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January 02, 2014, 05:36:23 AM
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speaking of scrypt miners... and 24k.  I have had over 20k in my shed 24/7 for 2.5 years..  22k most of the time... lots of bug crunching and cigar smoke... they just keep going..

buy good PSU's and keep the clocks down...  41Mh ltc right now.

house is 200amp, as most are .. even many of the old 100 ampers are being upgraded.

3/4 of your entire primary breaker goes to scrypt mining? Stout! haha

not quite 3/4  .. wired most of the psu's to 220, so that lowers the amps.

Yeah, I'll be doing much better on power costs with a switch to large 240v server power supplies.

I dont think you have to switch.. MOST psu's on the market will take 220 ...  I actually just wired regular 20amp plugs with 220 and plug my psus right in...just dont plug a light or a fan in that plug!!
Thank you, I know that. I've been running PC power supplies for a while now. I meant switch to server supplies, I've got 12 of them now at 2000 w each, vs who knows how many expensive pc psus.

You really shouldn't wire a house like that, liability issues and all that. Use an industrial plug, wire it to standard splitters.
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January 02, 2014, 05:39:19 AM
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back to KNC... is KNC going to offer in stock sales?  do they have any current models coming for sale soon?

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January 02, 2014, 05:40:06 AM
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You really shouldn't wire a house like that, liability issues and all that. Use an industrial plug, wire it to standard splitters.

its out in the barn...Smiley where all the air is.

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January 02, 2014, 05:45:54 AM
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W.r.t. Heat I had to share a hotel room with one of the nov boxes on to check it survived the flight. Fell asleep and woke up covered in sweat. I can't imagine what Cyphers house is like right now.

I also spent a night fixing dead boxes in the DC for the hosting on an occasion. October kit only, was a month or two back. In any case aside the monotonous hum. I had to take a break and grab water every hour. Even with aircon in the building it was hot hot hot.

24Kw in summer will just compound the heat...

EDIT: just saw what Bogart wrote as I posted. Most of the US households are not 240V and 200 Amps though.

Depends. That is actually the standard for single family dwellings and duplexes, since 1973. However, a lot of apartments now run 150 amp. 240v in is standard, to make it possible to run a dryer and a stove. A lot of mobile homes have a 100 amp service, and a few older aparments. The one I'm in is ten years old and an "economy" unit. (read low income housing). It's main is 125 amps/240v. That's kind of weird, actually, but I've seen it before. 150 is much more common in apartments built in the last thirty years, 100 before that. Most houses, unless really old or in the People's Republic of Pennsylvania, are 200amp/240v.

I should also note that upgrading a single family dwelling to a 300 amp service is easy and relatively cheap. By comparison to the price of your mining machines, it's damn near free. All told, if you do the work yourself, probably less than 500 dollars including inspection fees and the upgraded meter fee. Adding circuits can be difficult if you want to keep them concealed in walls, but if you were powering a shed or something like that, just run a line in a 24" to 36" trench to the shed and leave the inside wiring exposed. There's no added danger from this, and if you have neat hands it looks cool. It's also easy to just run a second line of service to an outbuilding.

The theory behind electrical load calculations and such is complicated and scary if you aren't an electrician or a mathematician. The actual mechanics of it are simple as hell.

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January 02, 2014, 06:10:17 AM
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.

I'm not one for donations but if you must go ahead and I will keep you in mind. =)
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.
What disregard now?? Geez.
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.

I signed up for the F5 updates on their website

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January 02, 2014, 06:59:04 AM
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Could the question of Jupiter sales if and when have anything to do with some customer trying to buy up as many as possible?  We see photos of major hashing facilities where were they, in Hong Kong and Iceland?  Those big facilities can operate on a thin margin and make a good profit while that same rate of return for small miners would be a big disappointment. But how would that lack of information limit sales to a buyer with the money, it wouldn't.

For the last time the piece on a facility in Iceland was Cloud Hashing. They had a big order in the beginning and have not been sold anything more than what was in that initial order.

So Cloud Hashing hasn't ordered any Neptune's?  Any other similar operations ordering a giant amount of Neptune's going forward?

