Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[eon89]

An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.

Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?

You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?

Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?

Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred  

"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?

Exactly, it is as realistic to believe that so why don't you deny his existence to be saved from heaven, where you will be tortured by god forever.

"how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?"

If I kill my self and say I do it to give you change to deny his existence and escape from his eternal torturing, then you will blindly believe me?
Or would you just think I am suicidal carzy person? Maybe if I write good book about it?

Oh! I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to explain I can't prove that the Bible is right and that Jesus is the son of god and all that no?

Well don't waste your time, of course I can't xD

Again it's only a question of faith, and that's why atheists have every right to be so. If you don't have faith then you might consider all of this is just crazy shit. But if you have had the chance to find the Lord, then you KNOW that it's right ^^

But i'm not judging you or trying to convince you. i wouldn't even try to prove God exists, that would be ridiculous. If there was such a proof, there would be no faith.

And that should be proof enough that religion is flawed and not true.
They only ask us to have faith. Because if they had proof faith would have been obsolete.

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[Holdaaja]

I hope one day you will have faith to deny gods existence so you will be saved from his internal torture.
Right now he is deep in your head preparing you to become his slave, maybe one day you will have faith to be saved from him.
I wouldn't even try to prove that, it would be ridiculous, because you gotta have some faith man!

[eon89]

We live in the real world, not in a fantasy one. Science is real, and can be touched. No one's ever seen God, but I see science making this world better everyday. As it has been told here countless times (BadDecker please don't try to count), it's just common sense.

[valta4065]

An important thing to remember is that the Bible is a collection of books, written by different people in different times addressing different needs of that time period.
I, personally think that if you are and want to be a good person, then you choose the good parts and leave the ones that are not good, or not useful for our modern age aside.

Why can you believe some parts of bible but not all?
How can you possibly know what in bible is true and what not?

You can't. You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us. And only way to escape from his evil is to deny his existence. Why not?

Again this is easy.
We know how the Bible was written. Parts of the Bible gives the world directly from the mouth of Jesus, how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?

Any part of the Bible in contradiction with His son is wrong and shouldn't be considered as sacred  

"You could as well believe that god created us because he is sadist who enjoys to kill and torture us."
Maybe. Why not?

Exactly, it is as realistic to believe that so why don't you deny his existence to be saved from heaven, where you will be tortured by god forever.

"how could the son of God who lived and died for us be wrong?"

If I kill my self and say I do it to give you change to deny his existence and escape from his eternal torturing, then you will blindly believe me?
Or would you just think I am suicidal carzy person? Maybe if I write good book about it?

Oh! I see what you're trying to do. You're trying to explain I can't prove that the Bible is right and that Jesus is the son of god and all that no?

Well don't waste your time, of course I can't xD

Again it's only a question of faith, and that's why atheists have every right to be so. If you don't have faith then you might consider all of this is just crazy shit. But if you have had the chance to find the Lord, then you KNOW that it's right ^^

But i'm not judging you or trying to convince you. i wouldn't even try to prove God exists, that would be ridiculous. If there was such a proof, there would be no faith.

And that should be proof enough that religion is flawed and not true.
They only ask us to have faith. Because if they had proof faith would have been obsolete.

Well believing is all about faith. And I don't see how it can be bad to have faith ^^

I hope one day you will have faith to deny gods existence so you will be saved from his internal torture.
Right now he is deep in your head preparing you to become his slave, maybe one day you will have faith to be saved from him.
I wouldn't even try to prove that, it would be ridiculous, because you gotta have some faith man!

But... I feel no torture! I'm happy to have faith in the Lord, why would I wish to stop having faith? It doesn't hurt me or anyone, on the contrary it helps me to live a better life! Why would I want to get rid of my faith?

We live in the real world, not in a fantasy one. Science is real, and can be touched. No one's ever seen God, but I see science making this world better everyday. As it has been told here countless times (BadDecker please don't try to count), it's just common sense.

And again science and religion are not opposed, they complete each other. Religion is the answer to what science can't and will never be able to explain

[eon89]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

[valta4065]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! 

[flagpara]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! 

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

[eon89]

Hello fellow scientist! I don't think science and "never" can coexist together.
In time science will explain everything. I wonder when religious nuts will give up their misleading notions and accept reality.

[eon89]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! 

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's  say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

[BADecker]

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And suddenly there appears elgeo, another joker who can barely think, but learned how to type very well.

 

[BADecker]

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And elgeo, again, still unable to think, but up to copy and paste rather than typing.

 

[Holdaaja]

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And suddenly there appears elgeo, another joker who can barely think, but learned how to type very well.

