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March 15, 2016, 01:14:47 PM
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well, in light of being hit by such massive hashpower by farms in china, i am considering changing the algo from scrypt..

im setting up a poll for the community to vote on what algo, if any, we should change to.

please vote on the poll, do not make a post, unless the algo you prefer is not on the list, in which case it will be added.

Have you seen this?

http://allcoinsnews.com/2016/03/09/icelands-auroracoin-moves-from-litecoin-to-digibyte-codebase/

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Moreover, a multi-algorithmic implementation mitigates multipool activity, thus reducing the chance of ‘long blocks’.

Would you consider multi-algo?

yes i would, added, and poll reset

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March 15, 2016, 01:33:55 PM
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maybe Lyra2REv2 is ok
VTC and Mona use it
only gpu mining
no asic
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March 15, 2016, 01:41:05 PM
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nice to see Multi-Algo Mining on list
very few coins have this feature and
really opens the door for everyone
not only well it help with the mining
but is another great feature to add to
the long list of features verge already has

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March 15, 2016, 01:45:18 PM
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Digibyte uses multi-algo pretty successfully.
It opens their coin to more miners and some protection from these evil ones.

My vote as best way to go. Cool

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March 15, 2016, 01:46:14 PM
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Digibyte uses multi-algo pretty successfully.
It opens their coin to more miners and some protection from these evil ones.

My vote as best way to go. Cool

Would you consider POS?

To peel or not to peel.
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March 15, 2016, 01:48:08 PM
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Overall I think this is a very positive change we just need to make the best out of it and no need to rush on it.

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March 15, 2016, 01:50:01 PM
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Digibyte uses multi-algo pretty successfully.
It opens their coin to more miners and some protection from these evil ones.

My vote as best way to go. Cool

Would you consider POS?

I believe its still pure PoW just changing the algo. PoS is a completely different beast and not decentralized.

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March 15, 2016, 02:01:55 PM
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well, in light of being hit by such massive hashpower by farms in china, i am considering changing the algo from scrypt..

im setting up a poll for the community to vote on what algo, if any, we should change to.

please vote on the poll, do not make a post, unless the algo you prefer is not on the list, in which case it will be added.

if china want xvg they can list it in china exchange and buy Wink
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March 15, 2016, 02:12:14 PM
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i use asic's   only 27mh  and i know im losing money at it, but i keep it running thru the winter, helps heat etc.

cant run it in summer, too too hot.  but i try all winter.

i cant switch to sha256 at all with that ofc.

not sure i can do any of the otehrs with this.

I used to do GPU mining  on the blakecoin setup.was interesting anyhow.


but, looks like ill have to start looking for another mining target...again.

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March 15, 2016, 02:15:05 PM
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i use asic's   only 27mh  and i know im losing money at it, but i keep it running thru the winter, helps heat etc.

cant run it in summer, too too hot.  but i try all winter.

i cant switch to sha256 at all with that ofc.

not sure i can do any of the otehrs with this.

I used to do GPU mining  on the blakecoin setup.was interesting anyhow.


but, looks like ill have to start looking for another mining target...again.

Sad



Maybe not. multi algo is in the lead and there is a scrypt option for that so hang in there Smiley

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March 15, 2016, 02:39:47 PM
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Did Dev or anyone else ever track that as the ip address of the bighash and confirm it?
Was it in fact china?
It would be first thought because of the size and constant hammering.
Just wondered though.

Oh and giant - scrypt IS one of the 5 algos.........used by digibyte anyway.
They try to appeal to gamers and have done pretty well.
In process of opening coin for other uses.

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March 15, 2016, 02:46:47 PM
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Lyra2REv2 is good

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Never buy any ASIC altcoin.
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March 15, 2016, 02:49:06 PM
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Drop a message to follow the thread, doged holder, so now verge Smiley

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March 15, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
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multi gets my vote - Scrypt served XVG well, now it is time to open it up to all miners.

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March 15, 2016, 02:58:48 PM
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All,

The only real solution on that board is X11.

Here is why.

X11
The “X” series of algorithms first debuted with Darkcoin and was invented by Darkcoins creator, Evan Duffield. X11 is a hashing algorithm that includes eleven different hashing algorithms bundled up in one package. The original intent of X11 was to protect the network from what its creators called, Single Point Failures, which is a scenario where a hacker could theoretically crack an algorithm, making it vulnerable to attacks. Unlike SHA-256 and Scrypt, which are based on a single hashing algorithm, X11 features eleven different algorithms, all of which would all have to be compromised for an attack to be successful. The “X” series of algorithms extends beyond X11, and includes X12, X13, X14 all the way up to X17.