I can't say they have 0 orders for Neptunes but they jumped in heavy with Cointerra this time, building a new Data Center right by Cointerr'a TX facilities. If anyone has the luxury of making the decision today Cointerra would probably be the best bet at the moment, 2TH/s in January is a solid play.

yeah my assumption if cointerra does start shipping jan 15th in a reasonable mass amount ..then I think knc will release more jupiters in the wild aggressively priced (by that I mean less then bfl's monarch supposedly feb at 2.5k...kill bfl please 1.5k Jupiter would do that)

anyway....

if cointerra just trickles stuff out in dribs etc etc ..and not much is seen before Feb of any competitor ..I myself doubt knc will release any jupiters in the wild if they have an aggressive get the neptunes out by april 1st plan

but then again if they do ship them last gasp of jupiters ..;price them dirt cheap ....break even only....bury some of these scam asic sompanies like bfl and such......that's would I'd do....to protect the knc market share...bury em.....imho.....

(of course they ..knc that is...seem nicer then most of us here..imho unlikely..they will do that ....but hey a guy can dream)

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So we small miners might be mining bitcoins looking like toy sales in the small neighborhood candy store while a Toy-R-Us and a Walmart are under construction on the same block.

This is what myself and a handful of others have been saying for quite awhile now. Are you just now seeing the writing on the wall?

There is a limit to the amount of hardware households can sustain. Neptune in theory is currently the ceiling until another full step down in process node to sub 14nm, as it's power consumption may limit one device per household mains. Then of course you have the amount of hashing power to remain competitive to contend with. It inevitably will have to be housed in a datacentre.


that's my question in usa you have 30amp circuits 220v for stoves and clothes dryers etc

you also have 220 volt circuits which are essentially 2 20 amp circuits (wire) on a 20 amp breaker

so which kind of 220v we talking about here ...30amp wire or 20amp wire?

I have a 100amp service...(no central air or furnace or heat ...just boiler heat only ie small pump)

so I could easy put in 3 220v 20amp breaker circuits in for 2 Neptunes and 1 220v for a kick as window air unit to cool them....

if you are talking 220v 30 amp the kind of stuff you use for stove or clothes dryer that could be a streach (although who needs as stove or clean clothes?)

anyway others who have looked into this from the USA end...which of these is the more likely scenario?

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So we small miners might be mining bitcoins looking like toy sales in the small neighborhood candy store while a Toy-R-Us and a Walmart are under construction on the same block.

This is what myself and a handful of others have been saying for quite awhile now. Are you just now seeing the writing on the wall?

There is a limit to the amount of hardware households can sustain. Neptune in theory is currently the ceiling until another full step down in process node to sub 14nm, as it's power consumption may limit one device per household mains. Then of course you have the amount of hashing power to remain competitive to contend with. It inevitably will have to be housed in a datacentre.


that's my question in usa you have 30amp circuits 220v for stoves and clothes dryers etc

you also have 220 volt circuits which are essentially 2 20 amp circuits (wire) on a 20 amp breaker

so which kind of 220v we talking about here ...30amp wire or 20amp wire?

I have a 100amp service...(no central air or furnace or heat ...just boiler heat only ie small pump)

so I could easy put in 3 220v 20amp breaker circuits in for 2 Neptunes and 1 220v for a kick as window air unit to cool them....

if you are talking 220v 30 amp the kind of stuff you use for stove or clothes dryer that could be a streach (although who needs as stove or clean clothes?)

anyway others who have looked into this from the USA end...which of these is the more likely scenario?

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If it was me, I'd upgrade the service. Your meter is almost certainly a 200 amp, as most of them are, and a 200 amp main service is cheap. Wire in the new breakers exactly the same as the old ones, and you're set.

And yes, 220/240v nominal for dryers and stoves and such is the same. Different plugs, sometimes, but that's a simple receptacle. Just get the one you need for your device. All of this is available at Lowes, Home depot and such. At a minimum, I'd go up to 150 just for the larger panel space. The wiring is simple, and there are a number of good books on the subject that take a complete newbie through the basics of house wiring. Depending on your jurisdiction, you'll need to get it inspected once the panel change is finished. For any 20 amp circuits, I'd say a minimum of 12ga wire, bigger is better for safety, but not cost. Overkill on capacity is not a bad thing when you're running a high draw device.

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Does anyone notice that their miners generally runs better until the first flushwork?

I get around 1% HW errors, and after a flushwork occurs, it shoots up to 3-4%. The HW ticker goes from 1-7 a jump to upwards of 50 a jump.

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So we small miners might be mining bitcoins looking like toy sales in the small neighborhood candy store while a Toy-R-Us and a Walmart are under construction on the same block.

