#3 Giveaway / 0.5 Bitcoin Account : ndnhc Level : 3 Prediction : 16  |
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I dont get this game really, can you please explain this better? I check the how to play but still still dont understand. I see the first GTD 3 entries 1 paid? is this mean that the other 2 dont pay but have entry to the tournament or what?
Rephrasing it, 3 entries at the moment and 1 winner. (I had the confusion at first too. Paid means the number of people who will be paid the prize) |
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Ok, I might sound really newbish here because everyone is saying these terms interchangeably and I have no idea what they mean... what is "txid" and "salt"?
Txid is transaction id. In this case, the transaction id generated when you send Bitcoins to the address. Example: 29ff5c0a0fc850df4c89fe2157f26b31fb900a0e3770b8753b7520af2bfebd8e refer: https://blockchain.info/tx/29ff5c0a0fc850df4c89fe2157f26b31fb900a0e3770b8753b7520af2bfebd8eSalt is some random stuff. In cryptography, a salt is random data that is used as an additional input to a one-way function that hashes a password or passphrase. The primary function of salts is to defend against dictionary attacks versus a list of password hashes and against pre-computed rainbow table attacks. Example: qub4p92c48hcr0q4hqmwop SHA-256 is safe. (as long as you don't use an online tool that doesn't store it in their DB. Xorbin is fine, I think)
Knowing SHA-256 before is fine. But knowing the salt isn't.
Feedback noted, sir! Working with the dev to switch it to nonce of closing block as we speak! Appreciate your review ndnhc! Thanks  |
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You can pick the hash or nonce etc. of the block that concludes the particular tournament (Block 375,480 in the 0.15 tournament) as the salt. That way, no one would know what the salt is.  That actually sounds like a great idea! I am also having this thought, of publishing the salt right away and also the position and position (maybe score – but if an entry that scores too high may discourage further participation). I believe SHA-256 should be safe enough that it is not exploitable, even knowing the salt before hand it is not easy to generate a winning txid. SHA-256 is picked in many places for Bitcoin protocol for precisely this reason. Nah, publish the salt and people can exploit it. Right now, only you can (I don't think you were aware of it, or you will, but anyway). But if you can make it related to something of the block that will only be known in the future, then it becomes 100% provably fair. SHA-256 is safe. (as long as you don't use an online tool that doesn't store it in their DB. Xorbin is fine, I think) Knowing SHA-256 before is fine. But knowing the salt isn't. |
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You can pick the hash or nonce etc. of the block that concludes the particular tournament (Block 375,480 in the 0.15 tournament) as the salt. That way, no one would know what the salt is. |
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Looking at the probably fair system, I have one doubt, what prevents you from generating an exact txid to win the prize when many people bets? Because you can actually see the salt (it is in your server). Provably fair means that a casino can't take the win from the player or modify it, but here you can find a txid that merged with the salt gives you the victory. I don't know how could you find a way to fix this...
Thank you for reviewing our provably fair algorithm. Yes, our goal is to have a system that not even the house can exploit. The txid that we are using is txid from bitcoin blockchain itself. We even link directly to blockchain.info so it is not up to us to generate txid. In fact it is generated at players' wallets. Salt for each tournaments are predetermined even before we get our first entries. While our gut feeling tells that we can publish salt even before tournament concludes, just to be extra safe, we decides to instead publish sha256 hash of salt from start of tournament. When tournament concludes, actual salt will be revealed and that can be validated with the sha256 hash that has been published. As far as I can tell, I do not think we are able to exploit it even knowing the salt. Or perhaps, we should make it fair and just publish the salt right away as I don't think it is exploitable, right? Thanks once again for reviewing it. We would like to create a safe and trustworthy tournament environment for all. Eventually our goal is to allow even 3rd parties to organize tournaments on our platform. hmm, you are missing this: It is possible to know the txid before broadcasting it. So, the player can if he knows the salt generate a txid that makes him win the tournament. The question is, since you have the salt, what is the guarantee that you will not exploit it? |
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Lesson learnt. Never bet when you are already ahead. Dang! |
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I didn't mean 200% for someone who lost say 10 BTC. They would only get 2 BTC (200% or 2 whichever is lower) The most importand thing we want to do in future giveaways, is that everyone should have a chance of winning. Also the people that don't have alot of btc.
