[ANN] [ETC] Ethereum Classic: Immutable Smart Contracts

[bitpop]

It's all hype. ETH is a dead coin. All the speed and marketing hype means nothing. We need real dapps and they'll be on ETC. When is the question.

[damnMscollec]

It's all hype. ETH is a dead coin. All the speed and marketing hype means nothing. We need real dapps and they'll be on ETC. When is the question.

Maybe you can develop it.     And community members can do themselves.

[BitCoinHow-com]

Invested just before the drop, is there any new that could inject some rally into ETC.

[markisanon2434]

Hi Bitpop! Long time!

Guys you need a marketing re-brand. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Eithereum classic". You guys arent "Ethereum classic". You are just Ethereum. They are the ones who hard forked. NOT YOU. Please stop calling yourself Ethereum classic and instead refer to this project as just Ethereum.

There is a problem with this you say? How will people know which Ethereum you are talking about. Simple. The guys on the fork should hence forth be referred to as "Neo-Ethereum".

Please. Spread the word. The guys who are actually Ethereum, real Ethereum, shouldn't be referring to themselves as "Ethereum classic". Do not let your opposition control language especially when you guys have the intellectual and moral high ground.

That's a great idea. But its gonna take hell of an effort. ETC needs to have some solid strong DAPPs and the rest will be history. I hope ETC will be able to reach the same level as of ETH. I know there are people who wants ETC to overtake ETH but, we need to consider the reality. And I don't see much hope for now. The devs have to work and release a solid DAPP. I understand its easy to post anything on the thread, but I simply like your post! With supporters like you, ETC may be the next best thing in the future 

[Anon136]

Hi Bitpop! Long time!

Guys you need a marketing re-brand. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Eithereum classic". You guys arent "Ethereum classic". You are just Ethereum. They are the ones who hard forked. NOT YOU. Please stop calling yourself Ethereum classic and instead refer to this project as just Ethereum.

There is a problem with this you say? How will people know which Ethereum you are talking about. Simple. The guys on the fork should hence forth be referred to as "Neo-Ethereum".

Please. Spread the word. The guys who are actually Ethereum, real Ethereum, shouldn't be referring to themselves as "Ethereum classic". Do not let your opposition control language especially when you guys have the intellectual and moral high ground.

That's a great idea. But its gonna take hell of an effort. ETC needs to have some solid strong DAPPs and the rest will be history. I hope ETC will be able to reach the same level as of ETH. I know there are people who wants ETC to overtake ETH but, we need to consider the reality. And I don't see much hope for now. The devs have to work and release a solid DAPP. I understand its easy to post anything on the thread, but I simply like your post! With supporters like you, ETC may be the next best thing in the future 

I just can't stand hypocrites.

[greenuser]

I worry about ETC. It is like the miners are ready to right away dump everything they earn and when the price is now very low, they are also ready to leave and point all their power on ETH. Is there any update from Charles Hoskinson? What are they planning?

Where have you been reading?  Do you mean Ethereum Miners? Some Ethereum Classic miners have been put off due to all the ddos attacks but we have defended the coin well    and a core group of mining is strong.
They are well organised and keep in contact via Ethereum Classic Forum and Slack.

Message Charles on slack if you want to speak to him, you can join here https://ethereumclassic.herokuapp.com  Then you will here stuff first hand, He will talk to anyone who is interested in ECT.  Nice bloke!

Well i have be comfortable with ethereum classic, and i think it is mean real ethereum. We need another innovation for ETC is like making wallet ETC on android platform or another ideas. Than we change name of ethereum classic.

Phone wallts due in October please read the DEVCHAT on the regular "shoutout" for info on development...and here it comes....

Wait for it....

[pawlo74]

Hi Bitpop! Long time!

Guys you need a marketing re-brand. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Eithereum classic". You guys arent "Ethereum classic". You are just Ethereum. They are the ones who hard forked. NOT YOU. Please stop calling yourself Ethereum classic and instead refer to this project as just Ethereum.

There is a problem with this you say? How will people know which Ethereum you are talking about. Simple. The guys on the fork should hence forth be referred to as "Neo-Ethereum".

