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December 12, 2016, 05:09:06 PM |
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Dwarfpool is a good pool, but for zcash a small pool. 18 blocks found in the last 24hours. A small pool could be unlucky and your payouts will be small. What matters in the end is not the statistics on the server, but what you get payed in the end..
In the long run. Actually, Dwarf came too late. 24 hours ago its hash rate was around 1,000,000 and it found ~10 blocks/24h. Now it already is 1,599,004 (1.6 times increase) and 18 blocks/24h. If more people switch, the more blocks will be found per 24h. I'll most likely move my mini-farm to Dwarfpool. Flypool seems either somewhat broken or shady to me. 'bad luck' over long time with 200 blocks/24 hour is either bad code, bad connections or 'something else'
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December 12, 2016, 05:09:40 PM |
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Added more samples to OP for encrypted connection:
miningpoolhub SSL/TLS connection (this pool detects encryption automatically so it uses same port as for unencrypted connection): ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://us-east.equihash-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20570 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword
coinmine SSL/TLS connection: ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://zec.coinmine.pl:7017 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword
On this topic. What pool do people see the most consistent earning with? Seems flypool has ran on 'bad luck' (if you believe that) for weeks now. Getting sort of tired of it.Dwarfpool FTW!
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December 12, 2016, 05:12:11 PM |
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I would really love if someone could help me with an annoying issue.
I really dont know if it is the miner causing it, windows, or maybe the GPU...
For some reason, after a couple of hours mining perfectly, one gpu drops its mem clock from whatever stock setting it is to 300, which causes that gpu to mine a 1/5 % of the speed, usually around 47 sols/s (amd 470 4 gb modded). so I am constantly having to reinstall drivers, patch, etc, to get it work normally again, since simple restarts do not solve the problem.
I am using 6x 470 4gb cards, z97 gaming 5 mobo, 8gb ram, windows 8.1
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IOTUSA
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December 12, 2016, 05:13:39 PM |
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I would really love if someone could help me with an annoying issue.
I really dont know if it is the miner causing it, windows, or maybe the GPU...
For some reason, after a couple of hours mining perfectly, one gpu drops its mem clock from whatever stock setting it is to 300, which causes that gpu to mine a 1/5 % of the speed, usually around 47 sols/s (amd 470 4 gb modded). so I am constantly having to reinstall drivers, patch, etc, to get it work normally again, since simple restarts do not solve the problem.
I am using 6x 470 4gb cards, z97 gaming 5 mobo, 8gb ram, windows 8.1
Do you have a screen plugged in (or dummy plug)? If it's the 'out card' it could be a restful state issue that your power management is forcing the card into.
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December 12, 2016, 05:16:08 PM |
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criticisms and suggestions to the developer is a natural thing, but please do not outrageous Dont let Claymore became discouraged do not let the same thing happen again at the long time a go developers who are able and willing to share the software is lost and no longer willing to distribute software
do not ever think about their profits, just think how much profit we earn
perhaps still remember with Wolfo
I am so confused with the calculation of profit for their fees from the service providers, software (miner), pools and ending in exchange when the goal is BTC
it is easier for a beginner like me to use nicehash service to calculate profits
please help me to calculate
miner illustration I have a top speed of 200 s / h
dev fee, pools fee and when PO fee, exchange fee
How much I earn BTC per day
and how to ZEC solo mining
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xeridea
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December 12, 2016, 05:17:33 PM |
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verson 9 is useless it power down my computer so it is time to move to something else since it is not profitable with version 8
That's exactly why few people wrote here that hash rate race is not good if no explicit reasons for that since it does not increase profit but decreases it due to power bills. No one listened, now it is the result: more power, more expensive PSU setup, etc. And not more profit :-) Many sites use SSL, including all google sites, and any shopping site, or generally whenever you login to anything. There may be hundreds of kilobytes, or even megabytes to load a page, and everything is still really fast.
