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August 01, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
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Let's just say that things aren't progressing at the rate they were anticipating since they would have shipped the mock-up devices already.

BS!

Care to elaborate why is it bs exactly?
Are you in possession of some super-secret information that we don't have that has led you to believe they are on schedule?

Fact is that there has been no information in their newsletters about how the development is progressing for quite a while now and the only milestone visible to the community was the delivery of mock-up devices for the cgminer devs to start implementing support for knc devices. And that one is now behind schedule.
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August 01, 2013, 06:44:04 PM
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Well, once the chips are off to the fabs, there isn't really that much for an IC company to do except sit around and wait for a couple months.

I think the prototypes they were supposed to ship were going to be Mars devices, presumably using a similar interface/protocol to the planned ICs. Since they decided to cancel mars they'd have nothing to ship except the single prototype they apparently made.

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August 01, 2013, 06:44:15 PM
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Let's just say that things aren't progressing at the rate they were anticipating since they would have shipped the mock-up devices already.

BS!

Care to elaborate why is it bs exactly?
Are you in possession of some super-secret information that we don't have that has led you to believe they are on schedule?

Fact is that there has been no information in their newsletters about how the development is progressing for quite a while now and the only milestone visible to the community was the delivery of mock-up devices for the cgminer devs to start implementing support for knc devices. And that one is now behind schedule.

Behind whose schedule?! You're assuming thing based without fact. KnC have said themselves they are on track and they aim to send CGminer a box in Sept once they get the chips.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=237114.msg2507772#msg2507772

"Sam: Yup, we've contacted the major developers, they're on board, they're gonna be given our boxes over the summer that will be functionally identical apart from performance. And then when the chips arrive in September then they will be given the boxes appropriate for testing on.

Me: Is there a reason...is that ah...ip reason that you don't want them to see such things as...

Sam: No, no, no, basically we want to give to them a box that looks identical, to Jupiter, behaves identically in every single way apart from hashing speed. So, they can get their interface, they can get their code inside, they can get their automatic firmware (unknown word? - poor audio) processes working with us, they can do all that kind of stuff, and then we'll be using that for product stuff, like airflow, cooling and other things. And then when the chips do arrive, we will put two chips in the right board, and send them out to them as well. But we don't want to...

Marcus: So we order... (something I can't make out as Sam speaks again – he's physically closer, so louder)

Sam: Exactly

Marcus: ...we've all ready got the surrounding components, power, dcdc modules, the on chip linux software, all that is already developed, tested, ready to go.

But obviously we need their code to work on the box as soon as it's delivered. I mean, it's unfair to ship out a hundred boxes and say, “Sorry guys, you need to wait for CGMiner  to finish”, so they can do all their testing with the other boxes first."

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August 01, 2013, 06:55:51 PM
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So where are the "identical but less-powerful" boxes that should have been delivered "over the summer" which September does not fit into...
Pretty much as things are going right now exactly what's stated in that discussion will happen - devices might ship but will not be supported as the devs wouldn't have had enough time to implement support in the miner...
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August 01, 2013, 07:02:00 PM
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So where are the "identical but less-powerful" boxes that should have been delivered "over the summer" which September does not fit into...
Pretty much as things are going right now exactly what's stated in that discussion will happen - devices might ship but will not be supported as the devs wouldn't have had enough time to implement support in the miner...

Ask them?! Jeez man send an email if you're that concerned. Let the rest of us know instead of whining on the forum trying to stir the pot.

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August 01, 2013, 07:17:38 PM
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I'm certainly hoping they deliver on time and do it in a professional manner so that we can forget about BFL and Avalon. Nothing that I'd like more than that. As many others on this forum, I suppose.
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August 01, 2013, 07:19:49 PM
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I'm certainly hoping they deliver on time and do it in a professional manner so that we can forget about BFL and Avalon. Nothing that I'd like more than that. As many others on this forum, I suppose.

