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June 05, 2016, 09:12:27 PM |
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I forked twice since my last comment and it's clearly not just me.
getblockhash 458553
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Some oddities were observed 14 hours ago, difficulty abruptly jumping from 2 to 12 and then back down, before any forks were reported to be found. This does make me suspect the forks may have been from malicious attempts to attack the EverGreenCoin network. However they may have been caused, I apologize. This block hash you mentioned does concur with all the seednodes and the block explorer. EDIT: Perhaps the many Windows wallets running the v1.1.2 code because the upgrade to v1.2.1 had yet to be made available formed a consensus and pulled other nodes into an incorrect fork. Still seeing some v1.0.0 wallets in my peers list as well which may be causing some issues... 50.33.142.137 66.176.24.142 209.188.18.52 144.76.236.8 Haven't forked again here since the initial fork and compiling the new wallet and re-syncing... |
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bathrobehero
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June 05, 2016, 10:04:58 PM
Last edit: June 05, 2016, 10:15:13 PM by bathrobehero |
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Aaaaand I have forked again...
These things doesn't just happen to all coins, far from it.
And it wasn't caused by a new wallet, it's just happened all of a sudden.
Either the coin can't handle forks for some reason (checkpoints are useless in this case) or the coin is being attacked in some way. If that is the case I'm 90% sure it's because of proof of stake.
I love this coin and own a bunch of it but this is getting kind of ridiculous. I think if the dev can't fix it we might need to fund getting outside help.
Edit: I have two wallets running on two different PCs with different IPs, one for staking and one for solomining. Now both of them forked off - or at least it seems this way because none of them want to sync.
Edit2: None of them forked (I hope, getblockhash 459170 - 00000000b7962f650d5a4d58921c4cf71bdcdd2484bc7b966210864910f821df) but both of them stopped syncing with plenty of connections at different block heights.
Only multiple restarts started syncing them again.
Edit3: If the block explorer can be trusted I am on a fork with both of my clients (they are not connected to each other).
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June 06, 2016, 02:55:18 AM
Last edit: June 06, 2016, 04:54:49 AM by EverGreenCoin |
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Aaaaand I have forked again...
These things doesn't just happen to all coins, far from it.
And it wasn't caused by a new wallet, it's just happened all of a sudden.
Either the coin can't handle forks for some reason (checkpoints are useless in this case) or the coin is being attacked in some way. If that is the case I'm 90% sure it's because of proof of stake.
I love this coin and own a bunch of it but this is getting kind of ridiculous. I think if the dev can't fix it we might need to fund getting outside help.
Edit: I have two wallets running on two different PCs with different IPs, one for staking and one for solomining. Now both of them forked off - or at least it seems this way because none of them want to sync.
Edit2: None of them forked (I hope, getblockhash 459170 - 00000000b7962f650d5a4d58921c4cf71bdcdd2484bc7b966210864910f821df) but both of them stopped syncing with plenty of connections at different block heights.
Only multiple restarts started syncing them again.
Edit3: If the block explorer can be trusted I am on a fork with both of my clients (they are not connected to each other).