Cryptasm
Maybe my idea is not too bad for a contest, longest losing streak at 50%...90% chances of winning regardless of bet amount. Then +1 on this one ^^. |
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with 2 bits I've been able to reach about 30 bits with ease.
1500% with ease!  |
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If you have any cool ideas for another competition we could do, be sure to let us know  Most loss contest? How about 200% of the loss back?  Good idea ndnhc. First losser 200% back , second 150% and third 110%. Or risk-free bet if we lose you return us coins. My idea is longest losing streak at 95% chances to win or something similar. Ok so if they go down 400 btc to the site they have to pay 800btc. They can put a max on that. Biggest loss 1. 200% of the loss or 2 BTC whichever is higher lower and so on.  |
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I am in. How do I apply? |
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I'll make friends with him and help him if he needs anything. |
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Why do you risk money if you don't want to lose them? If you did lose, get over it, understand the mistake, and don't repeat. |
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So just because of one code box the whole Show Posts can be ruined? Sadly yes, check my latest posts, I justed edited the post above to demonstrate. Man! Yours got even weirder but at least I got to know the reason behind it. Thanks. P.S: Should I lock the thread now? Yeah, you may. Can confirm that two code boxes of the ore mine sig submission is causing the problem. Seen it in action many times now. |
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Thanks, mate. Was just checking my address and wondering where the 0.005 came from. Much appreciated. The Table of Contents is pretty good. I had no idea what to put for description that is why I only added the titles after every horizontal line. Cheers Have a nice day |
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This site is really unique and innovative. You copied everything, only background is different. You even copied a payout lines and sound effects. Animation of coin is very poor. Developed and maintained by LuckyBit Online Games Inc. @2015 LuckBit Yeah, really funny site. It even has the Bet Browser! Just a copy of http://luckyb.it/And about loading of above site then original lb loads on my pc fast even on my intel pentium 4! stop doing this ! Agreed with you luckyb.it is more faster and stable than copycat and that doesn't make sense to play on this shit because it load faster than, i would not take risk a penny at this clone site. Also there`s a risk of betting dont know when we bet max weather the coins come or not ! Of course. I don't assume anyone is going to send a couple of bitcoins to it, lol. |
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Is it just me having bugs with the site? When i clicked my country and instead of showing up the cities belong to what i have clicked ramdom cities showed up? Any the same issue?
And to those provably fair debates i think what the other guy wanted to say was weathbet outcomes based on the Natures condition which cannot be controlled by anyone the same with sports betting outcomes based on the players performance and no way a site can cheat.
Unlike to any other games like roulettes, dice, poker or any other that can be controlled provably fair should be implemented to prevent a cheat using the method you discussed.
Thats what I wanted to say, my concern is just that there was another site which had Provably fair written in its help page while it was not, turned out it did so to attract players. And I don't think this site is going to cheat in any way just may make it confusing that it is no way(except in definition as said by nhdnc) related to Provably fair which is a system implemented by casinos to make it "impossible"for the casino to cheat its users. Didn't expect a long discussion regarding this but this is how it ended up I dont really sure but maybe you both misunderstood each other. The first was Weathbet is not a casino provably fair policy is not necessary. The 2nd guy was talking about Casinos provably fair Policy. That is the real story. Yep. That is correct. He isn't wrong anywhere, nor am I. But OP doesn't have to change the terminology. That is all I mean. |
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Thanks for your help. I guess admin will read this post soon.
