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January 03, 2014, 10:16:42 AM
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Hi guys,

I dont post much in this thread if ever. I do have 1 jupiter and thought I had a second procured but the seller has been non responsive (another story I wont go into here.)..

I have read speculation in this thread about lower priced Jupiters but doesnt that hurt the Neptune market?

My questions for you guys are. What do you think KNC will do with the price of a Jupiter if they were to throw another batch out there?

Do you think they would kill the antminer, BFL products with a painfully priced (to bitmain, BFL)
Jupiter?

Or

Do you think they are waiting for the price of BTC to break 900 again and then release painfully priced (to us) Jupiters?

The reason I bring this up is what I saw with Bitfury gear (doubling the price of H-cards) and antminers selling at above 4000 usd equivilent when BTC was sky high.

Look forward to your responses.

Best Regards,



I stated on this thread previously ..that with BFL selling 'vaporware" march at best monarch 600gh cards for 2.5k now ..imho if I was KNC I'd kill the competition and dump whatever is prudent Jupiter units "at cost" or dang near close to it say 1.5K or some such.....just to drive BFL into dust and keep market share for KNC. byt slapping the comptetion down for being late to the party...a good use of "old stock on hand Jupiters in my book" ..then again I always wanted to be "Dr. Evil"...but no real loss to them...slap the other asic companies down... keep market share

but then again I know zip..just saying

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January 03, 2014, 10:23:11 AM
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Hi guys,

I dont post much in this thread if ever. I do have 1 jupiter and thought I had a second procured but the seller has been non responsive (another story I wont go into here.)..

I have read speculation in this thread about lower priced Jupiters but doesnt that hurt the Neptune market?

My questions for you guys are. What do you think KNC will do with the price of a Jupiter if they were to throw another batch out there?

Do you think they would kill the antminer, BFL products with a painfully priced (to bitmain, BFL)
Jupiter?

Or

Do you think they are waiting for the price of BTC to break 900 again and then release painfully priced (to us) Jupiters?

The reason I bring this up is what I saw with Bitfury gear (doubling the price of H-cards) and antminers selling at above 4000 usd equivilent when BTC was sky high.

Look forward to your responses.

Best Regards,



I stated on this thread previously ..that with BFL selling 'vaporware" march at best monarch 600gh cards for 2.5k now ..imho if I was KNC I'd kill the competition and dump whatever is prudent Jupiter units "at cost" or dang near close to it say 1.5K or some such.....just to drive BFL into dust and keep market share for KNC. byt slapping the comptetion down for being late to the party...a good use of "old stock on hand Jupiters in my book" ..then again I always wanted to be "Dr. Evil"...but no real loss to them...slap the other asic companies down... keep market share

but then again I know zip..just saying

Searing


As much as i wish this was true, It wouldn't end up killing BFL. They occupy a hell of a lot of space in terms of marketing, appealing on the broadest of terms. I'd hazard a guess that they're target audience these days is noobs who don't know any better.

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January 03, 2014, 10:35:24 AM
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Hi guys,

I dont post much in this thread if ever. I do have 1 jupiter and thought I had a second procured but the seller has been non responsive (another story I wont go into here.)..

I have read speculation in this thread about lower priced Jupiters but doesnt that hurt the Neptune market?

My questions for you guys are. What do you think KNC will do with the price of a Jupiter if they were to throw another batch out there?

Do you think they would kill the antminer, BFL products with a painfully priced (to bitmain, BFL)
Jupiter?

Or

Do you think they are waiting for the price of BTC to break 900 again and then release painfully priced (to us) Jupiters?

The reason I bring this up is what I saw with Bitfury gear (doubling the price of H-cards) and antminers selling at above 4000 usd equivilent when BTC was sky high.

Look forward to your responses.