Please. Spread the word. The guys who are actually Ethereum, real Ethereum, shouldn't be referring to themselves as "Ethereum classic". Do not let your opposition control language especially when you guys have the intellectual and moral high ground.

I thought I was the only one who thought so.
ETC really need to take back the "ethereum" name... let eth foundation rebrand.

but unfortunately, this is kinda already established, so it won't be easy.

Just gotta start saying it right. Be the agent of change. If a few people start doing it. And a few more follow. I bet it will catch like wild fire.

Yes correct, I feel like they stole our brand.

[vlom]

Wallets here: 
Ethereum Classic Mist Wallet - 0.8.1 (1.4.10 go-ethereum) by whatisgravity
https://github.com/ethereumproject/mist/releases/tag/5cbe0c0
Get new "etc only" geth node here https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/releases/tag/6aaf5f3

i am still not sure how to do this. if i download this version i have to apps called Ethereum-Wallet.
i need a forked version because i have eth.

is it possible to just rename the wallet i need for etc to Ethereum-Wallet-c.app?

i am using OS X.

[greenuser]

Wallets here:  
Ethereum Classic Mist Wallet - 0.8.1 (1.4.10 go-ethereum) by whatisgravity
https://github.com/ethereumproject/mist/releases/tag/5cbe0c0
Get new "etc only" geth node here https://github.com/ethereumproject/go-ethereum/releases/tag/6aaf5f3

i am still not sure how to do this. if i download this version i have to apps called Ethereum-Wallet.
i need a forked version because i have eth.

is it possible to just rename the wallet i need for etc to Ethereum-Wallet-c.app?

i am using OS X.

You can rename "Ethereum-Wallet-c.app" to just "geth" if you wish, that is what I did.
Read the github on the link,

"Geth 1.4.10 build that is exclusively for the Ethereum Classic network. This node has all the DAO code removed from the client and requires no additional flags to use the Ethereum classic network." by whatisgravity

I would not recommend putting this "geth" wallet on the same machine that has been running the forked version unless you know what you are doing.  It will pick up your eth keystore and use your eth address.  This is where you can get replays if you do this.

Also you will have the wrong blocks in the roaming folder.  You need to start from fresh on a new machine or remove all your eth files from your machine and do the "geth account new" command in geth to get a new address and new "keystore".

Remember to keep your “keystore” backed up.  It contains info to recreate you wallet on any machine

Your old "Mist" will work fine as a GUI to access your new "geth" node address

Why not use a light wallet for one chain and a full node wallet for the other chain?

[greenuser]

Hi Bitpop! Long time!

Guys you need a marketing re-brand. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Eithereum classic". You guys arent "Ethereum classic". You are just Ethereum. They are the ones who hard forked. NOT YOU. Please stop calling yourself Ethereum classic and instead refer to this project as just Ethereum.

There is a problem with this you say? How will people know which Ethereum you are talking about. Simple. The guys on the fork should hence forth be referred to as "Neo-Ethereum".

Please. Spread the word. The guys who are actually Ethereum, real Ethereum, shouldn't be referring to themselves as "Ethereum classic". Do not let your opposition control language especially when you guys have the intellectual and moral high ground.

I thought I was the only one who thought so.
ETC really need to take back the "ethereum" name... let eth foundation rebrand.

but unfortunately, this is kinda already established, so it won't be easy.

Just gotta start saying it right. Be the agent of change. If a few people start doing it. And a few more follow. I bet it will catch like wild fire.

Yes correct, I feel like they stole our brand.

We understand, we feel like slockit stole our network.  I did not invest in the Dao but i loved "Ethereum coin" (eth).  I am not going to abandon the chain i love for the "customers" that use it for bad coding.  They should have had the Dao code "peer reviewed" by the community.  Slockit screwed up!  Slockit and Dao people should have took the pain, but them and "eth devs" wanted all Eth holders to pay the price.  They burnt your/our brand!
Never mind, its done now.

================================

In addition however, Code is law?

If  Eugene and Vladimir  want to have a $10 bet on who will win US election so it could be done like this.  
 
