Bitcoin Forum
May 22, 2024, 07:45:07 AM *
News: Latest Bitcoin Core release: 27.0 [Torrent]
 
  Home Help Search Login Register More  
  Show Posts
Pages: « 1 ... 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 [86] 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 »
1701  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin long-term exponential trend (updated regularly) on: February 03, 2015, 12:25:41 PM
Just discovered this thread, fantastic analysis.

Thought I might as well share my long term chart here too.



If the slope of the trendlines are still holding it looks like price might be at best bargain since 2010 before the first MtGox bubble! Thats only 'IF' trend holds. Interesting line to keep an eye on though. Looking forward to the next bull run!

1702  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should I switch from Bitstamp to something else? on: February 03, 2015, 12:05:59 PM
Reply to OP , yes you should switch to something else. Hold your own bitcoin on your own wallet in your own control, don't leave them on an exchange. Remember, MtGox ... Bitcoinica.. Mintpal .. I'm sure theres others too, all exchanges eventually disappear taking your coins with them. 
1703  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin went out of exponential trend into linear downtrend [TA inside] on: February 03, 2015, 11:19:11 AM

Congratulations, you win the price for the most arbitrary lines ever drawn in the history of bitcointalk.org!

"Fonzie" is that the name of a muppet ? Sounds quite appropriate.

Those lines aren't arbitrary btw, carefully plotted

Heres another version specially for you.



I'm not saying it will all be unicorns and rainbows I'm just observing the market and adjusting my analysis as required. We are still in a downtrend primarily, realistacally we have to break out of that first.



I get fed up with haters of technical analysis coming to the speculation forums.

Its a way of speculating!!!!!


 
1704  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are you ready for the ride of your life? on: February 02, 2015, 10:26:54 PM
From another thread, bitcoin looks historically cheap right now. Is the log trend still intact ?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=943674.msg10339900#msg10339900
1705  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin went out of exponential trend into linear downtrend [TA inside] on: February 02, 2015, 10:21:56 PM
Based on this chart bitcoin looks like it is historically cheap, only being on that same trendline in the very earliest trading back in 2010!

 Shocked



1706  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin went out of exponential trend into linear downtrend [TA inside] on: February 02, 2015, 09:50:29 PM
1707  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin went out of exponential trend into linear downtrend [TA inside] on: February 02, 2015, 09:46:28 PM
1708  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin went out of exponential trend into linear downtrend [TA inside] on: February 02, 2015, 09:38:46 PM

Longer version of the log trend that failed. This shows MtGox and BTC-E on same chart with log price scale

1709  Economy / Speculation / Re: There will be no lower price - now only UP on: January 14, 2015, 12:43:57 AM
Yes this was quite the crash, I am kinda new to Bitcoin I never thought about buying until now. I mainly just read stories about Bitcoin in the news, I can see it's getting more popular. Smiley  I don't think there is a better time to get involved then this week, I can see it shooting up within a couple of weeks. I signed up for an exchange and sent $1500 to buy a few coins. It looks like a great investment at these prices.

Don't try to catch a falling knife, theres no sign yet that the down trend is broken

1710  Economy / Speculation / Re: Before the day ends $200 on: January 14, 2015, 12:30:31 AM
How long until the day ends? still above $200 at end of uk day!
1711  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin's worst year on: January 09, 2015, 12:03:42 AM

RED TEXT!!!!


Still up more than 400% compare to last September. Wouldn't really call it the worst year.
Delusional idiot.

I CAN PERSONALLY GUARANTEE YOU BITCOIN WILL FALL TO BELOW $300, BECUSE YES I HAVE INSIDE INFO FROM WHALES.

YOU WILL IGNORE ME AND LOSE ALL YOUR MONEY.

NOT LIKE YOU DON'T DESERVE, IT FOR BEING SUCH A FOOL KID WHO DOES NOT LISTEN.


I am merely saying it was up 400% compare to last year.

Did I say I own any bitcoin?

Sevvero What other kinds of misfortune fill you with such disgust.  I'm quite curious about your loathing
1712  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 06, 2015, 01:06:17 AM
The USD desperately wants to appreciate.

The reason the USD lost so much value over the last century was due, not to base money printing, but to credit expansion, a.k.a debt issuance.

Debt is temporary. It's either repaid, or else defaulted. Either way of resolving debt shrinks the money supply as much as the original issuance expanded it.

As long as the population was growing, and as long as the middle class had positive savings, it was possible to expand credit. Now both conditions are no longer true.

Since it's no longer possible to continue credit expansion, the only way to stop the deflation caused by debt repayment and defaults is to print more base money (QE).