The simple difference between these algorithms is the amount of hashing algorithms intertwined in the package.

X11 is by far the most popular of the “X” series of hashing algorithms and has a number of attractive features to boot. X11 is best mined using GPU’s, and has a 1:6 efficiency ratio between CPU and GPU’s, thanks to better mining software, the GPU/CPU gap has been widening since the introduction of the algorithm. At this time X11 remains ASIC resistant and there are no publicly announced ASIC’s in development for the algorithm, however its widespread popularity and profitability may make it a target for ASIC developers in the future. X11 is also less power hungry then both SHA-256 and Scrypt, keeping your house cooler and quieter especially in the summertime, and keeping your significant other slightly happier about your mining operation. X11 happens to be the most dependent on the mining software you use compared to any other algorithm; specific mining software can give you huge advantages over others, potentially increasing hash power up to 40% with just the right software and settings.

But lets compare this to what we are currently using right now which is:

Scrypt

Scrypt was first introduced in cryptocurrency mining with the introduction of Litecoin. Benefits of the Scrypt algorithm included lower block times than Bitcoin, and ASIC resistance (Which unfortunately for us currently the "lower block time" doesnt apply given our current SPV issue). Scrypt was originally invented by Colin Percival for the Tarsnap online backup service, the service touts that Scrypt makes it tremendously expensive for custom hardware attacks to be conducted and is thousands of times more secure than many popular cryptographic algorithms in use today. Scrypt requires attackers to either use more memory to conduct a brute force attack, or use less memory and conduct a slower attack, this trade off is intentional and makes Scrypt very secure.

For miners, Scrypt is GPU friendly and the vast majority of Scrypt miners are GPU miners. Scrypt takes up more memory than SHA-256, however this is offset by the fact that Scrypt mining uses up less electricity than SHA-256 mining. With less electricity comes lower heat output and less noise coming from your miners, however mining Scrypt can still increase your AC bills during the Summer, and lower your gas bills in the Winter. It needs to be noted that ASIC’s for Scrypt mining are on the market, thus if you are a GPU miner mining Scrypt, you may be in for some competition. As more and more Scrypt ASIC’s are expected to hit the market, expect the difficulty to rise on Scrypt coins and your market shares to decrease, along with your profits.

Alternatives:

SHA256
No.

Lyra2REv2

Though Verticoin's implementation of Lyra2REv2 was successful - There is not enough data to suggest that this is a long term algorithum worth switching too. Also current Verticoin's currently standing network hash rate signifies that there is very little adoption to this algorithm. See:
http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/vertcoin-network-hashrate-chart



Final thoughts for x11 to clarify earlier mentioned points -


Security: The algorithm uses eleven hashing functions from the Blake algorithm to the Keccak algorithm making it very secure which is what Verge ($XVG) touts.

Effectiveness: The X11 Algorithm gives amazingly fast hashes for both GPU’s and CPU’s. It also keeps GPU’s over 30% cooler making your expensive graphic cards less prone to overheating.

Power Cost: Due to how effective it is, graphic cards do not require that much power in order to mine it. Therefore, you will see significantly lower electricity costs at the end of the month. This makes coins running this algorithm to be a favorite in places where electricity costs are far from bearable.


Obviously this does not cover all the choices on the pole such as Multi but this is intended to help people understand some of the core mining algo's.


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March 15, 2016, 03:00:25 PM
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All,

The only real solution on that board is X11.

Here is why.

X11
The “X” series of algorithms first debuted with Darkcoin and was invented by Darkcoins creator, Evan Duffield. X11 is a hashing algorithm that includes eleven different hashing algorithms bundled up in one package. The original intent of X11 was to protect the network from what its creators called, Single Point Failures, which is a scenario where a hacker could theoretically crack an algorithm, making it vulnerable to attacks. Unlike SHA-256 and Scrypt, which are based on a single hashing algorithm, X11 features eleven different algorithms, all of which would all have to be compromised for an attack to be successful. The “X” series of algorithms extends beyond X11, and includes X12, X13, X14 all the way up to X17.

The simple difference between these algorithms is the amount of hashing algorithms intertwined in the package.