Of course, but please don't throw wild accusations around, just to freak people out. Some won't bother to check facts either and take your word as gospel. Wink

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August 01, 2013, 07:23:15 PM
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Well, the trouble is that there are no facts. We're pretty much in the dark. Stating "things are progressing as planned" does not bring much peace after you've heard it time and time again to turn into crazy delays. I'm not saying that that is what is going on, just that some actual status updates with facts and some proof would be much more valuable than any statement.
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August 01, 2013, 07:25:08 PM
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Spent half a day reading 200-240 pages and just finished.
Good, good, now start on this (much shorter but also informative) thread ^_^

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=231739.0

Not going to ask any stupid questions like some of the guys here  Grin but will continue to follow the topic for future updates as I'm really interesed in investing in 2 Jupiter miners Smiley

I just have one question and I hope it's not very stupid: Why the Xcrowd Pavonis (the 1st i the list) has negative ROI (in BTC) with contant 17% and 20% increase in difficulty and Jupiter/Saturn/Mercury don't?
So basically it shows that the Xcrowd Pavonis will lose 1.48BTC in 1 year if difficulty rises 20% every 2 weeks for the same period of 1 year, right?

The chart doesn't specify if it calculates power costs too.

Link your chart?

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August 01, 2013, 07:31:38 PM
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sure it seems a good thing to do, but I believe that it's up to @FeedbackLoop to do it since he raised the quest in the first place. I just wanna said that namecoin is SHA-256 based, again quoting wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocurrency) :



"@FeedbackLoop" did not raise the quest @WastedLTC raised the quest and @FeedbackLoop told him about the poll KNC did regarding alt coins. That said @FeedbackLoop would of course be interested in namecoin merged mining but he does not understand enough about the subject.

Pity to hear about the missed "Kano deadline". 

Sorry @FeedbackLoop I didn't mean to misattribute

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August 01, 2013, 07:32:14 PM
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Well, the trouble is that there are no facts. We're pretty much in the dark. Stating "things are progressing as planned" does not bring much peace after you've heard it time and time again to turn into crazy delays. I'm not saying that that is what is going on, just that some actual status updates with facts and some proof would be much more valuable than any statement.
You people with your BFL-induced PTSD who are now ASIC-conspiracy theorists as a result. Stop judging others by your BFL experience. BFL's failure does not make it more or less likely that another company will or won't ship.

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August 01, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
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Well, the trouble is that there are no facts. We're pretty much in the dark. Stating "things are progressing as planned" does not bring much peace after you've heard it time and time again to turn into crazy delays. I'm not saying that that is what is going on, just that some actual status updates with facts and some proof would be much more valuable than any statement.

Of course we are and like I assumed and they confirmed they would rather keep their competition in the dark as to how they are progressing. That's understandable, good for them and us. This is a formula one race. You have to play your hand shrewdly, or give away ground. McLaren doesn't show Ferrari it's car design for the upcoming season prior to it starting. That would be madness. KnC have bent over backwards to prove they are a serious contender and still have an open door for peeps. Hashfast makes people sign NDAs. Not that NDAs are worth anything. They are impossible to prove when information slips. There's not much we can do. Come late Sept review the situation and exercise the refund if your bum squeaks...

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August 01, 2013, 07:54:40 PM
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You are officially an Idiot. (newbie)
Try reading a bit before looking so dumb.
They've got 10+ YEARS in ASIC Development, and yes, 28nm as well.
Whereas, BFL had NONE.


ALSO... (to others)Saying they missed a deadline is TOTAL BS. (the mock-up statement was an email between THEM, and in no way a deadline on machines, or indication they are behind.)
Ever stop to think that maybe they are AHEAD of schedule? More likely IMHO, Why send a mock-up, when a few first-run total machines may be days/weeks away?
I think sending out mock-ups would be a huge waste of time if they are "On track" with Sept deliveries. It would take the boys at CGMiner...what?... a whole day?