This is what myself and a handful of others have been saying for quite awhile now. Are you just now seeing the writing on the wall?

There is a limit to the amount of hardware households can sustain. Neptune in theory is currently the ceiling until another full step down in process node to sub 14nm, as it's power consumption may limit one device per household mains. Then of course you have the amount of hashing power to remain competitive to contend with. It inevitably will have to be housed in a datacentre.


that's my question in usa you have 30amp circuits 220v for stoves and clothes dryers etc

you also have 220 volt circuits which are essentially 2 20 amp circuits (wire) on a 20 amp breaker

so which kind of 220v we talking about here ...30amp wire or 20amp wire?

I have a 100amp service...(no central air or furnace or heat ...just boiler heat only ie small pump)

so I could easy put in 3 220v 20amp breaker circuits in for 2 Neptunes and 1 220v for a kick as window air unit to cool them....

if you are talking 220v 30 amp the kind of stuff you use for stove or clothes dryer that could be a streach (although who needs as stove or clean clothes?)

anyway others who have looked into this from the USA end...which of these is the more likely scenario?

Searing


If it was me, I'd upgrade the service. Your meter is almost certainly a 200 amp, as most of them are, and a 200 amp main service is cheap. Wire in the new breakers exactly the same as the old ones, and you're set.

And yes, 220/240v nominal for dryers and stoves and such is the same. Different plugs, sometimes, but that's a simple receptacle. Just get the one you need for your device. All of this is available at Lowes, Home depot and such. At a minimum, I'd go up to 150 just for the larger panel space. The wiring is simple, and there are a number of good books on the subject that take a complete newbie through the basics of house wiring. Depending on your jurisdiction, you'll need to get it inspected once the panel change is finished. For any 20 amp circuits, I'd say a minimum of 12ga wire, bigger is better for safety, but not cost. Overkill on capacity is not a bad thing when you're running a high draw device.

well my jurisdiction....the util company will cut off power but will not turn on power again unless all panel work is done by licensed electrican and inspected also before power is resumed..so you have to have the electrician do it..and the inspector there later in the day..or you get no power back..also to go from 100amp to 200amp it is 2.5k for both the util to do this the inspector and the electrican to swap the panel etc ..this is in Minnesota...so no easy out for me (also in town may have had better luck if just dealing out in the county)

so sucks

oh and this does not count if the util has to run a bigger feed 100' from the util pole to the house (ie replace that wire) that is extra and my cost as well

so screwed

but again 100amp new panel etc....no house wide a/c or house wide forced air furnace..so I likely COULD  run 2 Neptunes and a 220w a/c unit upstairs in the window ...if they are all standard 220v 20 amp circuits...BUT if they are 220amp 30 amp needed like for stove  and dryer I'm screwed....the lack of forced air furnace and  with house wide a/c  (gas boiler with small pump for heat) I should probably be ok with what I have ..but a 100amp house with a standard forced air furnace and a/c ...........well that would be a stretch

anyway these prices are from 2yrs ago when I just had a panel replaced from 12 circuit to 28circuit (that cost me 500 bucks just to swap the panel same deal as above)

anyway just for those in usa with minimal use 100amp like myself.....that is how I figure it so far .if I did have to get a new service beyond 100amp would probably go whole hog and get like 300amp or some such rather then simply 200amp (of course that could be also way out even more in price don't know) but just saying

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Does anyone notice that their miners generally runs better until the first flushwork?

I get around 1% HW errors, and after a flushwork occurs, it shoots up to 3-4%. The HW ticker goes from 1-7 a jump to upwards of 50 a jump.

Longpool/work restart signal (that's what causing flushwork to be done) rate is varying from 30s on p2pool to couple of minutes on other pools. Miners are designed to work 24/7 without restarting. You looked at stats from minute or two, which means absolutely nothing and can't tell overall device performance.

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well my jurisdiction....the util company will cut off power but will not turn on power again unless all panel work is done by licensed electrican and inspected also before power is resumed..so you have to have the electrician do it..and the inspector there later in the day..or you get no power back..also to go from 100amp to 200amp it is 2.5k for both the util to do this the inspector and the electrican to swap the panel etc ..this is in Minnesota...so no easy out for me (also in town may have had better luck if just dealing out in the county)

In my jurisdiction 2.5k is probably what you'd need to slip under the table to the inspector to get him to show up on the same day. It was much easier for me to lease a small warehouse that happened to be pre-wired with 600 Amp service.
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I asked KnC in mid-December about hosting of Neptunes and its power consumption, and they replied:

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2) We dont have any details about hosting Neptune yet.
3) We dont have more details about how much power Neptune gone need. We will post all those details into our webpage close to the shipping date. Thanks!

