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1841  Other / Off-topic / Re: [EDIT: NEVERMIND] First picture of BFL ASIC? on: September 24, 2012, 11:19:51 PM
Brushed Metal version  Wink


That's quite the black metal.  The cases will be made of wolframite, I assume?
1842  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 24, 2012, 11:15:54 PM
There is a chanse that this product will be the first available asic, giving a single entity the controll of 2,6 or more TH/s in the first wave shipping out is irresponsible in that case.

The hashing strength of the entire network now exceeds 20TH/s.  One entity controlling 2.6TH/s is of no great concern to me.  (should it be?)

Even if one entity got all 300 units, that's still only 18TH/s.   Not quite enough to make up 51% of the network hashing strength.
1843  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: X6500 Custom FPGA Miner on: September 24, 2012, 06:16:44 PM
Is it possible to hot swap these boards when using molex 4-pins to provide them with power?

I've been wanting to try this for a while, but there's very little need as I seem to have them running reliably for several days with little tending. Would still be useful to know that I can safely remove and re-attach individual boards without having to power down the whole PSU.

I've done this multiple times without any problems.

It's generally a bad idea to do this, but I'll admit I do it myself sometimes. The most likely outcome is that you'll burn out the fuse during the fast influx of current (the capacitors will be like a dead short for a moment). Better to turn the PSU off if it's at all possible, really.

Or you can do what I have done a few times, get the pins offset by one while trying to plug the connectors together with one hand, short one of the rails to ground, and trigger the safety shutoff on the PS.

I should have at least hit save first...
1844  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: September 24, 2012, 05:51:12 PM

Regarding employement for a bank, I'm a senior IT consultant / architect there. It is necessary to be an employee for maintaining your residency permit until you obtain nationality. The time I dedicate to our corporation has dramatically increased during the last 4 months, to about 7 hours during work days and a minimum of 25 hours during the weekend.


You seem to be saying that your position as CEO (or was it CTO?) of Butterfly Labs does not meet the US government's definition of employment.  Is this correct?

In France, it's best to be a French corporation employee. Anything other than that requires a lot of explanation and complicates your profile, especially as a foreign resident.


Ah, I had assumed this was in the US in Kansas City.  I guess I should have read the links a bit more thoroughly.
1845  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: September 24, 2012, 05:37:21 PM
Plug will be the same (5.0mm OD, 2.5mm ID), so it's possible to use the same plug.

Regards,
Nasser

Nasser,

Are you Nasser Ghoseiri, as reported in this interview?: http://codinginmysleep.com/interview-with-sonny-vleisides/
Is this you, a senior FPGA engineer?: http://fr.viadeo.com/en/profile/nasser.ghoseiri
Is this your Facebook page?: http://www.facebook.com/nasser.ghoseiri (this person "liked" BFL)
How can you be BFL Chief Technology Officer... http://news.yahoo.com/butterfly-labs-announces-next-generation-asic-lineup-054626776.html
...when you post on Facebook, this month, that you started working for a large european bank: http://www.facebook.com/nasser.ghoseiri/timeline/story?ut=32&wstart=1346482800&wend=1349074799&hash=10151430077673378&pagefilter=3&ustart=1
Did you recently resign, or significantly reduced your involvement with BFL?

I have no doubt BFL will continue to succeed and grow without you, but if the above is true, I think customers would like answers.

Regarding employement for a bank, I'm a senior IT consultant / architect there. It is necessary to be an employee for maintaining your residency permit until you obtain nationality. The time I dedicate to our corporation has dramatically increased during the last 4 months, to about 7 hours during work days and a minimum of 25 hours during the weekend.


You seem to be saying that your position as CEO (or was it CTO?) of Butterfly Labs does not meet the US government's definition of employment.  Is this correct?
1846  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs Pre-Sales Not Covered by Paypal? on: September 24, 2012, 05:03:26 PM
if you take the numbers from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.0 as a sample, you find that there are actually more single SC units being sold than jallys (also straight order numbers doesn't take into account multiple units per order). hash rate will be even higher...

of course there are lots of unfilled orders from 0-9000, so they don't actually have 9000 real orders..lots of failed orders are part of that number. I think BFL_engineer said they had something like 5k units on order or something like that last week.