They will also read your mail, it just takes time. IIRC BadBear (one of the admins) said they do most of the mails over the weekend. When did you send the mail? I sent two mails on September 8th. But never receive answer from him. Did you use the same email that was in the profile of the account? |
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All done. Tips accepted. [center]
[size=5]a fork of of etherparty explorer 0.1.0:[/size]
[size=7][ABEE] [/size]
[size=5]
[color=green]A[/color]ltSheets [color=orange]B[/color]lock [color=blue]E[/color]xplorer [color=red]E[/color]xtension v0.2[color=white].2[/color]
- for Ethereum based coins -[/size]
[img width=503]https://i.imgur.com/Anzs1vI.png[/img]
Most important at the beginning: This is [i]not[/i] all my own work.
It is a fork of the new "[i]EthExplorer (In Progress)[/i]"
([url=http://etherparty.io/]etherparty[/url] / [url=https://github.com/etherparty/explorer]explorer[/url] [b]0.1.0[/b])
Then however much extended by AltSheets.
[size=5]Portable to your Ethereum based coin.
Make a crowd funding session in your thread.
Involve your devs. Then send me a fair offer.[/size]
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[font=trebuchet ms][size=12pt][color=blue][b][iurl=#a]Part 1: My work[/iurl] | [iurl=#b]Part 2: Pages existing in v0.1.0[/iurl] | [iurl=#c]Part 3: Work in progress[/iurl] | [iurl=#d][color=teal]You can get involved![/iurl][/b][/size][/font]
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What you see is what you get, study the images:
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[anchor=a][size=7]Part 1: My work[/size]
[size=6]Types of pages[/size]
[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/W4ij4X8.png[/img]
actually the most important message - to your community, and to coinmarketcap.
You will stay below [url=http://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/]rank 605[/url] until you report a /supply/ function.
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[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/gLi2tMU.png[/img]
Quizz: How many times has the "on which block are we?"
question been asked in all of bitcointalk?
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[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/CLfxc8S.png[/img]
No wonder we let our computers do the work if expressing the
[i]difficulty of last block's lottery[/i] needs such a large number.
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[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/YnO2LHc.png[/img]
Total number of coins rewarded for producing all that hot air since genesis.
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[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/W4ij4X8.png[/img]
All money there is.
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[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/ieETl0n.png[/img]
[quote]... if the total gas consumed in the block up until this point exceeds the GASLIMIT, return an error.[/quote]
[size=1](https://github.com/ethereum/wiki/wiki/White-Paper#blockchain-and-mining)[/size]
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[url=https://i.imgur.com/o9etr5r.png][img width=542]https://i.imgur.com/o9etr5r.png[/img][/url]
More information [i]than most of you might ever want to see.[/i]
Still ... this pic is [color=red]clickable[/color].
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[size=4](New?) Coefficient:[/size]
Have a long look at the center [b]0.6565[/b].
Might only be me - but I had never seen that representation before.
[size=1](You know about a table with many coins? --> I do a semiscientific analysis of this coefficient)[/size]
The "[b]Total difficulty[/b]" is the sum of all difficulties until that block.
The lower part queries the ethereum node about its version, and status.
[size=4]Footer:[/size]
[i]This[/i] footer is shown on all [i]new[/i] pages contributed by AltSheets.
The links are going to [url=http://altsheets.ddns.net/ABEE]/ABEE/[/url] and [url=http://altsheets.ddns.net/give/]/give/[/url].
And the very bottom footer on [i]all [/i]pages ... is the original one, and goes to [url=https://github.com/etherparty/explorer]fork me on github[/url].
v0.1.0 is under [url=https://github.com/etherparty/explorer/blob/master/LICENSE]MIT license[/url], while my 0.2.2 must first generate some money now.
What kind of [url=https://nxtforum.org/assetgraphs-py/assetgraphs-to-open-source-help-me-design-a-new-asset-for-this-project-please/msg191613/#msg191613]license[/url] is good for that?
