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July 18, 2013, 01:40:36 PM |
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[Not sure why anyone would buy a AsicMiner blade or USB at this point in time)
Maybe because as competition gets more intense, any tiny edge will seem larger relative to the tiny profits miners can eke out, so grabbing this last chance to pick up all the merged mined coins that the public pools fail to include in their merges might be worthwhile before pools that leave all that stuff on the table start losing all their miners due to miners no longer being able to afford to ignore a few percent or points of a percent here and there... -MarkM- |
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SirWizz
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July 18, 2013, 01:48:17 PM |
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They will slow down once the difficulty goes up. Because only the devices with the best $/GH ratio will make any sense. Although you never know, some people have more money than common sense I am told..
I imagine prices will drop across the board as difficulty goes up. That's correct, however a properly engineered product, using the latest technology and economies of scale (not to mention fabricated in a proper shop instead of someone's garage) should always offer a better deal/return. Once the difficulty goes up I think a lot of these mom & pop ASIC shops will close because they offer sub-par returns, worse customer service and are not as "future proof", if we can even talk about such a thing in this environment. |
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Nemo1024
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July 18, 2013, 01:53:09 PM |
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Right. Just place and order and paid through PayPal (after two weeks of deliberation and licking wounds after BFL). So, KnC stands for "kennemar & cole" (stated on the PayPal receipt) It is the same guys as http://www.kennemarandcole.se/Looks promising. Also, after payment, I came back to KnC main page, but parts of it were in what appears to be Russian. Are they implementing multi-lingual support, which pops up when it should not? Личный кaбинeт Bыйти Shopping Cart: empty Subtotal: $ 0.00 Shopping Cart Checkout KnCMiner Payment Shipping FAQ Contacts About Us +46 8559 253 20 info@kncminer.comMiners Upgrades Haйти Зaкaз нoмep XXXXXXXXXXXXXX ycпeшнo oплaчeн. Thank you for your payment. Your transaction has been completed, and a receipt for your purchase has been emailed to you. << Ha глaвнyю Кaтeгopии Miners Upgrades Information Payment Shipping Contacts Privacy and protection of personal data My account Common information Address book Order history Change password In social Twitter Facebook ©2013 all images and content copyright KnCMiner AB, org no: 556931-9725 |
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July 18, 2013, 02:16:45 PM |
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got same email. plan makes sense give people chance to mine
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canth
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July 18, 2013, 02:25:06 PM |
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I get the impression that employees of KNC buy miners to mine themselves, but KNC isn't a mining company like Asicminer. The difference between owners/employees of KnC buying miners at cost and mining personally or KnC mining as a company isn't really relevant to us as customers. We have no idea how many units they'll use personally and we don't know how much of a hashrate they are targeting. To me the most relevant differences I see between AM mining and KnC mining is that AM is publicly traded and we know what AM's goals for network hashrate are. |
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July 18, 2013, 02:28:20 PM |
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Right. Just place and order and paid through PayPal (after two weeks of deliberation and licking wounds after BFL). So, KnC stands for "kennemar & cole" (stated on the PayPal receipt) It is the same guys as http://www.kennemarandcole.se/Looks promising. Also, after payment, I came back to KnC main page, but parts of it were in what appears to be Russian. Are they implementing multi-lingual support, which pops up when it should not? Личный кaбинeт Bыйти Shopping Cart: empty Subtotal: $ 0.00 Shopping Cart Checkout KnCMiner Payment Shipping FAQ Contacts About Us +46 8559 253 20 info@kncminer.comMiners Upgrades Haйти Зaкaз нoмep XXXXXXXXXXXXXX ycпeшнo oплaчeн. Thank you for your payment. Your transaction has been completed, and a receipt for your purchase has been emailed to you. << Ha глaвнyю Кaтeгopии Miners Upgrades Information Payment Shipping Contacts Privacy and protection of personal data My account Common information Address book Order history Change password In social Twitter Facebook ©2013 all images and content copyright KnCMiner AB, org no: 556931-9725 The same thing happened to me when I made my preorder through paypal. The payment posted to my knc account properly. Just make sure in your order says "Paid (Payed) " at the top and your set. |
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OmegaNemesis28
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July 18, 2013, 02:30:11 PM |
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Anyone also really enjoy the fact that they sent out a mass email about it? Rather than posting in some obscure web forum in the middle of a 100 page thread of rabble so that no one can find it?
