Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com

[jelin1984]

so final yes or no
for the upgraded module?
will be for november only jupiter?

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[edgar]

I don't want to do Ebay unless I'm forced to...

I have 3 Neps out of the CA Batch I'll let go for 14btc each. No escrow, Ill ask KNC to change shipping address, if not, I'll pay for shipping inside usa..  outside usa add .25 btc per machine. Last ones I shipped to EU costed over 500usd to ship fully insured.

*edit     now 2 left

Dang, if the offer was a day or so ago I wouldn't have bothered with a batch 2.
You selling all your neptunes Phoenix? Getting out of mining?

dont pay too much attention to that guy, he's so full of shit he has organic fertilizer conglomerates ringing 24/7 for the real bulk buys.

take a month or two to flick thru just half the posts hes made, without him this thread would be about 12 pages of mostly decent input...

.....@ Searing, theyre 1.9 now.

Actually Edgar ............You are totally  wrong . Ive known Phoneix  for over 3 years now and 90% of what he's told me  or advised  me  has been true or correct . Most of the guys have appreciated his in put (even when hes been wrong) at least he been trying to help people .
 Chper and I  and 3 others here on the forum have done business with him  and we would happily do business with him again .........

You dont like him because he challenged you in things youve said ...........most of your posts prove your a hater and you love to hold a grudge

you're entitled to your opinion even when it proves nothing, as for your assumptions being all wrong, i dont mind, it makes sense youd be close with someone of seemingly similar characteristics

i dont dislike him, ive never met him.

the fact that hes full of shit remains a verifiable fact, not an opinion

the same goes for his forum jacking, shilling, lying, stupidity, arrogance, pomposity & absolute tri-polar madness to name but a few...

hey, no-ones perfect, and only the aforementioned has ever made efforts towards disproving this..

As for BTCoramas latest input...... whatever...

Seems not many left g.a.f, no change on KnCs part there.

have ur coins ready, there are shenanigans afoot!

[Airwhale]

With respect to casing design, that only takes approx. 3 days, the inclusion of space for PSUs has been passed on and acknowledged, and is being considered. Such design does obviously affect shipping costs that are dictated by dimensional sizing and weight, but you will need to source PSUs your side. This is not an oversight on our part, but the regulations for importing products with power supplies varies significantly country to country to the extent by which entry of electronic goods that have not met the prior approval of specific countries. If you have been on this forum long enough you would be well aware of the complications and denial that some have experienced, as such we will not provide an internal PSU so as not to limit access to those customers. Keep it simple and ensure everyone has a fair chance of receiving their items. Power supplies are easily available internally anyway. It worked well for Jupiter so we're sticking to that.

 My understanding of the neptune was that it was going to draw 2500w or more,  and thus is unsuitable for 20 amp, 120v power lines.  I'm not sure where to get a power supply that is greater than 1600w,  and I've always been cautious of having two power supplies on one device,  in case one fails and the other does not.  (electronic devices don't generally like to be half powered... it fries them!)  How would sourcing your own power supply work with such a device?  

+1 for the suggestion to house the power supply internally.  I (and I am sure many others in the US)  plan on hosting this in a data center,  so having it something that is entirely rack mountable makes things so much easier.  

[Searing]

With respect to casing design, that only takes approx. 3 days, the inclusion of space for PSUs has been passed on and acknowledged, and is being considered. Such design does obviously affect shipping costs that are dictated by dimensional sizing and weight, but you will need to source PSUs your side. This is not an oversight on our part, but the regulations for importing products with power supplies varies significantly country to country to the extent by which entry of electronic goods that have not met the prior approval of specific countries. If you have been on this forum long enough you would be well aware of the complications and denial that some have experienced, as such we will not provide an internal PSU so as not to limit access to those customers. Keep it simple and ensure everyone has a fair chance of receiving their items. Power supplies are easily available internally anyway. It worked well for Jupiter so we're sticking to that.

 My understanding of the neptune was that it was going to draw 2500w or more,  and thus is unsuitable for 20 amp, 120v power lines.  I'm not sure where to get a power supply that is greater than 1600w,  and I've always been cautious of having two power supplies on one device,  in case one fails and the other does not.  (electronic devices don't generally like to be half powered... it fries them!)  How would sourcing your own power supply work with such a device?  

