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January 20, 2018, 11:15:50 PM
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I also wrote a tutorial for the ID attestation: https://steemit.com/byteball/@wekkel/byteball-unleash-the-wave

Nice work!

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January 20, 2018, 11:37:42 PM
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I sure hope Jumio kicks back a % to the byteball community fund or even tony himself for all the new business they are getting!
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January 21, 2018, 12:21:04 AM
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For what I've seen the verification process works perfectly fine when using a passport. However, when using a national ID, the process fails with ERROR_NOT_READABLE_ID.

Is it possible the process expects a specific ID format? For example only U.S. (or other single country) ID or driving license? I'd guess there's no issue when using a passport because its format is more standard internationally.

If Jumio expects only some specific format, it should be clearly stated.

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January 21, 2018, 01:35:08 AM
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For what I've seen the verification process works perfectly fine when using a passport. However, when using a national ID, the process fails with ERROR_NOT_READABLE_ID.

Is it possible the process expects a specific ID format? For example only U.S. (or other single country) ID or driving license? I'd guess there's no issue when using a passport because its format is more standard internationally.

If Jumio expects only some specific format, it should be clearly stated.

And unless it is corrected soon, it should also be stated that if you get it wrong, you will pay for each attempt.
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January 21, 2018, 05:42:37 AM
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For what I've seen the verification process works perfectly fine when using a passport. However, when using a national ID, the process fails with ERROR_NOT_READABLE_ID.

Is it possible the process expects a specific ID format? For example only U.S. (or other single country) ID or driving license? I'd guess there's no issue when using a passport because its format is more standard internationally.

If Jumio expects only some specific format, it should be clearly stated.

And unless it is corrected soon, it should also be stated that if you get it wrong, you will pay for each attempt.

Byteball is supposed to be forte on smart contract or conditional payment. Here it has the opportunity to show its potential. Jumio is not supposed to receive any money if the no ID verification is done. By the way, why should I pay 8 dollars on front for ID verification, many or the mayority of people are not familiar with Crypto, even less with Jumio, so it is very easy to miss step and make a misstake and loose 8 dollar trying to verify my ID. Payment to Jumio most be AFTER, not before, the ID verification is complete,  and then I get the 20 dollars. Here the insentive is to get people on Byteball by receiving 12 dollars, not for been an expert on Jumio ID verification risking 8 dollars by not knowing the steps. Or please make use of the "smart contract".
By the way, I think Byteball is the best Cryto proyect and the new distribution idea is the best by fixing the Jumio payment order.
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January 21, 2018, 08:09:11 AM
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For what I've seen the verification process works perfectly fine when using a passport. However, when using a national ID, the process fails with ERROR_NOT_READABLE_ID.

Is it possible the process expects a specific ID format? For example only U.S. (or other single country) ID or driving license? I'd guess there's no issue when using a passport because its format is more standard internationally.

If Jumio expects only some specific format, it should be clearly stated.

And unless it is corrected soon, it should also be stated that if you get it wrong, you will pay for each attempt.

Byteball is supposed to be forte on smart contract or conditional payment. Here it has the opportunity to show its potential. Jumio is not supposed to receive any money if the no ID verification is done. By the way, why should I pay 8 dollars on front for ID verification, many or the mayority of people are not familiar with Crypto, even less with Jumio, so it is very easy to miss step and make a misstake and loose 8 dollar trying to verify my ID. Payment to Jumio most be AFTER, not before, the ID verification is complete,  and then I get the 20 dollars. Here the insentive is to get people on Byteball by receiving 12 dollars, not for been an expert on Jumio ID verification risking 8 dollars by not knowing the steps. Or please make use of the "smart contract".
By the way, I think Byteball is the best Cryto proyect and the new distribution idea is the best by fixing the Jumio payment order.

It is Jumio business rule. The bonus is that you can pay in GByte and not in fiat (which is already a major step for our community).

People will verify their id at no condition when they will have a good reason to do that: participating to a KYC regulated ICO.

This is the ultimate target.
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January 21, 2018, 10:05:28 AM
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I also wrote a tutorial for the ID attestation: https://steemit.com/byteball/@wekkel/byteball-unleash-the-wave
Thanks, good job and very helpful.
The whole process is very simple. I would add a wait to this dialogue: "Received your payment of x.xx GB, waiting for confirmation (about 5 minutes)"
People today are no longer used to waiting in dialogue with devices without Feedback.
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January 21, 2018, 12:02:14 PM
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Why are you so inactive on Twitter?

Facebook seems much more active than Twitter to me.

Is there any reason for that?

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January 21, 2018, 12:38:47 PM
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What will be the mechanism of verification of provided documents for ID verification that is my concern as well. This issue has already been raised because different countries use different formats for those documents and don't give access to their databases. What if some one use counterfeit documents for id verification ?
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January 21, 2018, 01:54:23 PM
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What happens if the private keys to an address are compromised? Can we contact Jumio to ensure that we are able to link a new address, and the verification of the previous address is revoked?
It shouldn't be too difficult for Jumio to implement a standard procedure in these cases. With increase in cybercrimes, this is bound to occur.


