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1301  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold,Silver,Bitcoin? on: January 04, 2016, 09:59:18 AM
Heres where I show my gold/silver bug tendancies. I agree spot price of gold and silver is suppressed as much as possible, largely by paper derivatives but sometimes they actually need to provide physical to keep paper connected to the real asset. In last few years GLD has almost been drained of physical bullion also Comex is very low too now. Another way to get physical is to invade a country  eg Ukraine lost its gold recently, as did Libya. For me the big giveaway is the very obvious huge selling whenever some kind of normally gold positive event has happened in last few years which is manipulation of expectations, MOPE. The pumping of the stock markets is also connected, as is coverage in the media.

Central banks and other powerful entities hold a lot of gold but not silver. Gold is their game.

In many countries eg UK you have to pay VAT or some kind of tax on silver  but not gold. Its almost like they try to stop people investing in silver bullion  Angry

As others have said Gold versus Silver ratio says that silver is at much better bargain price then gold though.

My personal opinion is to be mostly in bitcoin at the moment because I think bitcoin has likelyhood of huge gains if another speculative bubble forms, then try to exchange for physical precious metal near top of next bubble. (Later when speculative bubble has deflated exchange some back to bitcoin)
1302  Economy / Speculation / Re: Halving already 100% priced in! Would you buy or sell now? on: January 04, 2016, 09:34:31 AM
remember that the current price is already good for the halving, but this is for now

there are still 7 months before the halving, which mean that plenty of thing will change, but if everything will remain the same by the time that the halving come, diff included

then yes there is no reason for the price to grow to accomodate the halving

Maybe its priced in for the smart money who already knows about the halving but not for the speculators who hear about it late and jump in when price is already moving up? It then creates a snowball rolling getting bigger where more people jump on at the end just because they see huge gains, this is the bubble forming.
1303  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2016 crash has begun! on: January 03, 2016, 06:13:55 PM
Fasten your seat belts. This crash is going to be interesting.  Make sure you have nothing invested that you can't lose.
TA shows this could be a new low.

What TA ? Come on share the analysis if you going to shout about it

I don't typically agree with kwukduck, but as far as TA, we just crossed below the MACD line.  That would indicate we're about to drop.  I don't think it's quite as much of a 'crash' as kwukduck claims, but I would say we may see $407-$412 within the next 24-48hrs.  It seems like it's actually stabilizing at this price, so I'm not sure if it will dip again but if it does, I'm guessing that's the bottom.  

Kwickduck take note, see this analysis (although a chart would also be nice)

for what its worth I agree with this picture, in my view price will probably not drop below $400
1304  Economy / Speculation / Re: Halving already 100% priced in! Would you buy or sell now? on: January 03, 2016, 05:56:53 PM
I get puzzled by numerous comments I have seen here and on other threads stating that nothing happened on the last halving!!!! My memory was that bitcoin went wildly bullish during the last halving. In order to remind myself which version is right and satisfy my curiosity I decided to look it up.

The last halving was on 28th Nov 2012 when block reward halved from 50 btc to 25 btc
http://www.prlog.org/12032578-bitcoin-community-celebrates-halving-day.html

I've marked that event on this chart with this orange vertical line


edit: Improved chart

OK it didnt go boom and do a price doubling on that exact day but really look at the price how it was rising to unfathomable new highs just afterwards.

This looks like a massive speculative bubble followed by correction and only eventually after a long time true price starting to be known.

I think next halving is not priced in but again most likely there will be a huge speculative bubble.

Litecoin was similar recently except the speculative bubble was sooner.

My conclusion is that we are likely on the cusp of another huge speculative bubble. Only much later after bubble has deflated will new bitcoin supply be truely priced in.
 
1305  Economy / Speculation / Re: $400 will not survive the weekend on: January 03, 2016, 05:03:25 PM
No wonder the banks keep needing bailed out if this is the quality of their analysis. Haha except this user has nothing to do with ING bank, NOTHING  Angry
1306  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2016 crash has begun! on: January 03, 2016, 04:59:41 PM
Fasten your seat belts. This crash is going to be interesting.  Make sure you have nothing invested that you can't lose.
TA shows this could be a new low.

What TA ? Come on share the analysis if you going to shout about it


1307  Economy / Speculation / Re: $400 will not survive the weekend on: January 02, 2016, 06:42:28 PM
There is no analysis. Wheres the charts? Wheres the data? Wheres the argument? Just like last thread from ING Bank  Roll Eyes This has NOTHING
1308  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: January 01, 2016, 09:47:18 PM

Actually I just changed my mind. I do not intend to punch holes just into the copernican system. I want to put the whole system under pressure so that it would either break or persist. If there are any weak points in our current understanding of the cosmos then I would love to keep punching those weak points until they are no longer weak points or the whole thing falls apart. Copernican system has its flaws.