 

But why think when we can believe?
Isn't that what you are all about?

[BADecker]

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible. 

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Since science theory is not yet proven, if one believes it to be true, he does so on faith.

[eon89]

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And elgeo, again, still unable to think, but up to copy and paste rather than typing.

 

Well at least I can type properly. Don't Know about the copy paste though. Well I guess I'll just have to have faith that you're telling the truth.
You know what? Faith doesn't give me that much support. Sorry.

[valta4065]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! 

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's  say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so 

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

[eon89]

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible. 

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Since science theory is not yet proven, if one believes it to be true, he does so on faith.

I'm sorry but science only deals with facts. Now if you hear one thing but understand another then that's only your problem.
And it's ok. It really is. Believe what you want. Maybe what you shouldn't be doing is call people names? Alrighty then.

[eon89]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! 

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's  say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so 

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

[BADecker]

Another ad-hominem attack. Do you have a wider set of logical fallacies that you prefer, or do you just stick with special pleading and ad-hominem attacks?

Obviously, you are not very interested. If you were, you would go out and do your own investigating.

Then please don't post information you don't understand and for which you cannot provide proof.

The fun and interesting part about this thread is conversation and discussion, but you just want to monolog.

First, I haven't done any ad-hominem regarding you. You have done them to yourself by expressing that you are ignorant when you are not. I am simply repeating them a little more directly. So, I am not attacking. I am simply pointing out your own self-attacks.

Why do you post information that tears down understanding and knowledge? As I have said, I say again.
Science proves the existence of God.
Science proves the non-existence of fundamental evolution.
Science is mixed with fiction which is called theory in science.

All you need to do is investigate these, and you will see that they are the truth.

Of course, why should I be surprised that there are people ho are spreading lies like you are? Such people have been around almost from the beginning.

[BADecker]

Call me mad but I believe there is a god around us. I just don't think the evolution is questionable, why can't we have both? Lots of scientists were also very religious people.

Faith and science are not incompatible. 

They're different domains. Of course you can have faith and be a scientist, but trying to use one to prove the other is like trying to use maths to prove art -- it completely misses the point.

Very true. Yes, they are related to each other in some ways, but they are two different things. It would be unfair to identify one another by the context of the other.

Since science theory is not yet proven, if one believes it to be true, he does so on faith.

I'm sorry but science only deals with facts. Now if you hear one thing but understand another then that's only your problem.
And it's ok. It really is. Believe what you want. Maybe what you shouldn't be doing is call people names? Alrighty then.

Science theory is not fact, even though that it exists as theory is fact. If it were fact, it would be called fact, not theory.

[valta4065]

Until science discovers and proves that nothing is magical. Just because it wasn't explained until now it doesn't mean it's magic. It just means that at the moment we don't understand it.
Imagine showing our world to a person that lived 100 years ago. He'd be dizzy in a moment and maybe couldn't understand or adapt his whole entire life.
Just as a exercise for your mind: think about yourself being born in 1901, and slowly get closer to our times: how many wonderful are really incredible discoveries have been made? It's astonishing!
Thank you science - you rule!

Never said the contrary. But science can't explain the creation of the world.
Why? Well just simply because in science 0+0 is always 0. If we manage one day to explain the creation of the world "scientifically" it will be by a new way to consider the world which will be as different from current science as from religion.

And again science and religion are not opposed! I see no reason to give up one or another. I'm an engineer and I still have the faith! I know by heart the Maxwell's equations but that also makes me even more aware of what science has still not explained and might never explain! 

Science is sometimes very disruptive. You claim you're an engineer then you probably know that the quantum revolution created a new part of science that couldn't have been even imagined before. If we discover dark matter for example maybe it'll lead us to something totally incredible that might even explain the universe!

And that's a complex explanation. I only tried to stay simple with people from let's  say a century ago imagining a plane.
Faith is good, and people can believe whatever they want, just don't try co convince people that have evidence, to believe things of which you only have a book written by a bunch o guys to stand your words on.

I never tried to do so 

Even, I tried to explain why I think faith is good but why atheists shouldn't be condemned for not having faith, so you can't say i'm trying to convince you ^^

Finally a reasonable man. You keep you faith. We'll gonna keep science. Hope it'll be well in the end for all of us. Just stop trying to force your religion on us. Yeah BADecker - I'm talking to you.

Hmm... No i'll also take science ^^

As I said I think you can have both, science and faith, I don't see why I shouldn't understand how the universe works to be able to have the faith to believe in God! You can have both