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January 21, 2018, 02:03:17 PM
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What will be the mechanism of verification of provided documents for ID verification that is my concern as well. This issue has already been raised because different countries use different formats for those documents and don't give access to their databases. What if some one use counterfeit documents for id verification ?

Many good questions and debate going on about Jumio.
This is good, and will make the offer even stronger over time with a few tweaks here and there.

It is laughable to see the market reaction to such a minor issue - It's good that weak hands and non
believers continue to liquidate at such absurdly low prices. Bytes are flowing into stronger and stronger hands with every passing day.

I'm confident the Jumio Attestation Process will be tweaked and refined in short order. Its an absolutely essential tool for
ByteBall to have, and for some, it will be perfect, but the truth is, its just not for everyone.

I'm also confident that other methods will be developed to engage all the Byteballers that don't want or need this aspect.

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January 21, 2018, 05:12:05 PM
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I have interviewed Tony in an exclusive interview and managed to get some insights about behind the scenes present development and future plans for Byteball:

Here is the part 1 of the interview:
http://youtu.be/tB0AUpiF9B4

Please help us build the community, spread the word via your social media and increase the value of your Byteball assets.
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January 21, 2018, 07:23:21 PM
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Jewel Amongst Cryptocurrencies - next article about Byteball.

https://themerkle.com/jewel-amongst-cryptocurrencies/
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January 21, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
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I had to format my computer, but I had made a backup of my wallet on august 2017... now I have installed new version of byteball, and I can recover my wallet from restore option but always says this:

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Uncaught exception: Error: message encrypted to unknown key, device *********************************, len=228. The error might be caused by restoring from an old backup or using the same keys on another device.

What can I do in order to restore my wallet?... I'm using the latest version of byteball and my backup was from august 2017  Huh
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January 21, 2018, 07:44:11 PM
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What happens if the private keys to an address are compromised? Can we contact Jumio to ensure that we are able to link a new address, and the verification of the previous address is revoked?
It shouldn't be too difficult for Jumio to implement a standard procedure in these cases. With increase in cybercrimes, this is bound to occur.

Good question. Let's say somebody attests via a smartphone and looses it? Then what? Some stranger can use the attested identity on the phone indefinitely for whatever purpose? This is dangerous.

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January 21, 2018, 08:26:12 PM
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Let's say somebody attests via a smartphone and looses it? Then what? Some stranger can use the attested identity on the phone indefinitely for whatever purpose? This is dangerous.
Setting a strong password prevents this.

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January 21, 2018, 09:16:07 PM
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Let's say somebody attests via a smartphone and looses it? Then what? Some stranger can use the attested identity on the phone indefinitely for whatever purpose? This is dangerous.
Setting a strong password prevents this.

You better make sure it's realy strong. And make sure your phone or PC is unhackable so nobody will steal your password via a keylogger and the like methods.

And make sure that the Jumio database is never hacked. Because once it's hacked you are ...cked.

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January 21, 2018, 09:25:01 PM
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And make sure that the Jumio database is never hacked. Because once it's hacked you are ...cked.
As far as I know, Jumio shouldn't keep records, right? Jumio only verifies the identity (once!), then it's hash is stored in the DAG, and Jumio doesn't need your paperwork anymore. Jumio witnesses the hash is correct.
Im not sure if I am right here, but this would make perfect sense to me.

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January 21, 2018, 09:27:58 PM
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And make sure that the Jumio database is never hacked. Because once it's hacked you are ...cked.
As far as I know, Jumio shouldn't keep records, right? Jumio only verifies the identity (once!), then it's hash is stored in the DAG, and Jumio doesn't need your paperwork anymore. Jumio witnesses the hash is correct.
Im not sure if I am right here, but this would make perfect sense to me.

Cmon. Then how this KYC/AML works when needed? How three letter agency can find a user if they need by court order etc?

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Personal information.  Jumio collects a wide range of personal information through the Services.  This information varies depending on the Jumio application and the Third-Party Data Controller in question, but may include such information as name, physical address, email address, telephone number, social security number, driver’s license number, state or national ID card number, passport number, other ID card number, credit or debit card number, CVV, expiration date, and/or date of birth.  In some cases, Jumio may collect a visually scanned or photographed image of your face and/or your identification card, driver’s license, passport, utility bill, bank account statement, insurance card, or credit/debit card.  This image may include your photograph and other information from the imaged document, such as your eye color, weight, height, and organ donor status.
https://www.jumio.com/legal-information/privacy-policy/jumio-inc-privacy-policy-for-online-services/

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January 22, 2018, 12:42:05 AM
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Some advice after running the real name attestation for a few days.

- read the instructions.  They are long but everything is important.

Two most frequent mistakes:
1. make sure you are in a single address wallet.  If not, switch to one.  If it doesn't exist, create it.  Fortunately, for all new users, the main wallet is single-address by default.
2. use a document with your ID in Latin characters.  Some countries (e.g. China, Russia) have their national ID cards with the name printed in the national language only.  They don't work.  Use your driver license or the passport you use to travel abroad.

- when scanning your ID, make sure there is no glare from reflected light, especially if your ID has a glossy surface.  Otherwise, Jumio can't read it.


Also, when you are referring someone, be prepared to babysit them a bit to ensure the best experience.

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