+1 for the suggestion to house the power supply internally.  I (and I am sure many others in the US)  plan on hosting this in a data center,  so having it something that is entirely rack mountable makes things so much easier.  

yes it would be nice to get if a 220v standard 20amp 2pole breaker line will work...(sigh ...i suppose I could get a gas clothes dryer and stove.....)...the smart thing to do would be to upgrade my 100amp panel to 200 amps...

anyway us USA types need to know if we have to get a 220v 30amp line.....because right now is the time you get a hold of and schedule an appointment with an Electrican (dead of winter) if you wait till spring they will all be locked up with commercial work unless you set such up early (my experience anyway)

but again in a "module format" like was done with the Jupiter....you could "split" and have 2 power supplies hashing each or 2 to 4 or whatever cores per side each...i think? that is being done with cointerra?

it probably would look like 2 units hashing on a pool this seperation...but what the heck if you could use TWO Power suppllies on TW0 dedicated to the Neptune only regular 220v line would be worth it...and most of us could do that ourselves on our current panels *usa*

not to mention if one circuit or module or whatever stops working (like on the jupiter) you can continue to hash till RMA arrives

my 2c worth

Searing

[WastedLTC]

Good points.
Don't use Paypal: I sold 3 Jupiters on Ebay so far in 2 seperate transactions (2 before Christmas and one 3 days ago and all went smooth).
But I always opt for cash on delivery. The 1st guy was from the Czech Republic who drove all the way to London to pick up 2 of them, while bringing £18500 in cash.
The 2nd was a local indian guy

And btw Ebay take 10% up to £75, which is reasonable when you make a sale for thousands of pounds.

I sold a jupiter on ebay a few months back and had a great experience.   Winner paid me in cash at a bank and we did the transfer right there after bank validated the bills and made deposit.

[DPoS]

Guys there is a marketplace forum where your can sell your stuff. People who want to buy know where it is. No need for advertising here.

Don't you know this thread is the AOL of bitcointalk?? 

They don't know there are any other places on this forum but this thread!!   

[proclivity]

 My understanding of the neptune was that it was going to draw 2500w or more,  and thus is unsuitable for 20 amp, 120v power lines.  I'm not sure where to get a power supply that is greater than 1600w,  and I've always been cautious of having two power supplies on one device,  in case one fails and the other does not.  (electronic devices don't generally like to be half powered... it fries them!)  How would sourcing your own power supply work with such a device?  

+1 for the suggestion to house the power supply internally.  I (and I am sure many others in the US)  plan on hosting this in a data center,  so having it something that is entirely rack mountable makes things so much easier.  

yes it would be nice to get if a 220v standard 20amp 2pole breaker line will work...(sigh ...i suppose I could get a gas clothes dryer and stove.....)...the smart thing to do would be to upgrade my 100amp panel to 200 amps...

anyway us USA types need to know if we have to get a 220v 30amp line.....because right now is the time you get a hold of and schedule an appointment with an Electrican (dead of winter) if you wait till spring they will all be locked up with commercial work unless you set such up early (my experience anyway)

but again in a "module format" like was done with the Jupiter....you could "split" and have 2 power supplies hashing each or 2 to 4 or whatever cores per side each...i think? that is being done with cointerra?

it probably would look like 2 units hashing on a pool this seperation...but what the heck if you could use TWO Power suppllies on TW0 dedicated to the Neptune only regular 220v line would be worth it...and most of us could do that ourselves on our current panels *usa*

not to mention if one circuit or module or whatever stops working (like on the jupiter) you can continue to hash till RMA arrives

my 2c worth

Searing

+1 on space in the case!

Searing I'm running 3 Jups on a 240V circuit here in the USA, I highly recommend making the move to 220/240V if you're going to keep them in a residential setting.. and don't skimp on wire gage!

[soy]

so final yes or no
for the upgraded module?
will be for november only jupiter?

I'm curious about the upgrade module as well.  I understand the Nov Jupiters have the yellow tagged VRMs and take different programming than the Oct. Jupiters/Saturns/Mercurys.  In such a case if the upgrade modules are for the November Jupiters then if one has a Saturn one might buy 4 or 6 modules and pull the Oct cards to resell so all 4 or 6 are running the same programming.

[Airwhale]

but again in a "module format" like was done with the Jupiter....you could "split" and have 2 power supplies hashing each or 2 to 4 or whatever cores per side each...i think? that is being done with cointerra?

it probably would look like 2 units hashing on a pool this seperation...but what the heck if you could use TWO Power suppllies on TW0 dedicated to the Neptune only regular 220v line would be worth it...and most of us could do that ourselves on our current panels *usa*

not to mention if one circuit or module or whatever stops working (like on the jupiter) you can continue to hash till RMA arrives

Yeah,  it would be nice if there were two separate control boards in that case.  It's interesting to note that Blackarrow has gone that route,  going to far as to making their high-end machine in two separate cases.  It's a good model for mining manufacturers who want to be friendly to the USA/Canada household miner,  I think.

[soy]

The controller cards are FPGA cards with BBB mounted?  Power hungry 228MHs FPGA zTex cards are getting retired now from Bitcoin mining.  Perhaps a programming wiz could find a way to use an FPGA zTex card in conjunction with a BBB to run modules.

[kendog77]

I'm interested in seeing how Knc will manage to cool a ~3000W Neptune beast.

Jupiter heatsinks are very large, and they are only able to cool ~300W each. Obviously, there is not enough room for 10 Jupiter type heatsinks in a Neptune unless the case is twice as large.

[DimensionsOfHell]

so final yes or no
for the upgraded module?
will be for november only jupiter?