[hr]
[anchor=b][size=7]Part 2:
Pages existing in v0.1.0[/size]
The following pages were ~ ready. I had to understand them all,
to learn how to port this to other Ethereum based-coins.
Then I made a few additions, but not many.
My main work here is the service for you - to port it.
[url=https://i.imgur.com/KyiRpKr.png][img width=501]https://i.imgur.com/KyiRpKr.png[/img][/url]
[size=1][color=red](pic is clickable)[/color][/size]
I added:
[b](previous) (next)[/b]
and
[b]Number of Transactions.[/b]
[color=red]NO:[/color] The transactions are NOT visible, nor clickable - yet.
[color=darkgreen]YES:[/color] Miner's [b]address[/b] (see below, part 3), and [b]block number[/b] are clickable.
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[url=https://i.imgur.com/JPLiIDH.png][img width=524]https://i.imgur.com/JPLiIDH.png[/img][/url]
[size=1][color=red](pic is clickable)[/color][/size]
Nothing added to the v0.1.0 original.
[hr]
[anchor=c][size=7]Part 3:
Work in progress[/size]
[img width=502]https://i.imgur.com/NWs7nDl.png[/img]
From what I forked had [url=https://github.com/etherparty/explorer/blob/master/app/views/addressInfos.html]no address information at all[/url].
As everything here (I am new to node.js) it took me long today,
to code the framework for this page - but now the beginning is done.
And you can see [i]your balance[/i] - anyone's balance actually. That's better than nothing.
To continue might be easy, or non-trivial. Of course possible - but more eth learning necessary.
I have not yet found an easy way to just ask web3.eth for the last 10 transactions of an account -->
[size=4]ERFC #0001[/size]
[b]ERFC =[color=brown]e[/color]thereum-[color=brown]r[/color]equest-[color=brown]f[/color]or-[color=brown]c[/color]ode *lol*[/b]
The Ethereum team could please build (for all of us) an easy
web3.eth.[url=https://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/The_Nxt_API#Get_Account_Transactions]Get_Account_Transactions(account)[/url] and
web3.eth.[url=https://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/The_Nxt_API#Get_Account_Transaction_Ids]Get_Account_Transaction_Ids(account)[/url]
(like in NXT or HZ).
But also: Might only be me. It sure exists, and I have simply not found out
about it yet. Only my first week with Ethereum, too busy with beautiful other projects
([url=https://nxtforum.org/assetgraphs-py/]AssetGraphs[/url] [url=http://jnxt.org/nxthacks]NxtHacks2015[/url],
[url=http://altsheets.ddns.net:8888]ChainCountDown[/url], [url=http://altsheets.ddns.net/shareholders.py/]Shareholders.py[/url],
[url=http://altsheets.ddns.net/assetparser.py/]AssetParser[/url], and B.E.E.f.A, and bamm.py, ...
and most of all: [url=http://altfolio.ddns.net]AltFolio[/url], my first and most ready one.
Buy my [url=http://altsheets.ddns.net/aasset]AAsset[/url] if you believe in one of the above.)
Superbusy guy - perhaps that makes it better understandable,
that I am offering you a ported block explorer [b]"as is"[/b],
exactly how shown in the pictures here.
Yet uncoded stuff is [i]not [/i]part of the ABEE offer - it might or might not happen.
But of course, for 15 dollars per hour, I can code [i]anything[/i] for you.
In my known perfectionism - precision, code comments, documentation.
[size=4]What's next? [/size]
Much is possible.
A full blockexplorer like the celebrity ones ... is not done in 2 days.
Not my scope even. I might have to discontinue to work on this - IF no coin buys it.
The original goal was mainly picture #1 at the very top, plus learning how to port it.
But then my enthusiasm got the better part of me - and this is what came out.
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[anchor=d][size=7]You [/size]
can get involved:
Help to refinance my immense amount of work to get here
(which will very probably never really pay off, no illusion) ...