Best Regards,



I stated on this thread previously ..that with BFL selling 'vaporware" march at best monarch 600gh cards for 2.5k now ..imho if I was KNC I'd kill the competition and dump whatever is prudent Jupiter units "at cost" or dang near close to it say 1.5K or some such.....just to drive BFL into dust and keep market share for KNC. byt slapping the comptetion down for being late to the party...a good use of "old stock on hand Jupiters in my book" ..then again I always wanted to be "Dr. Evil"...but no real loss to them...slap the other asic companies down... keep market share

but then again I know zip..just saying

Searing


You are correct, sir - but they can also achieve that with a well designed 20nm product. I'd highly prefer they push their whole energy in only one direction: Neptune.... and meanwhile catch up on some other 'worldly' things - e.g. I still did not receive a final invoice for my Neptunes, which is crucial for the tax statement.

Edit: Forgot - maybe they could damage BFL, but not Cointerra, they are serious competition. KnC can only stay ahead with 20nm

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January 03, 2014, 10:57:31 AM
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.
What disregard now?? Geez.

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I have that but I still haven't received whatever recent newsletter went out. And I certainly don't have them under spam.

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January 03, 2014, 11:19:52 AM
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 KnC can only stay ahead with 20nm

This doesn't really make sense..  if you are trying to scrape another $100 a month on each miner from lower power usage then you really have to rethink how much money you thought you were going to make in the first place.

If KNC put their Neptune plans on hold, let those customers switch to newly made Jupiters (or take refund) and ship as many miners in Feb as they can make, they would do fine (and also stay on their word to wait before flooding market)

Remember, Cointerra hasn't proved anything yet.


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January 03, 2014, 11:31:48 AM
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C'mon Sam, I'm a one man F5 DDoS, hoping to see Jupiters on sale before BFLs Monarch sale expires on the 5th...

... though I might need my head read for considering either, now Hashfast starting to ship and Cointerra in final stages of chip production.

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 KnC can only stay ahead with 20nm

This doesn't really make sense..  if you are trying to scrape another $100 a month on each miner from lower power usage then you really have to rethink how much money you thought you were going to make in the first place.

If KNC put their Neptune plans on hold, let those customers switch to newly made Jupiters (or take refund) and ship as many miners in Feb as they can make, they would do fine (and also stay on their word to wait before flooding market)

Remember, Cointerra hasn't proved anything yet.



Yeah - you are right. They had the choice. Optimizing 28nm and doing serious cash now or going for innovation with 20nm and doing maybe even more serious cash later. Safe (28nm) vs. Risky (20nm).

Their business decision was going the (risky) innovative route and I like that. How will turn things out for them? No idea, I dont have a crystal ball at home - I dont know whether R&D expenses and unforeseen problems of 20nm justify the potential 30% power savings. My gut tells me it will be a significant advantage over compitition in 2014/ 2015. Maybe it turns out 20nm is not worth it - we will see. Captain hindsight will provide us the solution soon. My point is, they are still a small company - they decided to go risky 20nm - I decided to go with them. They made the decision, we tied up our money. Stopping that train is not an option any more. They have to put all effort on this now. KnC is all in.

Hashfast already failed majorly - have the feeling Cointerra will not, they seem to have a different level of professionalims. My bet would be KnC and Cointerra are the big players in 2014. Others? Dunno, blackarrow seems lacking customer support, Bitmine seems capable but too small. Bfl - no comment.

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C'mon Sam, I'm a one man F5 DDoS, hoping to see Jupiters on sale before BFLs Monarch sale expires on the 5th...

... though I might need my head read for considering either, now Hashfast starting to ship and Cointerra in final stages of chip production.

Hashfast stopped selling their product due to massive failure  Lips sealed

Edit: Seems like Hashfast will struggle hard to survive the upcoming months - do not order from them

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January 03, 2014, 12:07:50 PM
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.
What disregard now?? Geez.

Subscribe here: at bottom of "Common info: tab


I have that but I still haven't received whatever recent newsletter went out. And I certainly don't have them under spam.

same here
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January 03, 2014, 12:49:20 PM
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?