Bathrobehero, sorry for the slow response. I had to step away from my desk for a few hours for a family obligation I could not bring myself to miss. I do believe the block explorer can be trusted and is on the correct chain as it does concur with the 2 seednodes (seed & seed2.evergreencoin.org) I have full access to. I am very eagerly awaiting crysx to come online so investigation can continue to his seednodes. He is 13 hours ahead of me and did have to sleep last night. The coin will correct from forks, in some cases. As you can see this wallet (v1.2.1) 4 days ago doing so. Note how it had an incorrect block hash for 447617, but then is corrected:  More recently, here is an example of the same, but taking 5 minutes to correct, on block 457996:  Both the qt wallet and daemon both appear to hang while doing this reorganization and may appear to not be syncing for several minutes. This may have been what you observed. I have been in communication with Mammix, the creator of the code from which EGC was cloned, several times recently. He did agree the code improvements would help mitigate forks and also was the one that recommended I add BIP66, which I have. Yes I agree they are coming from PoS blocks as you said. Mammix has agreed to set aside some time for me tomorrow morning. I will wait for him to wake. He is 5 hours ahead of me. I do understand yours and everyone's frustration. I will do everything necessary to get the blockchian secure from forks. EDIT: Crysx has risen from his slumber and yes, the block explorer does concur across all EGC seednodes including those on the granite network. |
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portdavenport
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June 06, 2016, 03:36:43 AM |
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Just remember everyone... the definition of failure is giving up. Portdavenport  |
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AikaPool
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June 06, 2016, 09:28:27 AM |
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AikaPool already forked!  What nodes have the correct blockchain? |
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crysx
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June 06, 2016, 11:08:45 AM |
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AikaPool already forked! What nodes have the correct blockchain? all the hardcoded seeds mate - at least i can speak on behalf of the granite ones ... they are all on the right chain ... just compile the latest git and bootstrap it ... as for the community - the amount of previous version wallets being used amazes me ... we have compiled the latest windows wallets for all to download ( no osx ones yet ) - and linux / daemon users compile their own from the uptodate git - and yet the versions that show on most of the seeds are early versions ... the next version of the update to the code should ( and probably will ) include a mandatory update that will change a few things - including a lockout of previous versions for the sake of the blockchain and all this forking - yes i meant that as a pun also ... if everyone complies and updates the wallet - there is less risk of it forking ... not a complete guarantee - but NO wallet is guaranteed that ... we are doing a LOT behind the scenes - and as im not as eloquent as steven when addressing these issues - i will say that those who want to dump and leave have every right to - as much as those who want to stay and stick it out in this rough time ... this is NOT an exact science - so be patient ... thats all ... if not - there are so many other coins that will take your money and rip you senseless for that money ... many many many out there ... some are legitimate projects - as is this one - with people who give a damn about not only the code and coin and project - but about the community and what needs to be done to minimize the issues that arise - to make it a less bumpy ride FOR the community ... steven might not say it - and probably wont like me saying it - but stop stressing and bear with us ... but moreso - work with us ... update those damned wallets ... or - dont bother - it really is up to you ... we will still be here - working on it ... #crysx |
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Gizfreak
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June 06, 2016, 11:29:49 AM |
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A mandatory update with the lockout of previous versions, is the best you can do in a situation like this indeed.
When I was active as a dev for ANTI we had the same problem and we managed to get everyone on the right chain by doing it that way.
Not nice for people that have an old version of the wallet, but it's inevitable imo.
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June 06, 2016, 11:39:39 AM
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A mandatory update with the lockout of previous versions, is the best you can do in a situation like this indeed.
When I was active as a dev for ANTI we had the same problem and we managed to get everyone on the right chain by doing it that way.
Not nice for people that have an old version of the wallet, but it's inevitable imo.
agreed ... it seems to be the best way to work - so if steven is willing do so - he will ... are you now retired from coding? ... or still at it? ... we have been looking at the coins we now have in arsenal of projects - and rebasing granite ( and eventually ozziecoin - ozc ) is not going to be an easy task ... these issues with forks are not helping our time frames either ... but hopefully - it will be put to bed soon ... especially if there is expert help around - experienced in such issues ... #crysx |
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June 06, 2016, 12:08:25 PM |
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don't believe that it is an attack at your coin ...
think it is buggy, no more no less ... Sorry to say, but those things happen from time to time, no matter what coin. Btw how can you judge on such a theme with a fresh account like that? You better leave technical stuff to people with more experience and the money you lost, for me, is because of your weak hands. Nothing less, nothing more. See it as a good lesson to not sell too early. the loss isn"t by selling... this is by lost EGC Coins not refunded, Rig-Rental, Rootserver-Rental. This coin is a shitty buggy coin ! |
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June 06, 2016, 12:15:29 PM |
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are you now retired from coding? ... or still at it? ... I'm not doing any development anymore as it was getting too much work for me as the only remaining dev. Now I just do some graphic and webdesign stuff for the sake of my own pleasure and at my own pace. |
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June 06, 2016, 12:19:39 PM |
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don't believe that it is an attack at your coin ...