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So we small miners might be mining bitcoins looking like toy sales in the small neighborhood candy store while a Toy-R-Us and a Walmart are under construction on the same block.

This is what myself and a handful of others have been saying for quite awhile now. Are you just now seeing the writing on the wall?

There is a limit to the amount of hardware households can sustain. Neptune in theory is currently the ceiling until another full step down in process node to sub 14nm, as it's power consumption may limit one device per household mains. Then of course you have the amount of hashing power to remain competitive to contend with. It inevitably will have to be housed in a datacentre.


that's my question in usa you have 30amp circuits 220v for stoves and clothes dryers etc

you also have 220 volt circuits which are essentially 2 20 amp circuits (wire) on a 20 amp breaker

so which kind of 220v we talking about here ...30amp wire or 20amp wire?

I have a 100amp service...(no central air or furnace or heat ...just boiler heat only ie small pump)

so I could easy put in 3 220v 20amp breaker circuits in for 2 Neptunes and 1 220v for a kick as window air unit to cool them....

if you are talking 220v 30 amp the kind of stuff you use for stove or clothes dryer that could be a streach (although who needs as stove or clean clothes?)

anyway others who have looked into this from the USA end...which of these is the more likely scenario?

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If it was me, I'd upgrade the service. Your meter is almost certainly a 200 amp, as most of them are, and a 200 amp main service is cheap. Wire in the new breakers exactly the same as the old ones, and you're set.

And yes, 220/240v nominal for dryers and stoves and such is the same. Different plugs, sometimes, but that's a simple receptacle. Just get the one you need for your device. All of this is available at Lowes, Home depot and such. At a minimum, I'd go up to 150 just for the larger panel space. The wiring is simple, and there are a number of good books on the subject that take a complete newbie through the basics of house wiring. Depending on your jurisdiction, you'll need to get it inspected once the panel change is finished. For any 20 amp circuits, I'd say a minimum of 12ga wire, bigger is better for safety, but not cost. Overkill on capacity is not a bad thing when you're running a high draw device.

well my jurisdiction....the util company will cut off power but will not turn on power again unless all panel work is done by licensed electrican and inspected also before power is resumed..so you have to have the electrician do it..and the inspector there later in the day..or you get no power back..also to go from 100amp to 200amp it is 2.5k for both the util to do this the inspector and the electrican to swap the panel etc ..this is in Minnesota...so no easy out for me (also in town may have had better luck if just dealing out in the county)

so sucks

oh and this does not count if the util has to run a bigger feed 100' from the util pole to the house (ie replace that wire) that is extra and my cost as well

so screwed

but again 100amp new panel etc....no house wide a/c or house wide forced air furnace..so I likely COULD  run 2 Neptunes and a 220w a/c unit upstairs in the window ...if they are all standard 220v 20 amp circuits...BUT if they are 220amp 30 amp needed like for stove  and dryer I'm screwed....the lack of forced air furnace and  with house wide a/c  (gas boiler with small pump for heat) I should probably be ok with what I have ..but a 100amp house with a standard forced air furnace and a/c ...........well that would be a stretch

anyway these prices are from 2yrs ago when I just had a panel replaced from 12 circuit to 28circuit (that cost me 500 bucks just to swap the panel same deal as above)

anyway just for those in usa with minimal use 100amp like myself.....that is how I figure it so far .if I did have to get a new service beyond 100amp would probably go whole hog and get like 300amp or some such rather then simply 200amp (of course that could be also way out even more in price don't know) but just saying

Searing
 

Down here in the rural south whoever wired the local mobile homes likely was selling driveway rejuvination with black paint instead of tar when not wiring.  Lots of mobile homes put in about the same time all have shallow wells as the choice to accept municipal water only came about a decade or so ago.  To keep the wells from tripping the 100 amp service they put in a multiple breaker box next to the main 100 amp breaker box on the pole but wired it to the main input rather than the output so the well box goes directly to the power meter as it were - that way the 100amp main won't trip from the well.  Looking inside you see slots for 10 or more breakers and only the one double for the well occupied but if you go to add a breaker for a shed you find you can't kill the power to the box without the power company pulling the meter and shutting down the home completely.

