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1082
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 03, 2013, 03:19:40 AM
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Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts or making these statements? I am making these statements of my own accord. BFL has not even suggested I make them, nor mentioned any bets to me other than Josh's seppuku thing. Way to dodge the question. So you never answered. Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts? |
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1083
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 03, 2013, 03:04:16 AM
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Are you being compensated by BFL in any way for your development efforts or making these statements? I am making these statements of my own accord. BFL has not even suggested I make them, nor mentioned any bets to me other than Josh's seppuku thing. Way to dodge the question. |
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1084
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 03, 2013, 02:30:36 AM
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I had quite a bit of coin riding on this bet, and I feel like Bets of Bitcoin is trying to cheat me out of what I won fair and square.
Aside from all of the other reasons, the pictures clearly were not posted before April. The bet outcome should be "true".
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1085
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 03, 2013, 02:17:44 AM
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Pictures were not posted until April. Bet outcome should be true.
Very disappointed to see this after BoB specially solicited feedback, and the feedback being pretty much overwhelmingly in support of the true outcome.
What, did it have to be unanimous? What was the point?
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1087
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 02, 2013, 10:44:19 PM
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technical details are usually used to take advantage over another person or group
Too true. For example: The insurance policies obtained in July 2001 for World Trade Center buildings 1 WTC, 2 WTC, 4 WTC and 5 WTC had a collective face amount of $3.55 billion. Following the September 11, 2001 attack, Silverstein sought to collect double the face amount (~$7.1 billion) on the basis that the two separate airplane strikes into two separate buildings constituted two occurrences within the meaning of the policies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein#Insurance_dispute</tangent> |
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1088
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Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 06/12 BFL SC small single
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on: April 02, 2013, 11:42:32 AM
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The thing I never see mentioned in these pre-order resale deals is: What happens if the product never ships?
IMO, the risk should absolutely be transferred to the buyer. They are buying the risk, as well as the reward, but people never seem to mention it.
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1090
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 05:16:38 PM
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No product was shipped
Agreed. Post was after 31st March
Agreed. No proof of actual hashing - or can a pool testify
Disagree. If you look closely at the photo, you can make out the eligius address: http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1CdcYVP4T4hjHwt353pEnGHrigeDLvuvZLLooks like 2 singles "paired up" - screen even says, two devices
Disagree. In the photo you can see that only 1 board is powered. Was by an employee
Debatable. Either of these being true, makes the bet false.
Agreed?
Disagree. Any of the above being true makes the bet statement "Butterfly Labs will not ship ASIC-based Bitforce SC products before April 2013" true. |
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1091
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 05:10:22 PM
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Also "The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate." Which product was your order for Luke? A Single or a Little Single? This is my Little Single. Is that what you had ordered? |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 04:58:36 PM
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For this statement to be false, both of the two following conditions must be met:
• Before April 1st 2013, at least one BFL customer with a bitcointalk.org forum account established prior to the bet's opening date shall post detailed and credible photos of the device on the forum, including photos of it operating, and report its hashrate. This customer cannot be a BFL employee.
• The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate.
It does sound like they met these requirements. Wow, what a slimy way to win a bet. Good thing I made my wagers on bitbet. Always read the fine print!!
For what it's worth, I agree that the bet is won, the screenshot was posted, and the date on the screenshot is 2013-03-31 so it was March, it was in Luke's possession The post happened on April 1, and the post date/time is what the bet terms specify. (Faking a timestamp on a photo is trivial BTW.) Also I don't believe it was in Luke's possession. In the photo it is clearly sitting on the same test bench as was shown in Josh's demo video, and the file metadata data shows the photo author as "Josh". Luke himself said that he "left it at BFL". |
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 04:07:34 PM
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For this bet to be won tho, there needs to be a shipping label and/or tracking number. There is Last night on IRC didn't you say: 02:44:30 a_meteorite: did you go to BFL HQ or was it shipped? assuming you can reveal that..
02:54:38 Luke-Jr: a_meteorite: I've physically touched it, but I've left it at BFL for the time being.
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 03:00:32 PM
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There is a difference between being an 'Employee' and a 'Contractor'
True, but he's not even a contractor. I would bet a bitcoin that BFL is not going to send him a 1099, nor are they required to. Surely he's receiving some form of compensation, be it dollars, BTC, or free hardware. Even just having his order bumped to the head of the queue holds substantial value (at the expense of the rest of the customers). |
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1096
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 02:57:52 PM
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Well Avalon delivered 1-3 prototype units, @more than their advertised power consumption, just so they could say they shipped before March 1st. Then used Batch#2 funds to produce their Batch#1 orders. On those grounds the BFL 'Yes' vote wins  Those were finished units installed in cases, which achieved their full advertised hashrate, and were actually delivered to customers. Luke's units are sitting naked on a bench at BFL, hashing at less than 50% their advertised speed. The pictures were also clearly posted after the deadline, so by the terms of the bet, the outcome would be "false". |
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1097
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Announcement - ASIC mining processor by Butterfly Labs
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on: April 01, 2013, 11:13:47 AM
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Picture was posted at 1:36 AM EST. 96 minutes too late. Reported hashrate is below 75% of the advertised hashrate, if Luke ordered a Big Single. Supposedly the pictured device has not, in fact, been shipped to Luke, and is actually still at BFL, with the picture having been taken by Josh. |
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1098
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: First BFL ASIC!
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on: April 01, 2013, 11:04:43 AM
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Unfortunately for this bet, Luke posted 36 minutes after April 1. 96 minutes after, by Eastern time, which is BoB time. Still 36 minutes after, Luke's time. Also "The device must achieve at least 75% of its advertised hashrate." Which product was your order for Luke? A Single or a Little Single? If it is indeed sitting in a Lab at BFL, I would consider it neither shipped nor delivered. Hell, it's not even finished. It's still naked. |
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1099
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Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Question for bitsyncom (Avalon)
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on: March 31, 2013, 10:23:34 PM
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Patience, young grasshopper. They are to begin shipping around April 15th.
If you no longer want to bear the risk, I'm sure you can find someone here on the forums who will buy your order, and will assume the risk of nondelivery.
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