think it is buggy, no more no less ... Sorry to say, but those things happen from time to time, no matter what coin. Btw how can you judge on such a theme with a fresh account like that? You better leave technical stuff to people with more experience and the money you lost, for me, is because of your weak hands. Nothing less, nothing more. See it as a good lesson to not sell too early. the loss isn"t by selling... this is by lost EGC Coins not refunded, Rig-Rental, Rootserver-Rental. This coin is a shitty buggy coin ! I took a look at your sig stating: crypto helping others, so maybe help instead of complaining? |
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LeChuckDE
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June 06, 2016, 01:41:23 PM |
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don't believe that it is an attack at your coin ...
think it is buggy, no more no less ... Sorry to say, but those things happen from time to time, no matter what coin. Btw how can you judge on such a theme with a fresh account like that? You better leave technical stuff to people with more experience and the money you lost, for me, is because of your weak hands. Nothing less, nothing more. See it as a good lesson to not sell too early. the loss isn"t by selling... this is by lost EGC Coins not refunded, Rig-Rental, Rootserver-Rental. This coin is a shitty buggy coin ! I took a look at your sig stating: crypto helping others, so maybe help instead of complaining? why should i give my knowledge into a shitty-coin like EGC ? It will die within the next weeks ... Think due the next fork more people lost money with it (not due trading) and think like me ... |
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June 06, 2016, 04:46:34 PM |
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June 06, 2016, 04:53:43 PM |
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A mandatory update with the lockout of previous versions, is the best you can do in a situation like this indeed.
When I was active as a dev for ANTI we had the same problem and we managed to get everyone on the right chain by doing it that way.
Not nice for people that have an old version of the wallet, but it's inevitable imo.
Yes, I had hoped enough would willingly upgrade to not make a mandatory upgrade and lockout needed. These and other options are being explored. Thank you for your input GizFreak. It is welcome and appreciated. |
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June 06, 2016, 06:03:21 PM |
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hi guys, dev and communities still continue to work on this coin. the simple design banner for OP and paper wallet. green.. green.. greeeennn... .  very nice join free |
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June 06, 2016, 06:08:24 PM |
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Green is the color of Hope. There are hard times, no doubt, but i'll be supporting this coin and this project since its end, like a miner and investor. Come on!
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June 06, 2016, 06:20:54 PM |
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wish i could give a thumbs up or even a high five on some of these positive and true comments today. im there till the end to things happen but what makes it better is when we get together figure out the problem and help others get on the same page then we overcome. things might be hard these things are not easy if you stressed or mad there is an anger bar in the bottom right corner at http://evergreencoin.proboards.com/ have at it. other than that hey its life things happen suck it up buttercup get up brush yourself off and keep going giving up is not an option thats for the weak the strong pull together. |
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June 06, 2016, 06:37:59 PM |
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When the problems with forking have been solved, I think it would be wise to have a look into giving Evergreen a renewable energy face like eg. Solarcoin or Greencoin are doing. I think a good example is this one https://steemit.com/solar/@ihashfury/my-favourite-crypto-miner. Just my 2 EGC |
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June 06, 2016, 09:31:12 PM |
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oops.. ive been lazy and busy.
Didnt update to latest wallet.. so yesterday it seems i went unsynched.
Downloaded the latest version, and the bootstrap.
Started the loading now.
If there is any posibility to incorporate a indicatior of progress on boostrap-loading, that would be helpful.
Im guessing many just assume everything has hung when its acting like it is while loading bootstrap.
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June 06, 2016, 10:12:45 PM |
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oops.. ive been lazy and busy.
Didnt update to latest wallet.. so yesterday it seems i went unsynched.
Downloaded the latest version, and the bootstrap.
Started the loading now.
If there is any posibility to incorporate a indicatior of progress on boostrap-loading, that would be helpful.
Im guessing many just assume everything has hung when its acting like it is while loading bootstrap.
If you really want to know, you can see where you're at by looking at the size of the blk0001.dat file in your EverGreenCoin directory where your wallet file is. It will keep increasing in size and until it reaches about the same size as the bootstrap file, at which point it's done. @EverGreenCoin: you're right and thank you for the explanation. |
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