... and allow me to extend it further ... by launching this in your
favorite ethclone thread. Do not expect coin devs to solve all
questions for you, and at once. Get active, get some people
together - and spontaneously [b]crowdfund (*)[/b] what you wish for:
[i]... blockexplorer ... blockexplorer ... blockexplorer ...[/i]
was the one repeated outcry when I skimmed through the EXP thread.
And here is where my ABEE comes in. [ABEE] is NOT a replacement
of a full-fledged block explorer - that can be added in week 3, and
needs deliberation, shopping around, comparing, etc. ...
However, while the devs are superbusy in the first days, my above
ABEE can already help you a lot. And later it can be useful as a
backup block explorer. No, it is [i]not [/i]answering [i]all [/i]questions,
I am not promising pink unicorns. Transparency honesty fairness trust!
It is [url=https://maxcdn.bootstrapcdn.com/bootstrap/3.3.5/css/bootstrap.css]CSSed[/url] - so your designer can go wild on it :-)
To secure me, I take 50% upfront. Me failing with porting it to your coin is
VERY improbable (~ 1% probability) - in that case, I'll give the money back!
[b]TL;DR:[/b] You get what I show above, not more. But ported to your coin NOW.
[i]Of course,[/i] for a reasonable time, you also get extensions that
I might or might not write. All conditioned on ... earning money
with this -I feel beautiful- piece of work.
If anything is ambiguous, please ask! Really welcoming your opinion on this.
[size=1](*) [b]crowdbounty:[/b]
(1) Mention it: "Let us buy a block explorer together."
(2) "I pledge _.__ BTC for a block explorer, who else?"
(3) repeat 1-2-1-2-1-2-1 ... :-) Needs a bit of holding the energy for it, but often works.
(4) Someone says "why not [i]also [/i]our coin?". Yes! [size=1](Now the devs might pledge some too)[/size]
(5) The most trusted person(s) become escrows, one BTC one CLONE.
(6) By now, you have found several options already. Vote, choose one.
(7) And hopefully, you make me an offer, too. For ABEE. Thanks!
[i]If deal happens, I share 5% each with the two people who had done (1) and (2) first.[/i]
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[center][size=4]How does all this sound?
Thanks a lot for your patience, and attention.
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[color=red]New:[/color] If you like this ... show it: [BTC] 1M4EaZVprZEmtrS3G78fMFy8yGVgdUJMXv
[size=1]You are not into bitcoin? Here are other options: [url=http://altsheets.ddns.net/give]altsheets.ddns.net/give[/url] - thanks![/size]
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Pro tip: Numbers won't work. |
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Is it just me having bugs with the site? When i clicked my country and instead of showing up the cities belong to what i have clicked ramdom cities showed up? Any the same issue?
And to those provably fair debates i think what the other guy wanted to say was weathbet outcomes based on the Natures condition which cannot be controlled by anyone the same with sports betting outcomes based on the players performance and no way a site can cheat.
Unlike to any other games like roulettes, dice, poker or any other that can be controlled provably fair should be implemented to prevent a cheat using the method you discussed.
Thats what I wanted to say, my concern is just that there was another site which had Provably fair written in its help page while it was not, turned out it did so to attract players. And I don't think this site is going to cheat in any way just may make it confusing that it is no way(except in definition as said by nhdnc) related to Provably fair which is a system implemented by casinos to make it "impossible"for the casino to cheat its users. Didn't expect a long discussion regarding this but this is how it ended up For a player, the term "provably fair" makes the difference between: 1. Weathbets does not provide a source for temperature, wind speed and atm presure data. It is possible to make a win lose, and the other way round. This is what is meant by not being provably fair. 2. Weathbets provide a source for the result of the bets. The source is independent and an official one. So the player can check whether the wind speed is correct or whatever and verify his bets. This is what is referred to as being provably fair. Provably fair is the most appropriate and generally understood term that describes it. The terminology used is quite fine, imo. |
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