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August 01, 2013, 08:04:45 PM
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Admittedly they can't take ckolivas or kano's time for granted and have to allow any coding to fit around their own schedule...

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August 01, 2013, 08:12:18 PM
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agreed...  with that in mind, I wouldn't worry till last week of AUG about that; they would still have an entire month.
I mean, really.... set a few flags & parameters till it runs good. Might take 1/2 hour, might take a day, but seriously, in any case.... Will happen in short-order, so the Mock-up argument is not an issue to me at all, until the machines ship out to customers, whatever day in Sept that may be. We already know their code works on CGMiner, per open-day. The rest will be quick & easy IMHO


I'll be bold, and "Call it" right now....
KNC_FakeNews... August 19th, 2013(or thereaboutz) .. "Cklovas & I(Kano) just received a Jupiter to Tune CGMiner to... A real Jupiter, not a mock-up."  


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August 01, 2013, 08:35:58 PM
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I'll be bold, and "Call it" right now....
KNC_FakeNews... August 19th, 2013(or thereaboutz) .. "Cklovas & I(Kano) just received a Jupiter to Tune CGMiner to... A real Jupiter, not a mock-up."  Cheesy

Lets hope you are right. August was indeed a possible delivery date at some point in the pre-order era.

Hosting requests would then explode.

 
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August 01, 2013, 08:58:18 PM
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Marcus..."Margins, upon margins, upon margins"... and   "Under-promise, Over-deliver"(openday) Grin
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232852.0 (openday part 2)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=214285.0 (openday part 1)

Relevant to recent discussion, the interview... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232852.msg2468045#msg2468045
and especially
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=232852.200

Excerpt from last link.. (Orama is "Me", but not ME!)

Me: So that there was going to be my next so where are the weak links in the chain basically?

Marcus None (laughs)

Me: So...your, your that confident?

Marcus: Yes

(General laughing)

Marcus: Yes, yes, absolutely...

Sam: We have tested absolutely everything. We are over-cooling it, we are over powering it; 1000w

Marcus interupting: Oh yeah, we have margins on each.

Sam: We have margins on margins.

Marcus: we have margins and margins on margins just to make sure that we are reducing the risk throughout the whole cell. I mean we have redesigned the RTL code for the ASIC in a way so that we make it easier for the backend guys to do the backend to reduce risk.

Andreas: The devices have to run 24/7 as well. So we have to be confident that when people put the device on the shelf, can run it not for only one day, but hopefully a year down the line.

Sam: In Dubai, in an apartment, without the air-con on!


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August 01, 2013, 09:40:54 PM
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Just a little bit of info regarding KnC
They contact ckolivas and myself at the end of May regarding cgminer and related information.

They then stated that within July they'd be sending (in July) mock up devices (with an internal RPi) for us to work with on cgminer, then in September the real (faster) devices to tune cgminer to.

I have, however, heard nothing since, but no doubt expect to hear something soon.

I'll keep everyone posted if anything happens Smiley

Knc said that within July they were sending to Kano and Ckolivas mock up devices to work on cgminer implementation.

So, now we have passed a concrete deadline we can all verify.

Kano, did you receive the mock up device?

I sent a PM to Kano a few days ago. I asked if he had been in contact with him or CKolivas KNC

He answer this:

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/913/inpw.jpg

Lulz

I did post after that ... quoted post ...

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August 01, 2013, 09:46:07 PM
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Yeah Kano...  silly.
I especially find amusing..."Concrete Deadline"  Hahahahaha ROFL, what a WHINER.
How about this for the whiners...
They could have sent it out last week, or yesterday, and it would still be in transit, but within the time as written.
"Concrete Deadline"... Where the hell did that idea come from anyway? "Soft milestone" at best; it was an email, not an announcement.
 


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August 01, 2013, 10:10:53 PM
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Maybe KNC is too busy colluding with the competition. If that last pic made people wonder this one should make you really go batty.

http://ow.ly/i/2KBu6

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