Eugene bets Hillary will win.  Vladimir  bets Trump will win.
Eugene and Vladimir both give Mohamed $10,
After election Mohamed  gets a US newspaper to see who won.   Trump has won!
Mohamed gives $20 to winner  Vladimir

Eugene cries "no, we did not shake hands, I had my fingers crossed, I will take you to “court” fetch the “law”",
Big fight starts.  A “Judge” has to make a “judgement”. Eugene  threatens Mohamed,  Police are called.

======== Or ========

If  Eugene and Vladimir  want to have a $10 bet on who will win US election so it could be done like this.

Eugene bets Hillary will win.  Vladimir  bets Trump will win.
Eugene and Vladimir get Mohamed to write a SMART CONTRACT.  
They both agree that the “unstoppable code” will “judge” the outcome and input $10 .
After the election the SMART CONTRACT scans all the media from lots of different sources and decided that the evidence says Trump has won.    
SMART CONTRACT  pays  Vladimir

Eugene cries "no, we did not shake hands, I had my fingers crossed, I will take you to “court” fetch the “law”",
Big fight starts.  No “Judge” has to make a “judgement”, “code is law”.

Eugene goes to the Federal Reserve and asks Ben Bernanke  to recall all the dollar bills and issue new ones called fork-dollar bills?

"But I thought SMART CONTRACT means you don't need to trust a 3rd party?"  said Vladimir & Mohamed 

[usukan]

Maybe you should have stayed in XMR  

So not such a bad thing if Polo delist ETC in my eyes.

Seriously - you are delusional if you think this is true - Polo will make or break ETC

[usukan]

I see some discussion here again about Hybrid POW/POS - and a switch to some new POW algo which is entirely novel.

You need to understand that ETC needs to have some serious DEV horsepower to carry this off

IMO way too early for this - ETC needs to FOLLOW ETH for now (but diffuse diff bomb as a matter of urgency) or quickly fall away in utility since all functionality will disintegrate or be inextricably be delayed while devs catch up.

As I've stated before - my vote is clearly to go to POS

Where is the statement relating to how voting is going to work for ETC?  This is rather critical.

as for this idea about truly decentralised governance - been there - DONE THAT - DAO

quote Greeny - No body is in charge of ethereum classic, we have no leader.  We are all supporters.  Holy feck! Chandler might appreciate this - how about we throw a headless chicken into the cockfight. Guess what happens........... 

[greenuser]

I see some discussion here again about Hybrid POW/POS - and a switch to some new POW algo which is entirely novel.

You need to understand that ETC needs to have some serious DEV horsepower to carry this off

We have decentralized governance model.  If you want to bring about change in this coin, feel fee, join our slack and make a go of it.  
You will be made welcome.  However: no one has control, even some of our Devs are anonymous,  they code and get paid in crypto.  
We could have anyone working for us for all we know, Eth Devs?  Dao hacker?  Satoshi himself?  Frank who cleans my windows?
We will never know!  
Do we need to know, if the code is checked and rechecked by different people.  
People that have not met or do not know each others name or country they live in?

[pawlo74]

Hi Bitpop! Long time!

Guys you need a marketing re-brand. I cringe every time I hear the phrase "Eithereum classic". You guys arent "Ethereum classic". You are just Ethereum. They are the ones who hard forked. NOT YOU. Please stop calling yourself Ethereum classic and instead refer to this project as just Ethereum.

There is a problem with this you say? How will people know which Ethereum you are talking about. Simple. The guys on the fork should hence forth be referred to as "Neo-Ethereum".

Please. Spread the word. The guys who are actually Ethereum, real Ethereum, shouldn't be referring to themselves as "Ethereum classic". Do not let your opposition control language especially when you guys have the intellectual and moral high ground.

I thought I was the only one who thought so.
ETC really need to take back the "ethereum" name... let eth foundation rebrand.

but unfortunately, this is kinda already established, so it won't be easy.

Just gotta start saying it right. Be the agent of change. If a few people start doing it. And a few more follow. I bet it will catch like wild fire.

Yes correct, I feel like they stole our brand.