I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers,  never got this supposed new one.

Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.
What disregard now?? Geez.

Subscribe here: at bottom of "Common info: tab


I have that but I still haven't received whatever recent newsletter went out. And I certainly don't have them under spam.

Dude, if you even bothered to check the site...
the last newsletter was December 14th, surely you check the site more than that.
Serious disregard?... I'd say you are the guilty one on that.
There was NOT another run on modules, or Jupiters... !
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January 03, 2014, 02:46:45 PM
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 KnC can only stay ahead with 20nm

This doesn't really make sense..  if you are trying to scrape another $100 a month on each miner from lower power usage then you really have to rethink how much money you thought you were going to make in the first place.

If KNC put their Neptune plans on hold, let those customers switch to newly made Jupiters (or take refund) and ship as many miners in Feb as they can make, they would do fine (and also stay on their word to wait before flooding market)

Remember, Cointerra hasn't proved anything yet.



Yeah - you are right. They had the choice. Optimizing 28nm and doing serious cash now or going for innovation with 20nm and doing maybe even more serious cash later. Safe (28nm) vs. Risky (20nm).

Their business decision was going the (risky) innovative route and I like that. How will turn things out for them? No idea, I dont have a crystal ball at home - I dont know whether R&D expenses and unforeseen problems of 20nm justify the potential 30% power savings. My gut tells me it will be a significant advantage over compitition in 2014/ 2015. Maybe it turns out 20nm is not worth it - we will see. Captain hindsight will provide us the solution soon. My point is, they are still a small company - they decided to go risky 20nm - I decided to go with them. They made the decision, we tied up our money. Stopping that train is not an option any more. They have to put all effort on this now. KnC is all in.

Hashfast already failed majorly - have the feeling Cointerra will not, they seem to have a different level of professionalims. My bet would be KnC and Cointerra are the big players in 2014. Others? Dunno, blackarrow seems lacking customer support, Bitmine seems capable but too small. Bfl - no comment.

Small company or not,  the development lab people wouldn't benefit from the production workers crowding into their lab asking for something to do.  While we're sitting here waiting for KnC machines they have production workers with fewer and fewer make-stock-sub-assemblies-for-inventory chores to do.  Paid vacation time was great I'm sure but now they're back drawing paychecks and 401k matching contributions.  That has to be working toward a decision to get back into Jupiter production.  The alternative?



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January 03, 2014, 03:30:48 PM
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Any news for new jupiter batch from knc ? Thanks.

Yes, it sold out today for under 10 minutes.

Were you just making this up? Or did it actually happen?



He's making it up.

It was under 8 minutes.

Btw the price KNC decided to sell them for today was very good. $2500 was a good call  Roll Eyes

What the hell?  I was looking out for a newsletter for the next batch of Jups as I really wanted to buy another one.  Sad  Well done, KNC.


Admittedly as it was pointed out we were both pulling your leg. There was no additional sale. I'd given an honest answer to the question twice alone in the previous 48 hours and it did nothing to prevent it being raised yet again, so the third time I amused myself..Wink

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Hashfast already failed majorly -


Have you a link to the Hashfast failure or are you going on network hashrate not showing a sharp rise?



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January 03, 2014, 04:37:53 PM
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Hi, I've ordered a Neptune from the last batch. Will there be another batch after the present batch ?
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January 03, 2014, 04:41:30 PM
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Hashfast already failed majorly -


Have you a link to the Hashfast failure or are you going on network hashrate not showing a sharp rise?
Go check the hashfast threads. Pls find me a happy customer with a piece of hardware in their hands.  It's a super hot mess. I dont think hf will ship anything anytime soon if ever.
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January 03, 2014, 04:46:21 PM
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Any news for new jupiter batch from knc ? Thanks.

Yes, it sold out today for under 10 minutes.

Were you just making this up? Or did it actually happen?



He's making it up.

It was under 8 minutes.

