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1641  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: power line (mains) noise (dirtly electricity) from Power Supplies HEALTH HAZARD on: October 24, 2012, 05:15:23 AM
You know what, here's a frog levitating in a 10 tesla magnetic field, surrounded by enough EM radiation to do whatever it is you claim EM waves do to people, and yet there he is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1vyB-O5i6E

the frog wanted me to tell you that we're not made out of metal and you should all shut up.

How about 10 gigateslas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetar#Magnetic_field

In fact our bodies do contain metals.  They even depend on their presence.
1642  Other / Off-topic / Re: BFL Requests Input on: October 24, 2012, 04:41:58 AM
At a 20 year anniversary party the husband gets asked "So dose it really seem like you've been married for 20 years?"

The husband thinks for a few seconds and replies "No, really it feels more like 20 minutes... of having my head held underwater!"

-1

Even reading it 3 times it wasn't funny even once.
1643  Economy / Securities / Re: GLBSE Payment Claims (Announce your payment here) on: October 24, 2012, 04:37:43 AM
This is handled so unprofessional it's unbelievable.  Undecided

Being unprofessional is almost an unwritten law for operating a Bitcoin business, it seems.

A sad state of affairs, to be sure.
1644  Other / Off-topic / Re: Inaba's request on: October 24, 2012, 04:22:21 AM
Some interesting information posted here. But still this is the hardware forum...

I'm just glad to see it put in its own special thread rather strewn through other threads that were really meant for other things.

Thanks for that, OP.
1645  Other / Off-topic / Re: [Announcement] Butterfly Labs on: October 24, 2012, 03:13:49 AM
He doesn't say the equipment is in place.  He says "we've got" which I take to mean "we have got" the equipment.  It could mean "we have procured", or "we have contracted".

That would be stretching the truth, but then, they've got plenty of experience in that.

I see what you did there.
1646  Other / Off-topic / Re: My order on: October 24, 2012, 03:06:43 AM
I have been reading both forums the Official BFL forum and this one and I have to this point and time still have no Idea on the time it takes to deliver these.

Actually, we have a daily blog from customer service that gives exactly these updates as product ships out the door.    

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blog.php

A glance at the blog shows that they are now shipping orders that were placed in September for the FPGA products.  These are the products were supposed to begin shipping around this time last year, and actually began shipping in March 2012 I believe.
1647  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 24, 2012, 02:14:44 AM
I can also attest that DHL is the fastest service I have seen for international shipping.  I have literally ordered from China on a Friday, and had the goods in my hands here in the US on Monday afternoon.  It's usually not quite that fast, but close to it.

Myself, I wouldn't mind seeing a USPS Express Mail option for us here in the states.  Though I'm sure managing all those shipping upgrades will be an equally large pain as the DHL upgrades.

+1 for USPS Express for shipping within the states. To be honest I don't trust DHL as much as I trust USPS to not damage things

Newegg offers DHL as thier "low budget" option & it sucks.DHL gets the package,plays with it for 3-4 days then dumps it off at USPS for home delivery.Its taken up to 7 working days to get what UPS/Fedx delivers in 3 days.Thats here in the USA though,so internationally it may be better.

Yeah, that's "DHL Smart Mail", which is their version of FedEx SmartPost and UPS Mail Innovations, and yes it sucks.

For fast international shipments though, DHL Express is the bees knees.  For fast domestic I prefer USPS Express if the package isn't too heavy.
1648  Other / Off-topic / Re: My order on: October 24, 2012, 12:41:52 AM
Here is a thread devoted to tracking the BFL ASIC orders:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89685.0

Another ASIC vendor said in his product thread that about 50% of the orders received are invalid in some way.  I would assume the proportion is about the same for BFL.

For myself, I only found out about these ASIC developments around mid-September, and considered myself to already have missed the boat on ordering from BFL.
1649  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 24, 2012, 12:36:44 AM
I can also attest that DHL is the fastest service I have seen for international shipping.  I have literally ordered from China on a Friday, and had the goods in my hands here in the US on Monday afternoon.  It's usually not quite that fast, but close to it.

Myself, I wouldn't mind seeing a USPS Express Mail option for us here in the states.  Though I'm sure managing all those shipping upgrades will be an equally large pain as the DHL upgrades.
1650  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 22, 2012, 06:36:17 PM
Edit: I'm also trying to bump up my order before the deadline, from a 27 to a 54.  Hope I can do it in time.

Been trying to do that for a couple weeks now. Guess the man is busy. Smiley

Yeah, if I can't get it by midnight I may have to just make a new order for the 54 and deal with having an "extra" 27.
1651  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 22, 2012, 06:20:01 PM
My card keeps getting declined from the BTCFPGA website. Is it because Tom is switching to the new site or is it something else?

I know my bank actually had a block on the entire all of new york because of the high number of fraud claims, they said they only release funds if the client calls first and has to give them the exact amount and the exact company that will be charging the card, and only lets that through.  After the charge it goes back to blocking all of new york again.

Geez.  FIA kept blocking newegg by default for me like that.  I got a different card, problem solved.

Edit: I'm also trying to bump up my order before the deadline, from a 27 to a 54.  Hope I can do it in time.
1652  Other / Off-topic / Re: ACTUAL Butterfly Labs PCB pics! on: October 21, 2012, 10:39:53 PM
Quote from: BFL_Josh
Henrietta the flying pig makes a cameo along with a Jalapeno, a Minirig SC card and a bare board (waiting on chips!).
Quote from: bobitza
The jala will be the board with no capacitors and just 1 chip; the little will be the board with 4 chips and the single will be the board with 8 chips?
Quote from: BFL_Josh
Yep, pretty much.

