Bitmain's Released Antminer S9, World's First 16nm Miner Ready to Order

[scyth33]

my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86  mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
    Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

All my shipments from BMT and AliExpress to SG are with DHL - very fast, minimal paperwork and all web & SMS automated.

I just pay the Goods & Services Tax (GST) upon arrival to my doorsteps - about 7% of declared value.

From Amazon, I used Fedex and UPS before but too many paperwork and delays. Some UPS packages did not arrive!

Changed to DHL and no more issues.

how long does it take for you to ROI?

[1714919572]

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[citronick]

my secondary account.  I am philipma1957

gear came .  fees for 2 units = 89 usd

could be worse.  I think I won't ask many questions for the time being.

That is on par with what I paid today to clear my single B3 miner. I asked the UPS agent for a breakdoen and it was a total of $46.86  mostly Customs duty and something like $3-4 for the UPS brokerage fee to process the Customs duty and import clearance.

Either the import thresholds have changed or the miner is mis-marked for shipping code.

I'd have to look up the exact code but is supposed to be for:
    Electronic equipment, computer, no terminal or display
or something like that.

It also took an odd hop in Japan -- usual route is Shenzhen > Osaka > Anchorage > etc.
This time it arrived in Narita first but then left from Osaka. Er? A bit of a trek there.

FYI, I wrote to Bitmain about this and they claim that they haven't changed the shipping codes. The implication is that it's the dollar figure triggering the difference, or UPS has gotten gready.

The fact that every S9 was in excess of $2k while every S7 was under ($1.8k I think) leads me to think that we're in that gray area that Phil indicated where anything north of $2k might be interpreted as commercial and hence subject to duty.

I'm going to take this up with UPS, but I doubt it will change anything.

Bitmain needs to understand that the $2k threshold has an impact on the US market. They should return to pricing that's more sane.

They've been especially greedy this time. They probably would have made much more money if they had priced the S9 lower, assuming that they could fill the unit demand.

Has anyone tried DHL? I know UPS and FedEX are charging.

i think dhl charges a lot more to ship it.

All my shipments from BMT and AliExpress to SG are with DHL - very fast, minimal paperwork and all web & SMS automated.

I just pay the Goods & Services Tax (GST) upon arrival to my doorsteps - about 7% of declared value.

From Amazon, I used Fedex and UPS before but too many paperwork and delays. Some UPS packages did not arrive!

Changed to DHL and no more issues.

how long does it take for you to ROI?

ROI for S9?

with BTC expected over 1k by year end... hopefully in no time!

[Bigsky]

Has anyone else seen UPS wackiness such as this? My package was originally planning to be here (the U.S.) today, but delayed a day due to customs stuff... now it seems like it's taking a boat trip around asia.... WTH   And UPS is still projecting a delivery of tomorrow on the east coast. LOL

Incheon, Korea, Republic of   06/24/2016   8:13 A.M.   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/24/2016   3:35 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/23/2016   10:45 A.M.   The package is awaiting clearing agency review. / Your package was released by the clearing agency.
Osaka, Japan   06/23/2016   10:33 A.M.   Arrival Scan
Narita, Japan   06/23/2016   9:12 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/23/2016   8:25 A.M.   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/23/2016   3:07 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/23/2016   1:01 A.M.   Export Scan
Shenzhen, China   06/22/2016   9:29 P.M.   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery. / The package will be forwarded to a UPS facility in the destination city.
06/22/2016   5:36 P.M.   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery.
06/22/2016   1:00 A.M.   Arrival Scan
06/22/2016   12:53 A.M.   Departure Scan
06/21/2016   12:48 P.M.   The package is awaiting clearing agency review. / The package is at the clearing agency awaiting final release.
Shenzhen, China   06/21/2016   11:37 P.M.   Origin Scan
06/21/2016   5:06 P.M.   Pickup Scan
China   06/21/2016   11:06 P.M.   Order Processed: Ready for UPS

I must have bought the same package deal as you wobbzz

here is my itinerary

Incheon, Korea, Republic of   24/06/2016   8:13   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   24/06/2016   3:35   Departure Scan
Osaka, Japan   23/06/2016   10:33   Arrival Scan
Narita, Japan   23/06/2016   9:12   Departure Scan
23/06/2016   8:25   Arrival Scan
Shenzhen, China   23/06/2016   3:07   Departure Scan
23/06/2016   0:56   Export Scan
22/06/2016   21:27   We updated the delivery information for your package. / Your package was released by the clearing agency.
Shenzhen, China   22/06/2016   21:27   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery. / The package will be forwarded to a UPS facility in the destination city.
22/06/2016   17:33   Your package is in transit. We're updating plans to schedule your delivery.
22/06/2016   14:08   We updated the delivery information for your package.
22/06/2016   1:00   Arrival Scan
22/06/2016   0:53   Departure Scan
Shenzhen, China   21/06/2016   23:29   Origin Scan
China   21/06/2016   0:09   Order Processed: Ready for UPS


seems the weather is nice in Japan this time of year so we will make two port visits there
then we will go back to Shenzen, because we forgot some of the other passengers, then off
we go to Korea and a quick visit to the DMZ and wave to some guards, lets take a guess at
what our next stop on the magical mystery tour will be.