We understand, we feel like slockit stole our network.  I did not invest in the Dao but i loved "Ethereum coin" (eth).  I am not going to abandon the chain i love for the "customers" that use it for bad coding.  They should have had the Dao code "peer reviewed" by the community.  Slockit screwed up!  Slockit and Dao people should have took the pain, but them and "eth devs" wanted all Eth holders to pay the price.  They burnt your/our brand!
Never mind, its done now.

Yes agreed. I ment slockit, dao and corrupt people from EF stole our brand. Our brand is and always was ETHEREUM. How cold you even think different?? They should seek new name for their corrupt new chain. We are ETHEREUM we are not classic! Ethereum original chain is technology something more than devs, devs come and go, people live and die, technology is beyond. This is our chain, our name, our asset, we put our hard earned money in it. Corrupt people and devs abandoned our chain and I repeat stole our name!

[usukan]

with regard to wallets

this is the simplest solution to all transactions for ETC

https://www.myetherwallet.com

Just make sure you are operating on https - bookmark it and ALWAYS use the bookmark.  All signing is done client side and only the signed transaction is broadcast.

You can split SIMPLY to prevent replays and send ETC or ETH ONLY transactions. Save your wallet files on USB memory sticks - offline most of time. No syncing or Ethereum Wallet ever again.

[greenuser]

with regard to wallets

this is the simplest solution to all transactions for ETC

https://www.myetherwallet.com

Just make sure you are operating on https - bookmark it and ALWAYS use the bookmark.  All signing is done client side and only the signed transaction is broadcast.

You can split SIMPLY to prevent replays and send ETC or ETH ONLY transactions. Save your wallet files on USB memory sticks - offline most of time. No syncing or Ethereum Wallet ever again.

We have our own

Light Client-Side Wallet by elaine
So no need to download the blockchain https://elaineo.github.io/etherwallet/#generate-wallet
Send with Replay Protection on the light wallet https://elaineo.github.io/etherwallet/#replay-protection

take a look, remind you of anything?  (https://www.myetherwallet.com)  only all eth stuff removed!

Maybe you should read and check out the shoutout posts "for thoes too shy to ask!"

We have 3 new wallets that have no eth stuff in, 4 soon!  (Node, Light, Google chrome, and soon Android)

[randayh]

with regard to wallets

this is the simplest solution to all transactions for ETC

https://www.myetherwallet.com

Just make sure you are operating on https - bookmark it and ALWAYS use the bookmark.  All signing is done client side and only the signed transaction is broadcast.

You can split SIMPLY to prevent replays and send ETC or ETH ONLY transactions. Save your wallet files on USB memory sticks - offline most of time. No syncing or Ethereum Wallet ever again.

Careful with MEW. I lost 503 ETC in their stupid spliter contract. Be safe and use the ethereum classic version.

[ShooterXD]

Wow guys.
What a nice Hard Fork Timeline.

Good work. Have a nice job day!

[greenuser]

Wow guys.
What a nice Hard Fork Timeline.

Good work. Have a nice job day!

What?  The one on Ethereum Classic Website   https://ethereumclassic.github.io/
Yes, it is our history! and a lesson for Bitcion?

[roselee]

I see some discussion here again about Hybrid POW/POS - and a switch to some new POW algo which is entirely novel.

You need to understand that ETC needs to have some serious DEV horsepower to carry this off

We have decentralized governance model.  If you want to bring about change in this coin, feel fee, join our slack and make a go of it.  
You will be made welcome.  However: no one has control, even some of our Devs are anonymous,  they code and get paid in crypto.  
We could have anyone working for us for all we know, Eth Devs?  Dao hacker?  Satoshi himself?  Frank who cleans my windows?
We will never know!  
Do we need to know if the code is checked and rechecked by different people.  
People that have not met or do not know each others name or country they live in?

no we dont need to know and for us if the devs are delivering good secure work who cares if them were  eth devs or hackers or satoshi himself let tasks speak.

isnt that the basic theorie of smart contracts ? a code , contract writes down the rules under which circumstances one or another gets a certain amount?
and no third party can interfer ?

governance like if the vote is 50+% code  with 50+% gets activated. if its 50% /50% vote is restarted.

we just had to decide about the vote rules. head, coins or wallet has a vote.