IMO The weak points to attack are this, Gravity and  Dark Matter

(I cant go with you that we are living inside a hollow earth though. eg Why do i see the horizon when i look into the distance?, if it was concave I should see more earth fading up into the sky shouldnt I? )
1309  Economy / Speculation / Re: Halving already 100% priced in! Would you buy or sell now? on: January 01, 2016, 09:38:25 PM
Time to accumulate was the past several months when bitcoin was below $300, this is the time to HODL

edit :

or accumulate then HODL if you were too late or afraid to get the bargain prices for most of last year

I disagree halving has been priced already. I think price was too low after last bubble collapse, ability to short bitcoin helped push it even lower still, and then fears over blocksize and fork also put a lid on it. Rises we are seeing now are nothing yet.
1310  Economy / Speculation / Re: rpietila Wall Observer - the Quality TA Thread ;) on: January 01, 2016, 09:30:21 PM
Some great discussion here, enjoyed looking at the concave earth idea in particular. Sometimes its great to dive in and test what you know or think you know. I love hearing a new theory the crazier sounding the better. Sometimes they cant easily be discounted.

In terms of planet formation I think the mainstream view that they form out of an accretion disk sounds lovely but is not really proven despite the widespread acceptance of the idea. As I understand it there are problems like where did all the angular momentum come from if it started as a cloud collapsing in on itself ?

Best alternative views in my opinion come from the Electric Universe, see here http://www.thunderbolts.info/wp/  

I think some of the out-the-box thinkers in here might like some of the ideas discussed in the Electric Universe.

Unfortunatley most of what they talk about does sound crazy at first which I think is main reason they are not taken much more seriously as they deserve to be. Eg, the sun is powered by galactic electric currents not internal nuclear fusion. Red shift is intrisic, not a function of distance. Maybe most crazy of all the earth was a satellite of Saturn only a few thousands of years ago and in memory of humans. There is serious evidence to back up these ideas though.
1311  Economy / Speculation / Re: $400 will not survive the weekend on: December 31, 2015, 06:43:04 PM
The price is barely floating above $400. But for how long? The latest analysis suggests the breakdown to be happening soon.

Why is your username ING Bank?

Bump I am actually interested in the choice of username. Are you claiming to represent a bank?
1312  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Primed on: December 31, 2015, 06:39:52 PM
On my opening post I showed a rough projection of future price using some arrows in which I included a kind of fake dead cat bounce. I think this is what this is we see now. Or put another way Bear trap. Price may drop further but not enough to satisfy bears and soon enough bull impulse will win. I doubt it will get far below $400. II could be wrong of course but my own money is where my mouth is and bitcoins I accumulated below $300 are not in danger now.

Meanwhile halving is drawing ever closer.
1313  Economy / Speculation / Re: $400 will not survive the weekend on: December 31, 2015, 10:38:04 AM
The price is barely floating above $400. But for how long? The latest analysis suggests the breakdown to be happening soon.

Why is your username ING Bank?
1314  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't get your asses handed to you BTC n00bs! This is a Bear. on: December 30, 2015, 03:53:26 PM

Check out the volume on that chart!
1315  Economy / Speculation / Re: Another 10% Cut Incoming on: December 28, 2015, 01:23:39 PM

There is good support at 400, price may drop further but I also expect price to stay above 400


 
1316  Economy / Speculation / Re: Beginning of the trend reversal on: December 28, 2015, 09:26:41 AM

Good luck with your trading Matt
1317  Economy / Speculation / Re: Quitting trading and doing btc info blackout again. on: December 27, 2015, 10:02:40 PM
I kind of wish I could tune out of checking the price too but cant resist looking at the price each day. I dont try to trade that volitility though. Buy low and hodl seems to work for me. Anyway hopefully you will be happy with the price when you check back in.
1318  Economy / Speculation / Re: Beginning of the trend reversal on: December 27, 2015, 09:42:01 PM
Another waste of time thread. OK trend reversing. On what evidence. OP has nothing. NOTHING  Angry

Evidence is the price. Maybe now you can see this for yourself? It all started at December 20th. Not everyone is fast to catch on.

I dont see much evidence of trend reversal. The price is $420 when only a couple of months ago it was half of that!

Why is your username ING bank ?

And when ING Bank started this thread, BTC was $460. From the top to present, BTC is down more than 10%. Whether you call that proof that he was right regarding 'trend reversal' or not depends on your time frame. I agree, that on a primary time frame, that Bitcoin is a bull, but Bitcoin could hit $300, and still be considered in a primary bull move. Fuck being on the wrong side of a $470 - $400 move (which we have already seen) and fuck being on the wrong end of a move down to $300. I don't know if BTC will correct that far down, but the $350-$370 area, is looking very likely.

btw...I doubt you are going to 'win friends and influence people' in the Bitcoin trading community with your 'Fork Analysis'.

Mate this is bitcoin get used to it. If you can't handle the volitility go and trade forex or something.
1319  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't get your asses handed to you BTC n00bs! This is a Bear. on: December 27, 2015, 08:37:38 PM

Bull fork still in play. I grant you price may fall a bit further in short term but the trend is still up my friend.

1320  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't get your asses handed to you BTC n00bs! This is a Bear. on: December 27, 2015, 08:35:20 PM
Matt matt matt I keep telling you sooner you turn bullish more you will profit

This short term bear phase will be short lived, I'm thinking bear trap
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