When QE stops, the USD resumes its natural appreciation.

I have to chime in on this one.  Tongue
When debt is created the interest to repay the debt is NOT also created, therefore the entire system is rigged to be a literal PONZI. It is a pyramid scheme in which the only way to repay interest is for more people to go into debt.  Repaying debt doesn't shrink the money supply as much as the original issuance expanded it because the interest added to the debt makes the total debt bigger than the issuance.
1713  Economy / Speculation / Re: sidechains discussion on: January 06, 2015, 01:01:11 AM
It has value because another individual, company or (possibly) government cannot prevent you from doing what you wish with your coins.  It has value because the majority cannot vote to redistribute your funds or attempt to paper-over economic problems by printing additional bitcoins.  In summary, it has value because it behaves less like a human invention/institution and more like a phenomenon of nature itself.  Just like there's nothing in the world we can do to stop gravity, we must also be unable to stop the ceaseless chaining of new blocks upon the Blockchain.

Sorry, I was not blessed with the necessary Faith.   Undecided

Put your feet on the ground again, please, and wake up.  We cannot create anything even remotely similar in robustness and permanence to a new law of physics.  The Bitcoin network is a minuscule hardware and software artifact, that survives only because a few thousand people are willing to keep it working.  If a few hundred (or maybe even a few dozen) of those persons changed their mind, the network would stop.  Or the protocol could be modified, e.g. to randomly toss coins around and make half of them negative, or whatever.

It may seem impossible to get those people to agree to that, because of incentives and bla bla.  But, physically, the energy required to change the neuronal state of a million bitcoiners, so that they start hating the thing, is maybe less than the charge of an AA battery.  And the wiring in their brains is such that one would not need some sci-fi mind-reprogramming zap gun, but only send the right signals through their eyes and ears.  I don't know how to do that, but it is absurd to claim that it will never happen.

The point, again, is that all human constructs are astronomically small and fragile; doubly so for virtual constructs; triply so for virtual constructs -- like bitcoin, the euro, or the US democracy -- that depend on a collection of humans behaving in some 'rational' way.  

Bitcoin in particular has already failed in its primary goal.  The network is still churning, and most bitcoiners still believe (or pretend to believe) that it has proven itself robust; yet it is anything but.

Bicoin, as stated by Satoshi, was designed to be a system for p2p transmission of money that does not require trusting a third-party authority.  But his solution, the Bitcoin protocol, does not do that.  The protocol still depends on trusting that the miners who retain a majority of the mining power are interested in preserving the network.

Satoshi apparently assumed that mining would be fairly spread out among the users, who would be well spread out over the world.  From that assumption, one is expected to conclude that any majoritarian subset of the miners would be so large that they would not collude, and could not be coerced, co-opted, or tricked into any particular behavior.  From that assumption, furthermore, one should conclude that there would be a majoritarian subset of the miners who would have a simple, greedy and rational behavior; meaning, that they would choose to play by the rules, if that choice maximized their expected revenue from block rewards and fees.

However, things did not turn out that way, and in retrospect it is perhaps obvious that they couldn't.   The total reward paid to the miners turned out to be large enough to make mining a very profitable activity, provided one could muster a significant fraction of the hashing power.  To maximize his profit, a miner had to increase his total hashing power and lower his operating and capital costs.  As we know, these facts led to the development of hashing ASICs. Economies of scale then made large miners mor eprofitable, and this advantage led to the extreme concentration of mining power that we see today.

The largest miner will usually grow the fastest, so in time it will have a majority of the hashing power all by itself.  The GHash.io pool briefly reached this state, but then it claimed to have voluntarily limited its growth to remove that very visible risk.  Even so, today the 4 largest know mining entities have ~54% of the total hashpower.

I don't know whether this size+technology race has been going on since the very beginning, or whether it started only after the price rose to a certain minimum level.  If Satoshi had chosen a different reward and fee schedule, or if bitcoin had never attracted the attention of speculators and hoarders, then the price today would probably be around 1 $ or less, the total mining reward would be only ~3600 $/day,  and perhaps the race would not have started yet.  However, if bitcoin (or any similar crypto-currency) were to gain widespread use, it would have to reward its miners well in order to ensure a robust network;  and then the size+technology race would occur anyway.