Don't mix a warm with a soft (mining with shopping). When ETH dual miner was created, Claymore changed its default intensity from 16 to 8 to save few ms only. These ms cost some stale shares since after share is calculated, it should be delivered in time. Using -i 16 created larger jobs from CPU to GPU which can't be stopped until finished, and even those ms were important. Now we talk about Zcash, it has slower block time, but solutions itself are huge comparing to ETH ones (around 1300 bytes vs 50 for ETH), and all this now is encrypted in addition. So you have exactly the same case, but for some reason no one is concerned with it like it was for ETH. Someone tells no one will see their addresses via SSL. If you are paranoid, you should not use exchange addresses. Install zcashd, mine to t-addr and move all to z-addr, send to an exchange t-addr, and no one will know who you are. No one except you will even know from what z-address funds came to the exchange. This is what Zcash was created for. You do not need SSL for that at all. Use right tools for particular task. I understand that 90% people here are home miners, they never read about Zcash: what is it and how it works. Still, it provides 100% security if you are paranoid and use it right. Without any encryption or closed source. That is the brilliant part of Zcash that is undervalued yet. I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without. You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't. Answer size is less than packet size, even before compression (SSL or not, data can be compressed). SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it. It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it. Ethereum block time is 10x shorter, so smaller ms differences will increase stales/uncles. If you are worried about stale shares, lower your share difficulty, SSL adds ~0ms. Or get Google Fiber.
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Profitability over time charts for many GPUs - http://xeridea.us/chartsBTC: bc1qr2xwjwfmjn43zhrlp6pn7vwdjrjnv5z0anhjhn LTC: LXDm6sR4dkyqtEWfUbPumMnVEiUFQvxSbZ Eth: 0x44cCe2cf90C8FEE4C9e4338Ae7049913D4F6fC24
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IOTUSA
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December 12, 2016, 05:20:21 PM |
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verson 9 is useless it power down my computer so it is time to move to something else since it is not profitable with version 8
That's exactly why few people wrote here that hash rate race is not good if no explicit reasons for that since it does not increase profit but decreases it due to power bills. No one listened, now it is the result: more power, more expensive PSU setup, etc. And not more profit :-) Many sites use SSL, including all google sites, and any shopping site, or generally whenever you login to anything. There may be hundreds of kilobytes, or even megabytes to load a page, and everything is still really fast.
Don't mix a warm with a soft (mining with shopping). When ETH dual miner was created, Claymore changed its default intensity from 16 to 8 to save few ms only. These ms cost some stale shares since after share is calculated, it should be delivered in time. Using -i 16 created larger jobs from CPU to GPU which can't be stopped until finished, and even those ms were important. Now we talk about Zcash, it has slower block time, but solutions itself are huge comparing to ETH ones (around 1300 bytes vs 50 for ETH), and all this now is encrypted in addition. So you have exactly the same case, but for some reason no one is concerned with it like it was for ETH. Someone tells no one will see their addresses via SSL. If you are paranoid, you should not use exchange addresses. Install zcashd, mine to t-addr and move all to z-addr, send to an exchange t-addr, and no one will know who you are. No one except you will even know from what z-address funds came to the exchange. This is what Zcash was created for. You do not need SSL for that at all. Use right tools for particular task. I understand that 90% people here are home miners, they never read about Zcash: what is it and how it works. Still, it provides 100% security if you are paranoid and use it right. Without any encryption or closed source. That is the brilliant part of Zcash that is undervalued yet. I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without. You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't. Answer size is less than packet size, even before compression (SSL or not, data can be compressed). SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it. It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it. Ethereum block time is 10x shorter, so smaller ms differences will increase stales/uncles. If you are worried about stale shares, lower your share difficulty, SSL adds ~0ms. Or get Google Fiber. People can use what they want. If 9 or 9.1 doesn't work well, don't use it. I have been staying on 8 because of increased power draw and concerns that I would have to alter my PSU configuration, fine with me.
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December 12, 2016, 05:36:26 PM |
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I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without. You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't. .. Or get Google Fiber.
