I second this opinion (VS is unneccessary). there has to be a lengthy debate, why we need voting.
did I read somewhere it was connected with the asset exchange!?
I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ? I use the client without voting and you the client with voting. the richer branch will dictate the blockchain. That is my thought too. We have no disagreement at all. |
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For how much longer do we tolerate this ?!?!? I definitively moving out to forums.nxtcrypto.org - they have very nice slidebar. I'm sick of Graviton's puppet forum. Please don't call it official anymore. We already established that Nextcoin is not NXT official forum. On that premise, I think it is reasonable that you show some respects to the host when you enter his house. That's what I am going to do if it is my forum too. |
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But this thing about voting by action make a lot of sense. There is no actually voting system needed. At least for important things like alias trasfer. That's what I'm talking about! Anything can be solved without monsterous mechanism like that. Some big aliases's holders wanna power to sell theri aliases? No problem. They ask some dev to implement that. And community agree/disagree with result by their own actions. I see no problem, I'll install such feature. Someone see problem? Well, he start his own Nxt or manages to live without it or even start to find support to disagreement of such dangerous (in his eyes) feature. And market'll decide. I second this opinion. there has to be a lengthy debate, why we need voting. did I read somewhere it was connected with the asset exchange!? I disagree with this opinion. I think we need a voting system. Now how can we come to a consensus ? |
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Most people you see running the show are actually people who jumped in and started doing things they saw needed doing.
And I respect that Damelon but there is a disdain among contributors here that there should be any source of centralized information or decision-making, which I think gets to the heart of what ZerotheGreat is arguing. My perspective is that there is only one decision maker right now until the whole shebang is open sourced. That's BCNext. Following him, Jean-Luc and C-f-b support his overall plan through development of the "core" of NXT. Everyone else is just a motivated individual that has an interest in NXT and is willing to help in their areas of interest/expertise. There is plenty of opportunity for motivated and interested individuals to centralize information and coordinate projects outside of the "core". This is the realist's view. Until all the codes are open-sources, the whole thing belongs to BCNext who is not only anonymous and but also has not said a thing without a messenger since two months ago  . But I believe BCNext has a very strong view toward decentralization. That's I think where we are heading to. Just to add that: I was not there but I suspect that Bitcoin at the beginning would be kind of similar to where we are now. At first Bitcoin is basically just Satoshi's pet project until the he disappeared and the community took over |
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Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?
No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free. In the interest of time this is a terrible, terrible idea organizationally and strategically if NXT is to succeed in any sort of meaningful way. I disagree, but then Bitcoin and NXT would only attract to a certain type of people. For God's sake, we are not a a corporation. You could invest in Facebook if you want that sort of things. Thanks for the clarification. But NXT is a project, and like any other project known to man it needs cohesion and direction, and a clear source of authentic information that is easy to find for others who want to get involved. Enough with the elitist view on crypto. If it really is "so much more" than Bitcoin, why is it reserved for a select few? If you want a short answer the you can trust opticalcarrier and his statement earlier, NXT wiki and information in this thread (the first page as a summary). There is no elitist view here. You are very welcome to join the community and nothing can prevent you doing so. The approach is just the way NXT is designed to be. |
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We would need some PR and marketing on big, trusted sites like Yahoo Financials or Financial Times Online or whatever. There is a bounty for it. Does anyone know about someone having the power to do it? The last time, when the price hit it's highest we had some media coverage (and the alias feature added) which helped to get new Nxters on the boat.
Just please don't do it until major bugs are fixed and address checksums are implemented. Otherwise numerous reports of people losing money will be enough to bury Nxt forever  Agree. |
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but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is. Why certain specialist (and you meant "black box" mind)? Trusted transparent enough core, if someone start to act weird, community or split up or find/form/merge around another trusted core. It's wotking with any P2P-system. That is to your friend who you seem to be in an agreement with. What's your point? I see no scenarios, where P2P-system can grow without built-out center. It can be very big (in amount of people), but still very well bounded and divided from all users of system. And, yes, GVS doesn't solve this problem, after decision was made, someone'd do it, and, say, core dev (if there's still no NxtPolice) simply can go away with personal disagreement. So again: Why? Which problem can be solved with Global Voting, but can not be solved with actions of people? Give me your solution to my global voting issue earlier? Any feature similar to the voting system would benefit from a voting system. You don't know what kind of feature is going to be built upon the NXT protocol yet. |
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Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?