I did some crunching on those numbers in that thread, to extrapolate and predict the revenue received based on the available data, and arrived at this:


Product                        Qty  Dollar value
Jalapenos:                     208  $30992
Singles:                       108  $140292
Single trade-ins:              118  $76641
Mini Rigs:                     6    $173400
Mini Rig trade-ins:            15   $216750
Documented total orders:       455  $638075
Value of average item ordered:      $1402.36263736264
Inferred total orders:         7029 $9857206.97802198


That does not adjust for orders that may be unpaid, refunded, duplicate, or otherwise invalid.  If you were to discount 20% of the orders, that would be about $7.88m received.

If you extrapolate a bit further (again not accounting for invalid orders) you can calculate:


Product                    Qty  Hashrate (GHps)
Inferred Jalapenos:        3213 11246
Inferred Singles:          3491 139653
Inferred Mini Rigs:        324  324415
Totals:                    7029 475314
1847  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL SC Die Guestimation/Speculation on: September 24, 2012, 04:51:56 PM

Full Custom huh.

Reading some on the different ASIC types here:
http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7042/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-custom-asic-made

They say that the pros of a Full Custom ASIC are the same as with a standard-cell ASIC, but more so.  A Full Custom can deliver even better performance, smaller die size, reduced power consumption, [presumably] lower cost per unit to manufacture, etc.

The cons are also the same as a standard-cell ASIC, but more so.  Design cost and effort required is even higher, and "Odds of screwing something up is much higher".

If BFL is indeed going for a Full Custom design before anyone has even done a [simpler] standard-cell design, I would call this a "shoot the moon" approach.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearts#Shooting_the_moon
1848  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 07:20:51 PM
Can you tell us what kind of shipping service will be used?  For $60 I certainly hope we would get DHL Express or something similarly fast.  Or should we ask Yifu this?
1849  Other / Off-topic / Re: TOWN HALL (prep) Meeting: Butterfly Labs on: September 23, 2012, 06:48:10 PM
They already got our money, not much we can do now but wait.

You can insure against a loss, or double down.

"Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013":
http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=701

 Cheesy
1850  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL SC Die Guestimation/Speculation on: September 23, 2012, 05:05:33 PM
Some general information on ASIC design and production:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application-specific_integrated_circuit

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7042/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-custom-asic-made
1851  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 04:44:20 PM
Since we seem to be discussing the fairness of all this, can you tell us how shipping them out will happen?

I would like to suggest that to be fair, the entire 300 unit batch should ship out at one time, rather than shipping some out ahead of others based on order number, order size, who emailed in advance, or some other criteria.
1852  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 06:49:28 AM
i was trying for over an hour guys! it is pure luck, no magic tricks here!
i got only one,
i hope every one gets only one in order to let other guys buy too Smiley

I just seemed to be busy before, now it looks broken.

i guess it is a dns issue! for some internet providers it worked, for others not!
i don't know what you can do about it!

echo "208.113.151.247 shop.avalon-asic.com" >> /etc/hosts

or edit %SystemRoot%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts if you happen to run that other OS.
1853  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 06:42:34 AM
Order #51.  :whew:  BTC is being transmitted now.

I had to manually put the IP into my /etc/hosts file.  I also tried with a couple different browsers.  The one seemed to "get stuck" from trying to load a page that wouldn't load or something.
1854  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 06:32:29 AM
i am #23  Grin

What URL are you guys seeing?

For me http://store.avalon-asic.com/ tries to load forever, and http://shop.avalon-asic.com/ shows a DNS error.

http://shop.avalon-asic.com/ works, showing 139 Avalons left.

What IP address does it resolve to for you?
1855  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 06:23:32 AM
i am #23  Grin

What URL are you guys seeing?

For me http://store.avalon-asic.com/ tries to load forever, and http://shop.avalon-asic.com/ shows a DNS error.
1856  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 06:13:19 AM
Is there any way to reserve a unit without paying attention to this thread for the next 24 hours? Please reserve one for me. This is my place holder. You ok with that?

Same, reserve 1 unit for me.  I also emailed yesterday to register my interest if that counts for anything.
1857  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order start. VERY important notice updated on: September 23, 2012, 06:05:07 AM
cant even get in to purchase =/

Same, won't load at all.  I sure want to purchase one, but cannot.
1858  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ["WAIT LIST"] BFL SC Order Dates / Ship Dates on: September 22, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
That's assuming all 7000+ orders have been paid for.

If you were to assume that 20% (a rather high percentage) of the orders were unpaid, refunds, etc, it would be ~$7.88 million received.
1859  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Re: Butterfly Labs CEO 25 Million USD Mail Fraud — A Concise Summary of Evidence on: September 22, 2012, 10:30:04 PM

...when I see a company that's taken millions of dollars in pre-orders for a product whilst providing incredibly little information on that product, and the CEO turns out to have a conviction for a 25 million dollar wire fraud that involved taking payment up front for products that weren't legit...