All i wanted was a trip on the Rocky Mountaineer and a nice holiday in some cold location
in Newfoundland or similar, to be hosted by a caring and diligent host for a good 12 month
sabbatical

I must contact my travel agent and see what kind of trip this is.


All jokes aside, I have never had any of these issues getting miners sent to Australia,
with both UPS and DHL in the past, but this is really turning me off UPS

[IconFirm]

I see the firmware for the S9 is now available for download - has anyone taken it apart & inspected the miner spoftware yet?

[eretron]

My S9 Batch 2 has arrived...

So far so good... It's quite warm here atm.

[grn]

Seems DHL wants to keep my B2

Friday, June 24, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
28   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:40   
1 Piece
Thursday, June 23, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
27   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:34   
1 Piece
Wednesday, June 22, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
26   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:22   
1 Piece
Tuesday, June 21, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
25   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   17:53   
1 Piece
24   Processed for clearance at BRITISH COLUMBIA - CANADA   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   10:36   
1 Piece
23   Arrived at Sort Facility BRITISH COLUMBIA - CANADA   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   10:22   
1 Piece
22   Customs status updated   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   06:36   
21   Transferred through SEATTLE - USA   SEATTLE, WA - USA   06:32   
1 Piece
20   Departed Facility in CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   05:29   
1 Piece
19   Processed at CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   02:09   
1 Piece
18   Clearance processing complete at CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   00:19   
1 Piece
Monday, June 20, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
17   Shipment on hold   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   10:46   
1 Piece
16   Arrived at Sort Facility CINCINNATI HUB - USA   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   10:39   
1 Piece
Sunday, June 19, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
15   Customs status updated   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   09:50   
14   Customs status updated   CINCINNATI HUB, OH - USA   04:01   
13   Departed Facility in HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   06:31   
1 Piece
12   Processed at HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   06:17   
1 Piece
Saturday, June 18, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
11   Clearance processing complete at HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   23:55   
1 Piece
10   Arrived at Sort Facility HONG KONG - HONG KONG   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   23:41   
1 Piece
9   Customs status updated   HONG KONG - HONG KONG   22:09   
8   Departed Facility in SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   21:06   
1 Piece
7   Processed at SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   20:51   
1 Piece
6   Clearance processing complete at SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   18:55   
5   Clearance event   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   06:16   
4   Arrived at Sort Facility SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   06:14   
3   Departed Facility in SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   01:13   
1 Piece
2   Processed at SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   00:39   
1 Piece
Friday, June 17, 2016   Location   Time   Piece
1   Shipment picked up   SHENZHEN - CHINA, PEOPLES REPUBLIC   17:11   
1 Piece

[suchmoon]

Seems DHL wants to keep my B2

Friday, June 24, 2016[/b]   Location   Time   Piece
28   Clearance event   BRITISH COLUMBIA, BC - CANADA   05:40   
1 Piece

I bet they're waiting for you to pay up - call them

[notlist3d]

My S9 Batch 2 has arrived...

So far so good... It's quite warm here atm.

(pic above)

In the Midwest here so we get a lot of different temperatures.  So far I have had good luck to seems to be able to handle the summer heat which is good.  In my mining area I use air from outside push it through miners with big CFM fan's and exhaust the hot air. 

The S9 has done very good with the varying weather.   This week I could have high of low 90's F which is hotter then I like to the lows in the 60's F.   So it is handling  a variety of weather good.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Damnnit... I paid UPS yesterday for fees owed, truck came today with the miner on it and -- driver said it was COD. Showed him the receipt and UPS conf# and doesn't matter 'cause the system still has not been updated for it...

Hopefully by time of the days-end pickup it will have cleared so I can get it today vs Monday.  Grrrrr..........

[Sierra8561]

While we are on the subject of cooling. Anyone tried immersion cooling? Bitfury is getting phenomenal increases. Mineral oil seems inexpensive. 3M make some great but expensive products. IBM even does it now. Has anyone tried it?

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Mineral oil and 3M's Novec fluids are totally different things. The higher viscosity and much poorer thermal transfer properties of mineral oils means that great care has to be taken to ensure enough heat is pulled fast enough from the chips. With 3M's thermal xfr fluids, they are thinner than water so flow very well (rather like butane in a lighter) and more to the point, when in the phase-change range (boiling) heat xfr ability goes through the roof because the fluid in contact with the heat source wants very much to stay at the phase-change temp.

That said, oil is still a tempting idea.