X11 is by far the most popular of the “X” series of hashing algorithms and has a number of attractive features to boot. X11 is best mined using GPU’s, and has a 1:6 efficiency ratio between CPU and GPU’s, thanks to better mining software, the GPU/CPU gap has been widening since the introduction of the algorithm. At this time X11 remains ASIC resistant and there are no publicly announced ASIC’s in development for the algorithm, however its widespread popularity and profitability may make it a target for ASIC developers in the future. X11 is also less power hungry then both SHA-256 and Scrypt, keeping your house cooler and quieter especially in the summertime, and keeping your significant other slightly happier about your mining operation. X11 happens to be the most dependent on the mining software you use compared to any other algorithm; specific mining software can give you huge advantages over others, potentially increasing hash power up to 40% with just the right software and settings.

But lets compare this to what we are currently using right now which is:

Scrypt

Scrypt was first introduced in cryptocurrency mining with the introduction of Litecoin. Benefits of the Scrypt algorithm included lower block times than Bitcoin, and ASIC resistance (Which unfortunately for us currently the "lower block time" doesnt apply given our current SPV issue). Scrypt was originally invented by Colin Percival for the Tarsnap online backup service, the service touts that Scrypt makes it tremendously expensive for custom hardware attacks to be conducted and is thousands of times more secure than many popular cryptographic algorithms in use today. Scrypt requires attackers to either use more memory to conduct a brute force attack, or use less memory and conduct a slower attack, this trade off is intentional and makes Scrypt very secure.

For miners, Scrypt is GPU friendly and the vast majority of Scrypt miners are GPU miners. Scrypt takes up more memory than SHA-256, however this is offset by the fact that Scrypt mining uses up less electricity than SHA-256 mining. With less electricity comes lower heat output and less noise coming from your miners, however mining Scrypt can still increase your AC bills during the Summer, and lower your gas bills in the Winter. It needs to be noted that ASIC’s for Scrypt mining are on the market, thus if you are a GPU miner mining Scrypt, you may be in for some competition. As more and more Scrypt ASIC’s are expected to hit the market, expect the difficulty to rise on Scrypt coins and your market shares to decrease, along with your profits.

Alternatives:

SHA256
No.

Lyra2REv2

Though Verticoin's implementation of Lyra2REv2 was successful - There is not enough data to suggest that this is a long term algorithum worth switching too. Also current Verticoin's currently standing network hash rate signifies that there is very little adoption to this algorithm. See:
http://www.coinwarz.com/network-hashrate-charts/vertcoin-network-hashrate-chart



Final thoughts for x11 to clarify earlier mentioned points -


Security: The algorithm uses eleven hashing functions from the Blake algorithm to the Keccak algorithm making it very secure which is what Verge ($XVG) touts.

Effectiveness: The X11 Algorithm gives amazingly fast hashes for both GPU’s and CPU’s. It also keeps GPU’s over 30% cooler making your expensive graphic cards less prone to overheating.

Power Cost: Due to how effective it is, graphic cards do not require that much power in order to mine it. Therefore, you will see significantly lower electricity costs at the end of the month. This makes coins running this algorithm to be a favorite in places where electricity costs are far from bearable.


Obviously this does not cover all the choices on the pole such as Multi but this is intended to help people understand some of the core mining algo's.


Cheers-

Rekt
 

and when x11 asic comes on market - what next?

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March 15, 2016, 03:07:45 PM
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anyone suggest CryptoNight?  not sure if there are any issues with it?

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March 15, 2016, 03:08:54 PM
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Did Dev or anyone else ever track that as the ip address of the bighash and confirm it?
Was it in fact china?
It would be first thought because of the size and constant hammering.
Just wondered though.

Oh and giant - scrypt IS one of the 5 algos.........used by digibyte anyway.
They try to appeal to gamers and have done pretty well.
In process of opening coin for other uses.

yes, i did track it, and it came back to alibaba/china.

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March 15, 2016, 03:11:43 PM
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i wrote shapeshift, again, as request, and here is my response from shapeshift:

As I mentioned to you when we first spoke, we get dozens of requests for coin additions a day. We will never promise anyone that we will add their coin until we are in the final stages of adding it. If we decide to add Verge, we will announce on our newsletter and social media channels. If you would like to direct your users to those channels so they can connect with us, they are more than welcome to do so.

my response to them, again, was:

i wasn't asking for any promise, i was just curious as to why it has not been added, so i can give everyone an explanation who asks me. why has verge not been added?

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March 15, 2016, 03:20:16 PM
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If you would like to direct your users to those channels so they can connect with us, they are more than welcome to do so.




ROFL!

o......k......... like we haven't already tried to reach them on their social channels.


le sigh.


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