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December 28, 2013, 03:32:01 PM
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no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

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December 28, 2013, 03:33:46 PM
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They will ship from stock and be priced competitively I'm sure once HashFast officially launches to their first customers.  No point in shipping until HashFast seems to finally be the real deal.  People there are still waiting on their shit.  Amazing.

Is anyone here mining alts?  How does a person set up their own private pool?  The alts seem so scammy but I'm still curious about them.

Looks like HF is closer than ever now and they appear to have a much faster machine than advertised according to the Eligius address they're using. I still feel bad for those who ordered from batch 1 since it would take 1532Gh/s on Jan 1st to equal the 400gh/s they were promised on October 20th. Regardless, they'll likely start shipping on Monday, which may prompt KnC to take action and sell us more stuff.

https://twitter.com/HashFast/statuses/416846066068520961

Looks like it could be an issue with Eligius


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December 28, 2013, 04:10:53 PM
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Network hashrate has increased 392% since my Mercury arrived.



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December 28, 2013, 04:20:05 PM
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no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

There are three batches, one which they named "existing customers only" and we named "batch 1", one which they named "batch 1" and we named "batch 2" and one which they named "batch 2" and we named "confusion". 1200 units each to a total of 3600 units.
Maybe we should just use the KnC names to make this easier for us all to understand. Existing customers only, batch 1 and batch 2.
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December 28, 2013, 04:40:30 PM
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Yes, I, an existing customer waited too long and found myself in batch 1.

Wouldn't it be nice if for existing customers who found themselves in batch 1 they throw in an upgrade module for the existing customer's Oct or Nov miner, this for the strange price bump then drop.



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December 28, 2013, 04:51:20 PM
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no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

I thought what was listed now was batch 3?  It is just a typo it still says batch 2.
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December 28, 2013, 05:16:53 PM
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no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

Actually the first batch which cost 10k and 13k are the same batch 1 units. KNC just gave their customers a break on the price. Batch 2 is what is currently being sold to everyone for 10k.

So if you weren't already a KNC customer when the batch 1's came out and you paid 13k well that's too bad for you! Smiley But not to worry you'll have your Neptune a lot sooner than I will have my Batch 2 rig, so what's big deal?




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December 28, 2013, 05:19:37 PM
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Hashfast have
Speed somewhere between 700-800 gh
So I think knc must sent at very low price upgraded models
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December 28, 2013, 05:19:45 PM
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I am one happy Avenger that knc don't have any of my cash this time. And I'm looking forward to the new year fireworks!  Wink

lol, some of your statements are so fucking funny (without irony), and yes you are right (again). sorry to leave you here alone against last fragments of KNC fanclub and master shill.) keep going dude.
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December 28, 2013, 05:50:40 PM
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Herp derp...

I'm still trying to figure you out and give you the benefit of the doubt. Do you see yourself as some sort of good Samaritan attempting to protect us, the ignorant people, from big bad KnC? I'm quite sure we understand the risks we've taken and you know that, so it must be something else...

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December 28, 2013, 06:45:58 PM
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I don't know why people can't count.... but here it is ...
There are THREE batches of Neptunes folks, not two, regardless what Avenger says.
He's always full of misinformation, and if you expect to know what's really going on...
you may be better off totally ignoring his bullshit.

1.The first batch, was called "The customer Appreciation batch", and was priced at 10k, consisted of 1200 units.
       this batch was deemed q1/q2 delivery.
We were then guaranteed time before the next batch here... weeks.

2.The second batch, deemed "General Public Batch one", was 13k, and also was 1200 units, as stated,
will come weeks after the customer batch, also stated to be delivered in Q1/Q2 of 2014.

3."Batch Three" is actually "General Public Batch 2" 10k (being sold now) is yet another 1200 units to be delivered yet a few more weeks after  "in The previous batch.
and this one is marked for delivery solely in Q2 of 2014"

BUT THIS?.....

no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

WRONG and RIGHT at same time......   3 batches   yes 3k extra for gen public batch 1, that's our reward.  Grin
a pretty hefty one too... think about it... 3k less, and weeks earlier than public batch 1


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no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

The diff has been doubling every month...of course the Neps a month later will be about 23% less in price.   (3*100/13)   using "is/of = %/100" method.
Do you really NOT understand all this? Or are you purposefully trying to relay FUD?

There's no "mystery" to the price drops over time.... especially since they did this before with Saturn & Jupiter
The mystery is how you missed the closing out of the first general public batch, and the week they sat "sold out" before offering the current 10k batch.
it makes perfect sense.
Your comments don't.