[Sierra8561]

Mineral oil and 3M's Novac fluids are totally different things. The higher viscosity and much poorer thermal transfer properties of mineral oils means that great care has to be taken to ensure enough heat is pulled fast enough from the chips. With 3M's thermal xfr fluids, they are thinner than water so flow very well (rather like butane in a lighter) and more to the point, when in the phase-change range (boiling) heat xfr ability goes through the roof because the fluid in contact with the heat source wants very much to stay at the phase-change temp.

That said, oil is still a tempting idea.

I am thinking about trying mineral oil with a s7. Using a radiator for cooling and a high flow pump.

[chiguireitor]

...

I am thinking about trying mineral oil with a s7. Using a radiator for cooling and a high flow pump.

Don't pump mineral oil, mineral oil doesn't likes being pumped. Instead, use 2 phase cooling, with a cool radiator inmersed in oil with the cards.

The results are so-so, and resaleability of the cards goes down dramatically, although YMMV.

[wobbzz]

Mine showed up today. Mining away right meow.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Mine showed up today. Mining away right meow.

Mine sort of did...
UPS showed up at work to drop it off but... It was still tagged as COD for the customs/brokerage fee despite me paying UPS with a CCard around noon on Thursday.

I have the receipt and UPS clearance conf# but he said since their delivery system hasn't released it yet if it clears he'll be back around our normal pickups time to drop it off, if not, should be Monday.

5:00p came and went, no miner 
WTF is wrong with UPS's accounting systems?

[not.you]

Mine showed up today. Mining away right meow.

Mine sort of did...
UPS showed up at work to drop it off but... It was still tagged as COD for the customs/brokerage fee despite me paying UPS with a CCard around noon on Thursday.

I have the receipt and UPS clearance conf# but he said since their delivery system hasn't released it yet if it clears he'll be back around our normal pickups time to drop it off, if not, should be Monday.

5:00p came and went, no miner  
WTF is wrong with UPS's accounting systems?

Too late now but you would get a refund if you double paid so probably would've been worth it.

Similar thing happened to me with an S7.  I got them to waive the fee after a half dozen phone calls but the driver didn't see that in whatever system he could see so he insisted on payment to leave it.  I paid him and a month later they sent me a refund check.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Yeah, I coulda. Even brought my checkbook yesterday when it was supposed to show up before UPS decided it should take the scenic route. But it dinna show in the morning so I used their phone ccard payment. Nice agent btw. Anywho, just said screw it and them figure it out by Monday.

Only real significant bitch is that I was going to take my last 4 s5's at work offline to send to Sidehack for his Compacs and replace with the s9 still coming out ahead by >6th with 1/2 the power use.

[Swimmer63]

Damnnit... I paid UPS yesterday for fees owed, truck came today with the miner on it and -- driver said it was COD. Showed him the receipt and UPS conf# and doesn't matter 'cause the system still has not been updated for it...

Hopefully by time of the days-end pickup it will have cleared so I can get it today vs Monday.  Grrrrr..........

Sorry for you.  I still can't believe there are fees to be paid.  I think I have had UPS deliver all but one of my miners.  Never have I paid a fee. (USA)

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Damnnit... I paid UPS yesterday for fees owed, truck came today with the miner on it and -- driver said it was COD. Showed him the receipt and UPS conf# and doesn't matter 'cause the system still has not been updated for it...

Hopefully by time of the days-end pickup it will have cleared so I can get it today vs Monday.  Grrrrr..........

Sorry for you.  I still can't believe there are fees to be paid.  I think I have had UPS deliver all but one of my miners.  Never have I paid a fee. (USA)

Since early 2014 I gotten around 80 miners in total from Bitmain, this make only the 4th time I had to pay.

So, methinks something in the Customs rules deciding business (fees) or personal might have changed. Or, their monitoring/tracking software is now looking at how many/total value of goods you get in a month or so.

The IRS does the same regarding the banks having to report deposits over $10k. They now track it on a per-month basis and if a business it making a lot of deposits just under 10k the Feds get -- interested shall we say, and start talking to each other. In Michigan alone there have been several arrests and property/money seizures of folks running rural small business like a hardware store. Later thrown out of court but - good luck getting property/money back. t is often held for ages as 'possible money laundering evidence'.

[edonkey]

So I paid the stupid duty to UPS (I figure I can contest it after the fact) and got my B3 S9 today. I deployed it at our data center powering it with a 2880 watt PSU from Finksy. Worked out of the box as advertised with no surprises.

It worked so well in fact that I tried bumping up the frequency to 650 (remember that B3 has default frequency of 550 and a correspondingly lower advertised hash rate). Hardware errors went from 0 to a manageable 0.0002% after a couple of hours. That boosted the hash rate from 12-ish THs to 13.6. Definitely worth it.

Temps are pretty cool since this is an air-conditioned DC. But it's interesting that each successive chain increases in temp:

Chain	HW	Temp(PCB)	Temp(Chip)
1	8	49	82
2	3	53	83
3	33	58	90

Not surprisingly the hottest board has the worst hardware error rate. This seems to match what others have found regarding inconsistent cooling and airflow to the boards.

But all in all the results are not too bad.