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July 18, 2013, 02:33:15 PM
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I get the impression that employees of KNC buy miners to mine themselves, but KNC isn't a mining company like Asicminer. The difference between owners/employees of KnC buying miners at cost and mining personally or KnC mining as a company isn't really relevant to us as customers. We have no idea how many units they'll use personally and we don't know how much of a hashrate they are targeting. To me the most relevant differences I see between AM mining and KnC mining is that AM is publicly traded and we know what AM's goals for network hashrate are. As I see it if they were mining as a company, they would have no incentive to price under roi. If employees buy at same prices as everyone else, they have incentive for bigger roi. Of course transparency is another question. Edit: side note kind of off topic, but I was just looking at the order list page and it only comes to like $700,000 or about 40 th. I think that only a smallish percentage might be listed there. |
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Loredo
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July 18, 2013, 03:11:34 PM |
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I get the impression that employees of KNC buy miners to mine themselves, but KNC isn't a mining company like Asicminer. The difference between owners/employees of KnC buying miners at cost and mining personally or KnC mining as a company isn't really relevant to us as customers. We have no idea how many units they'll use personally and we don't know how much of a hashrate they are targeting. To me the most relevant differences I see between AM mining and KnC mining is that AM is publicly traded and we know what AM's goals for network hashrate are. Can't expect them to be able to say that yet. Suddenly, there looks like there is a going to be a healthy decentralized component to the network, what with bitfury's retail, Avalon's chips->DIY, and now, increasingly likely, BFL's chips->DIY, KnC's retail, and at an increasing snail's pace, BFL hardware. Personally, I'm really pleased, and just a little surprised. The arc of those rollouts, whether moratoriums on shipping might happen or be honored, etc, are not known yet, and nobody can say anything accurately until then. |
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canth
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July 18, 2013, 03:18:37 PM |
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I get the impression that employees of KNC buy miners to mine themselves, but KNC isn't a mining company like Asicminer. The difference between owners/employees of KnC buying miners at cost and mining personally or KnC mining as a company isn't really relevant to us as customers. We have no idea how many units they'll use personally and we don't know how much of a hashrate they are targeting. To me the most relevant differences I see between AM mining and KnC mining is that AM is publicly traded and we know what AM's goals for network hashrate are. As I see it if they were mining as a company, they would have no incentive to price under roi. If employees buy at same prices as everyone else, they have incentive for bigger roi. Of course transparency is another question. Edit: side note kind of off topic, but I was just looking at the order list page and it only comes to like $700,000 or about 40 th. I think that only a smallish percentage might be listed there. I do not believe that KnC employees (owners) would pay anything more than cost for buying their own equipment. And the price doesn't really matter - to get specific, Sam could pay $1 or $1M for each Jupiter he purchases since he's a recipient of a share of the profits (or loss) from each sale made. You are right, it's a matter of transparency and personally I doubt that KnC will share the exact number of units they'll be allocating to personal use vs selling - after all, they don't need to disclose this. * Full disclosure - I don't have a problem with KnC mining with their own hardware. They were honest about it and we have to accept this or not purchase the equipment from them. I just don't see any point in suggesting that this is significantly different than AM or ActiveMiner or any other company that manufactures and mines with their own equipment. |
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July 18, 2013, 03:20:16 PM |
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New Mining Hardware Calculator from Genesis Block.. Is this correct? Says my Saturn will earn me $16,800 ROI in 21 days.. Starting in Sept..  http://thegenesisblock.com/tgb-launches-bitcoin-mining-dashboard/Mining Payout Schedule Display Currency USD Break Even Period: 21 days Total Fixed Costs: $3900 Max Profit: $16,800 (Aug-14) - 430% Monthly Power Costs: $30.2 Month Difficulty (MM) Time per Block (days) Monthly Revenue Monthly Profit Cumulative Return Sep-13 48 11.9 $5,600 $5,570 $1,670 Oct-13 64 16.0 $4,150 $4,120 $5,790 Nov-13 87 21.6 $3,070 $3,040 $8,830 Dec-13 117 29.2 $2,280 $2,250 $11,100 Jan-14 158 39.4 $1,690 $1,660 $12,700 Feb-14 214 53.1 $1,250 $1,220 $14,000 Mar-14 289 71.7 $925 $895 $14,800 Apr-14 390 96.8 $685 $655 $15,500 May-14 526 130.7 $508 $477 $16,000 Jun-14 710 176.5 $376 $346 $16,300 Jul-14 959 238.3 $279 $248 $16,600 Aug-14 1294 321.7 $206 $176 $16,800 |
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July 18, 2013, 03:21:46 PM |
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How about KNCminer producing a die shot (image of its chip) increasing the likelihood they will ship devices September thru Novermber before claiming they will stop shipping December thru February?