And to get it fixed you don't bribe the inspector you have whoever is doing the electrical repair describe in detail to the inspector where in their family trees they are related.



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Here's a blatant divergence from the thread.  What the author describes should be good for Bitcoin however.  He get annoyed at Happy New Years wishes and decries disasters that might befall the world and the US in the coming year.  When he gets to the US economy he postulates:

"  But even sooner than a nuclear disaster, we may be facing an even more critical economic disaster -- the catastrophic loss of the dollar’s unique position as the international reserve currency. This is imminent, according to leading economic and political analysts, and would trigger a total collapse of the U.S. banking system, generating explosive financial panic as we are subjected – not only to massive inflation – but also the immediate seizure by failing banks of all our deposits: checking accounts, savings accounts, Certificates of Deposit (CDs), money market funds, pensions, and any other liquid assets. Can failing banks really seize our money “just like that”? Yep, just like that. It is perfectly legal; the enabling “bail-in” laws have already been put on the books in the U.S. and Europe (did you sleep through that?).

 

And don’t think the FDIC  will protect your deposits up to the $250,000 limit promised by this agency. For when the failing banks seize your deposits, they will convert your money into stock in their failed institutions, rendering you “legally compensated” for your loss, and therefore not entitled to reimbursement  by the FDIC. Not that it will matter because, by that time, the FDIC will be bankrupt, since it has reserves of only $25 billion, whereas the seized deposits requiring compensation would likely exceed $25 trillion. And even if the FDIC could lay its hands on $25 trillion (fat chance, since this is nearly twice the entire Gross Domestic Product of the United States), another statute now  on the books, namely the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005, which was arm-twisted into law by Citigroup, JP Morgan, Chase,  Wells Fargo and the rest of the usual suspects (bet you slept through that, too), compels the FDIC to give preference to derivatives counter-parties over mere depositors like yourself, whose claims for reimbursement could exceed $600 trillion – or more than the GDP of the entire world economy. "




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January 02, 2014, 04:58:19 PM
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Here's a blatant divergence from the thread.  What the author describes should be good for Bitcoin however.  He get annoyed at Happy New Years wishes and decries disasters that might befall the world and the US in the coming year.  When he gets to the US economy he postulates:

"  But even sooner than a nuclear disaster, we may be facing an even more critical economic disaster -- the catastrophic loss of the dollar’s unique position as the international reserve currency. This is imminent, according to leading economic and political analysts, and would trigger a total collapse of the U.S. banking system, generating explosive financial panic as we are subjected – not only to massive inflation – but also the immediate seizure by failing banks of all our deposits: checking accounts, savings accounts, Certificates of Deposit (CDs), money market funds, pensions, and any other liquid assets. Can failing banks really seize our money “just like that”? Yep, just like that. It is perfectly legal; the enabling “bail-in” laws have already been put on the books in the U.S. and Europe (did you sleep through that?).

 

And don’t think the FDIC  will protect your deposits up to the $250,000 limit promised by this agency. For when the failing banks seize your deposits, they will convert your money into stock in their failed institutions, rendering you “legally compensated” for your loss, and therefore not entitled to reimbursement  by the FDIC. Not that it will matter because, by that time, the FDIC will be bankrupt, since it has reserves of only $25 billion, whereas the seized deposits requiring compensation would likely exceed $25 trillion. And even if the FDIC could lay its hands on $25 trillion (fat chance, since this is nearly twice the entire Gross Domestic Product of the United States), another statute now  on the books, namely the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005, which was arm-twisted into law by Citigroup, JP Morgan, Chase,  Wells Fargo and the rest of the usual suspects (bet you slept through that, too), compels the FDIC to give preference to derivatives counter-parties over mere depositors like yourself, whose claims for reimbursement could exceed $600 trillion – or more than the GDP of the entire world economy. "



Yeah, crazy people silly nonsense...
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.
What disregard now?? Geez.

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Does anyone notice that their miners generally runs better until the first flushwork?

I get around 1% HW errors, and after a flushwork occurs, it shoots up to 3-4%. The HW ticker goes from 1-7 a jump to upwards of 50 a jump.
YES, I noticed that all along...   I think the flush-work....still needs work!
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It seems to "Flush" with every single block detected, and not for just the pool you are on, which causes the errror rate to be higher than it has to be...drastically.
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