Btw the price KNC decided to sell them for today was very good. $2500 was a good call  Roll Eyes


You paid $2500 each!? I clicked the "I'm an existing KNC customer" checkbox and it dropped the price down to $995 each. Oh well, lesson learned

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January 03, 2014, 05:06:22 PM
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Does anyone notice that their miners generally runs better until the first flushwork?

I get around 1% HW errors, and after a flushwork occurs, it shoots up to 3-4%. The HW ticker goes from 1-7 a jump to upwards of 50 a jump.
YES, I noticed that all along...   I think the flush-work....still needs work!
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It seems to "Flush" with every single block detected, and not for just the pool you are on, which causes the errror rate to be higher than it has to be...drastically.
IMHO...that's the biggest tweak needed atm

You are way off on this one...

Flushwork has to run with every block detected on the network. Blocks are built on top of each other network wide, not just on your pool.
Hmm, I still respectfully disagree. Here's why...
I never had that problem mining with GPU's... and it never flushed anything other than our own "Stale" shares.

In pool mining...We don't solve blocks for other pools, we work on our own blocks, and by running flush-work every time a block is detected, you literally loose every workshare you are currently solving, even though your pool hasn't found it's block yet.

My pants are literally loose.

But no, all miners (and pools) are working to add a new block to the end of THE block chain.  Pools don't each work on their own separate chain.

Each time a new block is added to the chain, all miners (and pools) stop their current work, and begin new work, trying to extend the now longer chain.

The block trying to be added is unique to the pool, but the chain it is being added to is not.

(There are rare exceptions involving hostile miners, but let's not complicate the discussion with those cases.)
hmm, ok...
Try this....   look/watch the error rate jump @ flushwork times.
Given the jumps, why would the dumped/flushed shares contribute to errors if the pool didn't want them?
You will also notice the lack of a jump in errors during the flushwork when your pool is finding the block.
I hear what you are saying, but the errors I monitored over the course of mining say otherwise.
I can point my Raedon card at the same pool, on a separate account, and physically see the difference.

IMO there is is still a bug (or more than one bug) in the KnC driver code that handles work changes.

Changing work should never cause a HW error.  A HW error indicates that the an ASIC chip returned a nonce claiming that it results in a valid share of difficulty 1 or greater, but the controller then does not reach the same conclusion when it tries to validate that claim, and rules that the ASIC was wrong (a hardware error).

A HW error always indicates a local problem, specifically a disagreement between the hashing engine(s) and the host/controller.  A pool should never be able to cause a HW error to be reported.

(BTW, the correct spelling is "lose", not "loose".  I'd go mad if I tried to explain this to everyone I see making this error, but you seem like a pragmatic enough fellow that it's probably safe to explain it to you. Smiley )

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January 03, 2014, 05:06:59 PM
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Any news for new jupiter batch from knc ? Thanks.

Yes, it sold out today for under 10 minutes.

Were you just making this up? Or did it actually happen?



He's making it up.

It was under 8 minutes.

Btw the price KNC decided to sell them for today was very good. $2500 was a good call  Roll Eyes


You paid $2500 each!? I clicked the "I'm an existing KNC customer" checkbox and it dropped the price down to $995 each. Oh well, lesson learned

Again we were having a giggle, there's been no recent further sale of 28nm products! Wink

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January 03, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
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Hashfast already failed majorly -


Have you a link to the Hashfast failure or are you going on network hashrate not showing a sharp rise?
Go check the hashfast threads. Pls find me a happy customer with a piece of hardware in their hands.  It's a super hot mess. I dont think hf will ship anything anytime soon if ever.

Could they have deliberately signaled pending shipment then withheld to see if some darkhorse ASIC producer/facility would come online - that hoping to stay below the radar?



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January 03, 2014, 05:20:25 PM
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While I'm no fan of hashfast, they're supposedly shipping right now. "supposedly".

Of course it could've been 1 single machine to some address somewhere.

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