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Bitcoinorama
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July 18, 2013, 03:26:11 PM |
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Right. Just place and order and paid through PayPal (after two weeks of deliberation and licking wounds after BFL). So, KnC stands for "kennemar & cole" (stated on the PayPal receipt) It is the same guys as http://www.kennemarandcole.se/Looks promising. Also, after payment, I came back to KnC main page, but parts of it were in what appears to be Russian. Are they implementing multi-lingual support, which pops up when it should not? Личный кaбинeт Bыйти Shopping Cart: empty Subtotal: $ 0.00 Shopping Cart Checkout KnCMiner Payment Shipping FAQ Contacts About Us +46 8559 253 20 info@kncminer.comMiners Upgrades Haйти Зaкaз нoмep XXXXXXXXXXXXXX ycпeшнo oплaчeн. Thank you for your payment. Your transaction has been completed, and a receipt for your purchase has been emailed to you. << Ha глaвнyю Кaтeгopии Miners Upgrades Information Payment Shipping Contacts Privacy and protection of personal data My account Common information Address book Order history Change password In social Twitter Facebook ©2013 all images and content copyright KnCMiner AB, org no: 556931-9725 The same thing happened to me when I made my preorder through paypal. The payment posted to my knc account properly. Just make sure in your order says "Paid (Payed) " at the top and your set. Russian web cart software. This was explained aaaages back, they just have a preference for this software, but it gives a confirmation in Russian. All is cool though... |
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Bitcoinorama
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July 18, 2013, 03:29:20 PM |
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How about KNCminer producing a die shot (image of its chip) increasing the likelihood they will ship devices September thru Novermber before claiming they will stop shipping December thru February?
Unlikely, as they are going straight from chip manufacture, to production, also perhaps to retain competitive advantage. No doubt such a shot will surface in due course... |
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DPoS
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July 18, 2013, 03:33:30 PM |
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Asicminer will only ever have 20-25% of the hashrate. Their hardware is in no way competition to KNC.
sorry I don't follow :p How is a direct competitor selling the same product not competition exactly? Its like saying Sony and Microsoft don't compete for your cash. They are selling a product that will never ROI because they are in the business of mining. They don't care if nobody buys their products, but if a sucker comes along and buys one for more than it will ever mine, then score for Asicminer, but can't call that competition. This. Knc's English isn't great but their logic is pretty spot on. If others keep flooding the market in the winter months knc looks like they will sell upgrade modules upon upgrade modules to current customers as cheap as possible They are not implying they will keep selling current offerings to new customers but lower upgrade prices so your Gh/$$ keeps ahead of the curve So can people please stop nagging them with the little shit anymore? (pictures of chips,etc) |
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July 18, 2013, 03:33:42 PM |
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Right. Just place and order and paid through PayPal (after two weeks of deliberation and licking wounds after BFL). So, KnC stands for "kennemar & cole" (stated on the PayPal receipt) It is the same guys as http://www.kennemarandcole.se/Looks promising. Also, after payment, I came back to KnC main page, but parts of it were in what appears to be Russian. Are they implementing multi-lingual support, which pops up when it should not? Личный кaбинeт Bыйти Shopping Cart: empty Subtotal: $ 0.00 Shopping Cart Checkout KnCMiner Payment Shipping FAQ Contacts About Us +46 8559 253 20 info@kncminer.comMiners Upgrades Haйти Зaкaз нoмep XXXXXXXXXXXXXX ycпeшнo oплaчeн. Thank you for your payment. Your transaction has been completed, and a receipt for your purchase has been emailed to you. << Ha глaвнyю Кaтeгopии Miners Upgrades Information Payment Shipping Contacts Privacy and protection of personal data My account Common information Address book Order history Change password In social Twitter Facebook ©2013 all images and content copyright KnCMiner AB, org no: 556931-9725 During the very first days of this thread, during the "fingerprinting" era of any new ASIC thread, someone discovered that the KNC website developer is from Russia, hence some code of the page had that language in the JS class and so on. Maybe it's the same reason, who knows... |
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July 18, 2013, 03:55:21 PM |
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Edit: side note kind of off topic, but I was just looking at the order list page and it only comes to like $700,000 or about 40 th. I think that only a smallish percentage might be listed there.
Link? Don't know of an order list page  |
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Bitcoinorama
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July 18, 2013, 03:59:29 PM |
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Edit: side note kind of off topic, but I was just looking at the order list page and it only comes to like $700,000 or about 40 th. I think that only a smallish percentage might be listed there.
Link? Don't know of an order list page I think he means the voluntary one in this forum... |
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FeedbackLoop
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July 18, 2013, 04:00:11 PM |
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Anyone also really enjoy the fact that they sent out a mass email about it? Rather than posting in some obscure web forum in the middle of a 100 page thread of rabble so that no one can find it?
Yes And would not expect anything else from a serious company. |
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DPoS
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July 18, 2013, 04:03:54 PM |
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Edit: side note kind of off topic, but I was just looking at the order list page and it only comes to like $700,000 or about 40 th. I think that only a smallish percentage might be listed there.
Link? Don't know of an order list page I think he means the voluntary one in this forum... The big orders don't appear to be listed... I think it is more of a guide once things are shipping that people can feel comfortable on the progress |
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