Reject rate and latency heavily depend on your internet link. You are absolutely correct when you have a "Google Fiber". But don't forget that not everyone can get fiber at all, and some people still have to use GPRS (not me). Answer size is less than packet size Did you measure it? I did. In ETH - yes, in ZEC - answer size ranges from 1360 to 1490 bytes per share. It is almost Ethernet frame. SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it. It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it. I don't use it. But there are reports even here about long share pings over SSL. It was not me. Probably, not all have Google Fiber :-) Again, let's talk about facts only, SSL encryptions adds nothing to miners apart the ability to hide t-address they mine to. Still, it does not hide the fact that IP X connects to IP Y port Z, where a pool is located. So IP X does mining. If someone is concerned, they will find a way to get more details. Security by obscurity never was good. Zcash adds an unique option of z-addrs, and this quite solves the issue of privacy. It still does not hide the fact that you mine at pool Y, but there is no overhead. Finally, it is ok when you have a choice. But when it is your choice, and you are not "forced" to use SSL due to lower dev fee. That's it.
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December 12, 2016, 05:44:56 PM |
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I would really love if someone could help me with an annoying issue.
I really dont know if it is the miner causing it, windows, or maybe the GPU...
For some reason, after a couple of hours mining perfectly, one gpu drops its mem clock from whatever stock setting it is to 300, which causes that gpu to mine a 1/5 % of the speed, usually around 47 sols/s (amd 470 4 gb modded). so I am constantly having to reinstall drivers, patch, etc, to get it work normally again, since simple restarts do not solve the problem.
I am using 6x 470 4gb cards, z97 gaming 5 mobo, 8gb ram, windows 8.1
Do you have a screen plugged in (or dummy plug)? If it's the 'out card' it could be a restful state issue that your power management is forcing the card into. HI! yes, i keep a screen plugged in all the time. I always use the same port to connect the pc to the scree, i think its the first 16x port, I think it is also the only one that allows me to enter the BIOS settings.
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kurbeks
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December 12, 2016, 06:14:25 PM |
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Around 180 sol/s for Radeon 280. 9.1 Version. Went up from 170 on 8.0 version
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December 12, 2016, 06:15:57 PM |
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I get 0.08% rejects with SSL, which is about the same as without. You are assuming SSL adds a large overhead, it doesn't. .. Or get Google Fiber.
Reject rate and latency heavily depend on your internet link. You are absolutely correct when you have a "Google Fiber". But don't forget that not everyone can get fiber at all, and some people still have to use GPRS (not me). Answer size is less than packet size Did you measure it? I did. In ETH - yes, in ZEC - answer size ranges from 1360 to 1490 bytes per share. It is almost Ethernet frame. SSL overhead is extremely negligible, you are overly worried. If you don't like SSL, or still think it's slower, though have no actual valid reasons, don't use it. It is there as an option. No one is forcing you to use it. I don't use it. But there are reports even here about long share pings over SSL. It was not me. Probably, not all have Google Fiber :-) Again, let's talk about facts only, SSL encryptions adds nothing to miners apart the ability to hide t-address they mine to. Still, it does not hide the fact that IP X connects to IP Y port Z, where a pool is located. So IP X does mining. If someone is concerned, they will find a way to get more details. Security by obscurity never was good. Zcash adds an unique option of z-addrs, and this quite solves the issue of privacy. It still does not hide the fact that you mine at pool Y, but there is no overhead. Finally, it is ok when you have a choice. But when it is your choice, and you are not "forced" to use SSL due to lower dev fee. That's it. I don't have Google Fiber, I have Comcast (bleh). I mine to Europe server, which is ~80ms ping higher than the US server for same pool. My reject rate is 0.08%, so obviously ping isn't a huge factor like you say. Reject isn't significantly altered by 80ms, so 0ms for SSL clearly wouldn't matter that much. 0.5% reduced fee vs 0.08% reject rate (assuming in perfect non SSL you got 0.00% reject....). Either way, you still aren't forced to use it. SSL doesn't necessarily add anything to miners, but there are no drawbacks.