No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free. In the interest of time this is a terrible, terrible idea organizationally and strategically if NXT is to succeed in any sort of meaningful way. I disagree, but then Bitcoin and NXT would only attract to a certain type of people. For God's sake, we are not a a corporation. You could invest in Facebook if you want that sort of things. |
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but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is. Why certain specialist (and you meant "black box" mind)? Trusted transparent enough core, if someone start to act weird, community or split up or find/form/merge around another trusted core. It's wotking with any P2P-system. That is to your friend who you seem to be in an agreement with. |
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This is exactly the road leading to the cult of a great leader, totalitarianism and fascism but you don't even realize it. Discuss things without any harm — road to totalitarism? Well, IDK. Discussing is not but trusting and giving up all decisions to a certain specialist who decides everything certainly is. |
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Is there any type of leadership in this project that is going to say, X is the official forum. The most authentic information is here at X. Or are we just going to let people blindly navigate this "de-centralized" fairyland because "screw centralization"?
No official forum. You would have to decide for yourself: where do you like to be, who do you want to trust etc. It would be confusing at first, but when you take the red pill and stays in wonderland, you will finally be free. |
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By specialists, if you means developers like BCNext, CfB and Luc, then they already plan to add voting feature. Why don't you do what you wrote here ? Let them decide ?
Yes, that's how I think it should be. If specialists think it's for good then let's go for it. But we can help them to make a decision by discussing it. That's what we're doing right now. This is exactly the road leading to the cult of a great leader, totalitarianism and fascism but you don't even realize it. I am going to ignore you and your friend ZeroTheGreat for the time being. |
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I am not yet even sure what you, guys, are talking about  If it's what I think - a decentralized system, which would allow you to vote reliably on any subject - then it should be implemented simply because none exists. Or is it something else? We're talking about Global Voting. Some unclear built-in mechanism to make decisions based on amount of coins agreed to it. I see no real benefits, only risks. Hmm, to solve real problems it doesn't help. Coins =/= specialists. How to build strong system specialist'd decide, not masses, but if masses trust him, they'll use system. As simple as that. Life is your "global voting". By specialists, if you means developers like BCNext, CfB and Luc, then they already plan to add voting feature. Why don't you do what you wrote here ? Let them decide ? Think more about your position before pleading your case. Right now it is just indefensible. |
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Voting is to bring out consensus. Already brought. I'm missing the point. Each time any network exists = consensus of rules exists too. If it'll be lost, network'll disappear. No voting required, actions brings ut to consensus, nothing else. But global voting brings risks of centralization. Why it'd be implemented then? What problem can't be solved without it in your opinion? Let's apply your logic to the issue at hand: the voting system. You don't like it and I like it. Of course, you have supporters and and I also have supporters. So by your logic, developers should just implement the voting feature. If you and your supporters don't like it, just don't install it and don't vote. Isn't it that what you want ? Or because you are so superior than me and the developers should just listen to what you say and ignore my request ? At least if there is a voting system in place, you and your supporters can try to vote to disable that feature. That's what you should plan to do if you really want it, not by pleading to developers to ignore my request. |
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Voting by stake makes sense, as those with the most invested in NXT will want to see it succeed the most. Disagree strongly. Voting can't bring success just by itself. Actions can (like marketing or teaching of crypto). So it anyone want project to succeed, he'll act to make dream come true. Voting is to bring out consensus. Would be one feature that makes NXT a success. |
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I'm working on setting up a news site, purchased nxtnews.co and of course the alias..
setting up a host and getting wordpress installed. plan on an honest, unfiltered outlet for articles, charts, and trends.
if anyone had any suggestions or wants to contribute, please let me know
Hi i could contribute something like a blog hosted in the site |
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Well, I give up. 051 seems more bad than 050. All time getting minus in "Recent blocks", cannot download blockchain after deletion of .nxt files. Very disappointed  seems unstable compared to 0.5.0. not sure but I tried to register some aliases but could not do it reliably. |
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Just saw a block with 10000 fee passing by. Who is that generous to forgers?
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The issues all come down to Dgex, which is the only exchange for Nxt and the only source for coinmarketcap stats. The site is often unavailable (ddos attacks) and subject to manipulation, furthermore, they've implemented outrageous fees causing many to shy away from trading.
Which is why we should move some trading over to Peercover. Not all trading, but some of it, just to test the waters. There aren't any fees and you don't even have to deal with XRP save for the reserve which comes down to less than a dollar's worth. Don't know why people are still hesitant to moving over there. The reason i don't trade there because I don't like NXT-XRP exchange, trading for bitcoin via XRP giving me a headache. And you don' have a BTC-NXT order book. |
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these r the three questions for BCNext:
What are the most inportant 5 things the community should do, in order to properly support nxt in the next 6 months? 40 (20.6%)
why was the initial funding cancelled suddenly with few people? 22 (11.3%)
How would you solve problem with scam accusations according to "unfair" distribution Nxt to 73 big stakeholders? 20 (10.3%)
Pin
Pin, shanks for compiling this. It would be nice to know BCNext's opinions on these issues. |
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