By now, everybody should be aware that an entity or cartel with the majority of the hashpower has absolute power over the network.  For starters, it can effectively disable the whole network and starve other miners, by selfish mining of empty blocks.  But then it can also use that capability to "convince" most users (including exchanges and payment processors) to accept changes in the protocol (such as extension of the reward schedule and/or increased fees). In the same way, it can convince most other miners to cooperate with the cartel.  These changes would probably include details that further consolidate the power of the cartel and gradually lock the users in, so that they will have to accept more radical changes.  (In general, any entity that can jam some process for a sufficient time can force the users of that process to accept anything that is not as bad as the jamming itself.)

Therefore, it is already a proved fact that the bitcoin protocol does not work. All users now have to trust a 3rd party authority, namely those 4 companies.  These miners must be trusted not to collude, and not be coerced, co-opted, or tricked into violating the network's "terms of service", such as inviolability of accounts, irreversibility, no-double-spending, etc..  That assumption could have been justified for a set of thousands of miners, but not for a set of 4.

It does not matter whether those 4 companies will form a cartel, or will abuse their power.  The mere possibility of them doing so already requires us to trust that they won't.  And it does not matter if they will always seek to gather the most bitcoins, or if they will have other external motives: in fact, the concentration of hashpower, the takeover of the network by a small majority, and the changes of the protocol are all predictable outocomes of the assumption that every agent will behave in a greedy and rational manner.

The price does not matter, too.  It may recover in the next few months, perhaps even go to a new all-time high.  But the only advantage that bitcoin was supposed to have over other payment systems -- not being controlled by a central authority -- is not there. Inevitably, it will lose is "market" to traditional systems; that are just as centralized as bitcoin, but much more efficient.  Even those who love bitcoin because of political idealism will abandon it -- precisely because it does not meet their ideals.

This is not my own view, of course.  This fact has been known for quite some time, and has been pointed out by many critics; and no one has provided a glimmer of hope that this flaw can be corrected.

Among bitcoiners, I still see a lot of denial, with people disputing the ability or willingness of a majoritary cartel to exercise their power, or assuming that a larger coalition of 'rebel' users can prevail over such cartel, or predicting that individual pool members would desert the cartel.

But in the last couple of months I have been seeing also many bitcoiners who seem to have internalized the fact, and are now scrambling to find a way to save their investment -- or at least convince the public, for a while longer, that they have found a solution and are working on it.

EDITS: Grammar and typos

Excellent commentary very thought provoking
1714  Economy / Speculation / Re: Time to buy holders! Cheap bitcoins! on: January 06, 2015, 12:55:26 AM
Also - how it feels to be fool bagholder?

You were told to sell, you didn't listen.

Now everyone, family, friends, colleagues think you are Tommy the fool for buying magic beans.

Your life is ruined, because you didn't listen to professionals and were ignorant sheep who wanted to get rich quick.

How does it feel to lose your precious money?

How does it feel to be dumb?

That is top quality. Thanks for your viewpoint.
1715  Economy / Speculation / Re: Central Banks in the Bitcoin Markets? on: January 04, 2015, 07:12:26 PM
No proof either I'd be amazed if they aren't manipulating bitcoin price at strategic moments. I think the timing of attacks on silk road and other dark web markets is also strategic and part of it..
1716  Economy / Speculation / Bounce from here on: January 03, 2015, 09:12:39 PM
Trendline reached



With price falling sharply bitcoin price has reached a trendline which goes back a long way on log scale. For bullish scenario you want to see rebound off that line from hereabouts. Be wary of conceeding support as broken too soon though, small spike below that line would not be surprise. I reckon a run back up to top the channel could be on the cards. What you think ?  Shocked
1717  Economy / Speculation / Re: January approaching. Bull run about to begin? on: December 30, 2014, 10:10:11 AM
Maybe this ?

1718  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price in 2015? on: December 19, 2014, 09:48:31 AM
Bitcoin might easily surpass $5000 !!!!


 Shocked  Shocked  Shocked



1719  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sell! Sell! Sell! on: December 17, 2014, 08:37:07 PM
Bigger bubble or fall through support. Looks like solid support at $15
1720  Economy / Speculation / Re: Sell! Sell! Sell! on: December 17, 2014, 06:53:16 PM


maybe its nearly time ?

FTFY.
If you like drawing lines, at least be accurate.  Support has been broken Sad


Thats debatable, your line slopes too high. Anyway on such huge range in price scale there bound to be large margin of error, I wouldn't yet say support is broken. Not saying it won't be but isn't definate yet.

Here.



  Shocked That failed line is interesting but is a totally different trendline !

edit:



Pink dashed line is the line that failed, the one you showed from Bitcoin Wisdom. I think pink solid line still might provide support and launch next bigger bubble.
Pages: « 1 ... 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 [86] 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 »
Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.19 | SMF © 2006-2009, Simple Machines Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!