Think about this for a minute...  do you really want the price to stay the same over time, between batches,  or do you expect it to drop?


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December 28, 2013, 08:51:07 PM
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no one understand why pay 13k and now is 10k

kidding with our money

Because -- boxes delivered later are worth less because they will mine less coin.

The selling price is wet by KNC as to be representative of what they will accomplish. They are not doing a normal markup/margin.
As I pointed out, there are only two batches. First batch priced at 10k (existing customers only). And then the second batch priced at 13k to be delivered 30 days later (which has now mysteriously dropped to 10k). They are in fact charging 3k extra (to those who bought in early December) for something to be delivered 30 days later.

Actually the first batch which cost 10k and 13k are the same batch 1 units. KNC just gave their customers a break on the price. Batch 2 is what is currently being sold to everyone for 10k.

So if you weren't already a KNC customer when the batch 1's came out and you paid 13k well that's too bad for you! Smiley But not to worry you'll have your Neptune a lot sooner than I will have my Batch 2 rig, so what's big deal?
Oh yeah, it is two batches and 3 batches within those two. My mistake. KNC go back and rewrite their newsletters so often, it's hard to keep up Cheesy So their "Second Batch" is their third batch, which is all very clear.

I know a lot of people bought with the mindset they could get a refund any time they want, because knc promised that. But knc are such despicable liars, they retrospectively removed this "promise" from their newsletters after customers bought. I just find it amazing how much lies and greed and contempt for customers knc show and people are still willing to give them their money. It's never going to end well.

I know when I bought, the only people offering advice in this thread were shills, giving biased bs, pretending they were unbiased. I guess I'm just sick of that and offer the other side, even though I get so much abuse from the shills for doing it. Also, I'll feel no guilt at all about laughing when the knobtuners are getting first degree burns in Q2/Q3/Q4. Lot's of "I told you so's" on the horizon  Cheesy

It's a real simple wallet test for me. Would I go to the bathroom and leave my wallet at the table if knc were there? Nope.

On an ongoing basis, they prove how rotten they are. I would not trust them with another dollar, on the basis of my dealings with them in the past and the way they operate.

Don't believe me, you are welcome to believe whatever you want regarding knc. But things are not always as they seem  Wink  Grin


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December 28, 2013, 08:59:26 PM
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hashfast have cheap price
more Ghash
have psu
have coolwater
good case

iam litle sad with knc

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December 28, 2013, 09:01:51 PM
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hashfast have cheap price
more Ghash
have psu
have coolwater
good case

iam litle sad with knc


If you think that in any way Hashfast is a better deal, then you really need to check your facts again.

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December 28, 2013, 09:08:55 PM
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i dont think nothing only see others company wht is problem ?
like see competition

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December 28, 2013, 09:13:06 PM
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knc is the best company

so i think that if hashfast sent to customers 1.2th each bay jet

i think that knc
will sent for free some jupiter to us

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December 28, 2013, 09:13:27 PM
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hashfast have cheap price
more Ghash
have psu
have coolwater
good case

iam litle sad with knc

There are likely many pragmatists here not unwilling to buy GH products but of course having pre-paid for KnC miners and getting a good GH/s/$, or $/GH/s if you prefer, when KnC products are available, the choice of putting down dollars now for batch 3 GigaHash miners that won't be available for 1/4th of a year isn't very enticing.  



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December 28, 2013, 09:24:26 PM
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i dont think nothing only see others company wht is problem ?
like see competition

The problem is its almost 100% fact that they committed fraud just like BFL did.  With promising expensive miners for quick delivery.  Instead of offer the miners at a price that would suit their ship date.  They are already two months late which is drastic in bitcoin mining.  With the difficulty claiming almost 700% in the last three months.  Everyone of their batch one customers has lost a lot of coins.  While I wouldn't be surprised if even there second batch customers due to ship last mont can never make a profit now.  You're either a HF shill or you need to follow the boards a lot more closely.

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December 28, 2013, 09:51:17 PM
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many of HF customers state that they were told clearly that they would get the same amount of BTC back if not delivered by dec 31st.. that and the MPP plan is what allowed those customers to be very smug last summer.

America and China companies lie a lot.   One of the main reasons I went with KNC is they lie much less.


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December 28, 2013, 10:17:37 PM
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hashfast have cheap price
more Ghash
have psu
have coolwater
good case

iam litle sad with knc


I see that HashFast uses 28nm chips, the Neptune uses 20nm chips. So even though the HF is cheaper in the short term down the road you will have spent more on electricity with the HF. And have you ever built a true water cooling PC before? I have, water cooling comes a price too as fans and pumps use energy.

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