They do appear to have taken millions:



                               Qty  Dollar value
Inferred total orders:         7029 $9857206.97802198


Even if we assume that 20% of their orders were non-payers, refunded, test orders, etc, they still would have collected ~$7.88 million in pre-order money.

Given the sum involved, maybe we should give this idea some more thought:

Guys, i'm starting a fund to hire a private investigator in Kansas. Who wants to chime in? If you're serious, you can send PM my way.

I have a list of private investigators, but we can discuss who and how much we should pay.

FYI, private investigator can pull alot more personal records that we can ever be able to. Depend on the fee, even driving infractions can be seen.

I have dealt with a PI here locally b4, its a must have service "sometimes"

Had I invested in this thing, I might want to have someone keeping an eye on that investment.
1860  Economy / Marketplace / Re: ["WAIT LIST"] BFL SC Order Dates / Ship Dates on: September 22, 2012, 06:29:07 PM
Here's some code I whipped up to run some numbers on the data.  Sorry it's not pretty (perl sometimes isn't).

Quote

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use strict;

my $JALAPENO_PRICE = 149;
my $SINGLE_PRICE = 1299;
my $MINIRIG_PRICE = 28900;
my $SINGLE_TRADE_PRICE = ( $SINGLE_PRICE / 2 );
my $MINIRIG_TRADE_PRICE = ( $MINIRIG_PRICE / 2);

my ( $jalapeno_total, $single_total, $minirig_total, $single_trade_total, $minirig_trade_total );
my $lowest_order_number = 65535;
my $highest_order_number = 0;

while ( <> ) {
   s/-/0/g;
   my ( $date, $order_number, $trade_in, $jalapeno_qty, $single_qty, $minirig_qty ) = split ( /\s+/ );

   if ( $order_number > 0 ) {
      if ( $order_number < $lowest_order_number )  { $lowest_order_number  = $order_number; }
      if ( $order_number > $highest_order_number ) { $highest_order_number = $order_number; }
   }

   $jalapeno_total += $jalapeno_qty;
   if ( $trade_in =~ /y/i ) {
      $single_trade_total += $single_qty;
      $minirig_trade_total += $minirig_qty;
   } else {
      $single_total += $single_qty;
      $minirig_total += $minirig_qty;
   }
}

print "Product\t\t\t\tQty\tDollar value\n";
print "Jalapenos:\t\t\t$jalapeno_total\t\$" . ( $jalapeno_total * $JALAPENO_PRICE ) . "\n";
print "Singles:\t\t\t$single_total\t\$" . ( $single_total * $SINGLE_PRICE ) . "\n";
print "Single trade-ins:\t\t$single_trade_total\t\$" . ( $single_trade_total * $SINGLE_TRADE_PRICE ) . "\n";
print "Mini Rigs:\t\t\t$minirig_total\t\$" . ( $minirig_total * $MINIRIG_PRICE ) . "\n";
print "Mini Rig trade-ins:\t\t$minirig_trade_total\t\$" . ( $minirig_trade_total * $MINIRIG_TRADE_PRICE ) . "\n";

my $total_qty = ( $jalapeno_total + $single_total + $single_trade_total + $minirig_total + $minirig_trade_total );
my $total_value = ( ( $jalapeno_total * $JALAPENO_PRICE ) + ( $single_total * $SINGLE_PRICE ) + ( $single_trade_total * $SINGLE_TRADE_PRICE ) + ( $minirig_total * $MINIRIG_PRICE ) + ( $minirig_trade_total * $MINIRIG_TRADE_PRICE ) );
my $average_value = ( $total_value / $total_qty );

print "Documented total orders:\t$total_qty\t\$$total_value\n";
print "Value of average item ordered:\t\t\$$average_value\n";

my $inferred_total_qty = ( $highest_order_number - $lowest_order_number ) + 1;
my $inferred_total_value = ( $inferred_total_qty * $average_value );

print "Inferred total orders:\t\t$inferred_total_qty\t\$$inferred_total_value\n";

When I run it on the data today I get this output:



Product                        Qty  Dollar value
Jalapenos:                     208  $30992
Singles:                       108  $140292
Single trade-ins:              118  $76641
Mini Rigs:                     6    $173400
Mini Rig trade-ins:            15   $216750
Documented total orders:       455  $638075
Value of average item ordered:      $1402.36263736264
Inferred total orders:         7029 $9857206.97802198
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