So do you suppose they intend to use that reflow oven to add the needed chips to those boards?
1653  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 20, 2012, 10:47:57 PM
I were still deciding which of the two ASIC units I should get myself. BFL or Tom's hardware.
Consider that if you order a bASIC today, your order will likely ship out with the first batch, whereas if you instead order the mentioned competing product, your order will likely have to wait in the queue a good while after shipping begins before being shipped out.

With the first batch of ASIC chips produced for Tom (a 1000 of them), not with the first batch of bASICs shipped.
Why? Let's see:

bASIC units will be assembled at the same plant that the ModMiner Quad's are, they will be produced in batches of 30-50 every 5-10 days and shipped out on first come first served basis

We must be getting close with confirmed orders numbering in the 1500's:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=117955.0;topicseen
i recall Tom telling me that roughly half of the order # represents real orders; so ~750.

Having 750 orders now, shipping in batches of 50 every 5 days (the optimistic assumption) - your order will likely ship 75 days after bASIC starts shipping.
Having 750 orders now, shipping in batches of 30 every 10 days (the pessimistic assumption) - your order will likely ship 250 days after bASIC starts shipping.
So, the answer for Bitcoin_Bing is: today placed order will likely ship 75-250 days after bASIC starts shipping.

If things has changed from 4th September, let Tom correct me.


When I originally announced the bASIC we were just testing a preliminary prototype and I really had no idea of the response we would get to it or how nicely the product itself would develop.

I was thinking of the volume I was currently handling with the ModMiner Quad - and based those very small and I admit very ignorant numbers on that. Basically I was not planning to expand my operation but considering the volume of sales we have been able to achieve - I am in the process of expanding my operation significantly.

Batches of 30-50 every 5-10 days is about the maximum I could handle by myself and that's why I quoted that. The assembly house that actually produces the boards can handle whatever quantity I need at whatever rate I need them made at, I could literally have 1000 ModMiner Quads made by them in 24 hours (it would not be cheap) but this demonstrates their capacity.  


However everything is changed now including changing some things about the design that make it much easier and faster to get out the door than the ModMiner Quad, and I am upgrading my operation quite a bit to handle the increased demand.

What has changed?

(a) The ModMiner quad goes through a lot of steps that take time
- The PCB boards are fabricated in one place in china
- The FPGA Chips are purchased from another place
- Everything is shipped to me and then
- Everything is shipped to the assembly house
- I purchase some final parts and have them shipped here
- Everything gets nearly assembled and shipped here
- I put them together and test them, package them up myself and ship them out myself
- All while trying to handle support issues, customer service and the logistics of the whole thing

So with the bASIC I decided to streamline a lot of these things, for one I have a very good relationship with the place that assembles the ModMinerQuad and they have taken over a lot more responsibility with this project:
- Their engineers are designing the final production board
- The PCB's will be fabricated by them
- The Boards will be assembled by them to completion


Then final boards will be shipped to me


And here is where I have made another change and upgraded my operation:

I have also leased a 2500 square foot office space / store front which I am in the process of moving into and will be hiring full time employees to help when the bASIC units ship out, their duties will include  opening up boxes from the assembly house - loading firmware - testing for 24 hours - boxing them back up and shipping them out to customers.
1654  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 20, 2012, 08:11:00 PM
we arent even close yet to chip / board availability limit (which btw is right around 1000 units) to be available to ship with the first batch.

The first "batch" is scheduled to begin shipping the first week after thanksgiving.

Approximately 650 bASIC units have been pre-ordered.
1655  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 20, 2012, 06:50:49 PM
I were still deciding which of the two ASIC units I should get myself. BFL or Tom's hardware.

Consider that if you order a bASIC today, your order will likely ship out with the first batch, whereas if you instead order the mentioned competing product, your order will likely have to wait in the queue a good while after shipping begins before being shipped out.
1656  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Building ASICs on: October 20, 2012, 02:03:36 AM
I found some open source SHA cores including SHA256. 

http://opencores.org/project,sha_core

They only mention a 180nm process.

I wonder if any ASIC miner products will include a copy of the LGPL.
1657  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 20, 2012, 01:14:59 AM
I can't believe BFL's numbers at all if they're not on a substantially more efficient process than 130nm.

Would they be believable on a 65nm process?
1658  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Building ASICs on: October 19, 2012, 11:05:52 PM
Do y'all reckon any of the mining ASICs currently in development use tri-gate transistors or memristors?

Are these technologies likely to already be fully exploited in existing SHA256 IP cores that the makers of standard-cell based ASICs are likely to have licensed for use in these mining ASICs?

Or if a Soft Core was licensed, are the synthesis tools likely to fully exploit these technologies?
1659  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 19, 2012, 10:55:32 PM
If I already have one order, will new orders I make be added to the end of the order/shipping queue or the same place as my first order?

This was answered earlier and it was yes. I am not sure if this has changed due to popularity.

Any chance you could quote it?  I can't find it.

(also a "yes" answer is ambiguous to the question given.)
1660  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: High Efficiency FPGA & ASIC Bitcoin Mining Devices https://BTCFPGA.com on: October 19, 2012, 10:25:16 PM
ASIC is not CPUs, it's not GPUs and it's not FPGAs.  It's the end of the line for mining technology for the foreseeable future.

This got me to thinking, aside from the obviously huge gains to be had from process shrink, do you suppose any of the current ASIC designs use memristor technology?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor

Maybe my understanding is insufficient, but is it not reasonable to think that more efficient circuits could be created with the availability of a "new" component type?

What about these "3D transistors"?  Are you guys using them?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigate_transistors#Tri-gate_transistors
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