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Profitability over time charts for many GPUs - http://xeridea.us/chartsBTC: bc1qr2xwjwfmjn43zhrlp6pn7vwdjrjnv5z0anhjhn LTC: LXDm6sR4dkyqtEWfUbPumMnVEiUFQvxSbZ Eth: 0x44cCe2cf90C8FEE4C9e4338Ae7049913D4F6fC24
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December 12, 2016, 07:22:26 PM |
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %
So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) 1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better...
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December 12, 2016, 07:27:00 PM |
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %
So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) 1070 can do 300 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better... AMD is better in terms of $/hash, that's all they have right now until Vega comes out. I don't consider nVidia to be a better option, just too expensive for nothing. They will be easier to resell, though.
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December 12, 2016, 07:34:36 PM |
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1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better...
This has been discussed to death in multiple threads. AMD == better ROI. If you don't care about about ROI and just want to get the fastest possible hash rate while using the least amount of power, go Nvidia. Can we move along.
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December 12, 2016, 07:38:17 PM |
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Added more samples to OP for encrypted connection:
miningpoolhub SSL/TLS connection (this pool detects encryption automatically so it uses same port as for unencrypted connection): ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://us-east.equihash-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20570 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword
coinmine SSL/TLS connection: ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://zec.coinmine.pl:7017 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword
On this topic. What pool do people see the most consistent earning with? Seems flypool has ran on 'bad luck' (if you believe that) for weeks now. Getting sort of tired of it.Tried several - suprnova and coinmine I like most
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December 12, 2016, 07:43:28 PM |
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %
So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) 1070 can do 300 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better... AMD is better in terms of $/hash, that's all they have right now until Vega comes out. I don't consider nVidia to be a better option, just too expensive for nothing. They will be easier to resell, though. how it's better? a 480 can do only 200 sol against 370 sol, even if a 1070 cost double(you can always buy second hand) they are there 1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better...
This has been discussed to death in multiple threads. AMD == better ROI. If you don't care about about ROI and just want to get the fastest possible hash rate while using the least amount of power, go Nvidia. Can we move along. the point is, that what you said was never true, just nvidia wasn't optimized, look now a 1070 can reach 370 sol at better consumption than amd
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December 12, 2016, 07:50:39 PM |
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %
So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) 1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better... Could you show us how you achieve 310S/s with 100W consumption? Thank you. P.S. I have EVGA 1070 founders edition.
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December 12, 2016, 08:16:32 PM |
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Added more samples to OP for encrypted connection:
miningpoolhub SSL/TLS connection (this pool detects encryption automatically so it uses same port as for unencrypted connection): ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://us-east.equihash-hub.miningpoolhub.com:20570 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword
coinmine SSL/TLS connection: ZecMiner64.exe -zpool ssl://zec.coinmine.pl:7017 -zwal YourLogin.YourWorkerName -zpsw YourWorkerPassword
NOPE it does NOT apply to devfees ! it changes to SSL to "secure" the fees ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) then when devfee round ends it goes back to so called unsecure. all this while mining has been around for so long WITHOUT SSL at all. imo, not needed. heh, for sake of arguments, go look & see at all MUCH bigger BTC pools. as many said, end of the day, it's just basically a deal btwn the creator & pool made ssl & secures the fees. no harm about it. good job. release next STABLE version. ** to DWARFPOOL** I hope you don't go into the so called SSL "secured" thing. More are coming to support your pool as it is a MUCH better pool without SSL all this while.
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December 12, 2016, 08:17:43 PM |
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EWBF miner 300 h/s 1080 61 C.... total power 73 %
So what...? With the price a 1080 cost I could get 3-4 rx470 so 600 to 800 sols/s ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) 1070 can do 310 sol with 100watt, or 370 sol with 150watt, that is better than any amd out there, i'm still laughing thinking that there are poeple that believe amd is better... Could you show us how you achieve 310S/s with 100W consumption? Thank you. P.S. I have EVGA 1070 founders edition. do 55%tdp 120 core 400mem, if you can increase mem even further it will give even better result
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