I'm curious about the upgrade module as well.  I understand the Nov Jupiters have the yellow tagged VRMs and take different programming than the Oct. Jupiters/Saturns/Mercurys.  In such a case if the upgrade modules are for the November Jupiters then if one has a Saturn one might buy 4 or 6 modules and pull the Oct cards to resell so all 4 or 6 are running the same programming.

I am curious about this as well. Hey 'Orama, would you say its possible to replace the Oct modules with Nov modules and just reflash the E firmware?

Also, can you tell us at least which modules will be sold? Oct/Nov/Both?

[arlekyn13]

so final yes or no
for the upgraded module?
will be for november only jupiter?

I'm curious about the upgrade module as well.  I understand the Nov Jupiters have the yellow tagged VRMs and take different programming than the Oct. Jupiters/Saturns/Mercurys.  In such a case if the upgrade modules are for the November Jupiters then if one has a Saturn one might buy 4 or 6 modules and pull the Oct cards to resell so all 4 or 6 are running the same programming.

I am curious about this as well. Hey 'Orama, would you say its possible to replace the Oct modules with Nov modules and just reflash the E firmware?

Also, can you tell us at least which modules will be sold? Oct/Nov/Both?

I can answer your 1st question: yes, it is possible as long as you don't mix them on the same controller board. Keep in mind that Nov type will need more power than Oct ones, for a Nov Jupiter a 1200W PSU was recommended if I remember right.
Also interested about what type of modules will be sold

[eiliant]

Orama, any word on whether hosting will be provided?

[soy]

I'm not sure we will be selling upgrade modules as close as a week.

So February is the more likely if at all?

[Tehfiend]

I'm not sure we will be selling upgrade modules as close as a week. My previous comment regarding Jupiter sales was accurate at that point in time. Sam had mentioned frequently to people in Vegas prior to Christmas we were going to be opening for sale. Those in attendance there that spoke to him will vouch for this. I only just set foot back in Stockholm this week, I was hoping to have positive news on that front for you. There is however an immediate problem in the supply chain sourcing certain components, which due to the current competitive landscape would not be wise to dwell further upon, other than we are obviously looking at means to overcome this. It is however likely now to be upgrade modules, and not complete units. Understand that may be disappointing for some, but that's all I have to share currently and it's not something I've had prior knowledge of. Will let you know more as, and when. If you want to spend your cash elsewhere we're not stopping you, but I'm not going to sugar-coat the situation in the hope we can open for orders immediately, just giving you a realistic overview of the situation.

With respect to Neptune we are where we intended to be at this stage and are still contemplating aspects of the design. Understand that the approach is not the same as that of Jupiter. 28nm was extremely disruptive at the time, of which the effect can plainly be seen. Hashrate was given priority to power consumption, and safety and speed to market even more so, but going forward and acknowledging that power consumption becomes more a critical factor the Neptune has to be created as more a long term solution. We will not skimp or rush the design here. This does not mean I'm indirectly verbalising a delay, so don't go looking for hidden meanings, there aren't any to find, just rest assured I'm stressing we value the integrity of the design more which is why Q1/Q2 was given to ensure that margin is present so we commit the best foot going forward in what is uncharted waters within bleeding edge silicon. We're not rushing the design at the cost of it's ability to function, and function well. The sha-256 implementation is actually relatively simple, but there is still quite a bit we can optimise to remain competitive for you and us.

With respect to casing design, that only takes approx. 3 days, the inclusion of space for PSUs has been passed on and acknowledged, and is being considered. Such design does obviously affect shipping costs that are dictated by dimensional sizing and weight, but you will need to source PSUs your side. This is not an oversight on our part, but the regulations for importing products with power supplies varies significantly country to country to the extent by which entry of electronic goods that have not met the prior approval of specific countries. If you have been on this forum long enough you would be well aware of the complications and denial that some have experienced, as such we will not provide an internal PSU so as not to limit access to those customers. Keep it simple and ensure everyone has a fair chance of receiving their items. Power supplies are easily available internally anyway. It worked well for Jupiter so we're sticking to that.

Thanks for the honest update Bitcoinorama. Since it sounds like KNC is no longer focused on speed to market I will most likely be dumping my Neptune pre-order as I'm not in the business of financing their next gen miner at a BTC loss which this is starting to look like from my POV. I think it's pretty safe to say Q1 delivery is now completely out of the question and a May/June delivery is quite possible so I will probably be better off buying back my BTC directly unless the difficulty acceleration magically flat-lines. I really appreciate that you are upfront about their goals instead of sugar coating things and misleading us to expect a possible Q1 delivery, many kudos to KNC.

I think before I pull the plug I will redo all of my forecast calculations one more time and see what a day 1 Neptune pre-order is selling for ATM...

[Biodom]

I am a newbie here, but it seems that restrictions have been lifted. I have 2 Neptunes on preorder. I was thinking to run them off the dryer 240V socket, but "family" is adamantly against it, hence I would be able to barely run just one.

Bottom line: is anybody interested in ONE public batch #1 Neptune preorder (154##)? Please PM me if interested, but be reasonable as I don't have to sell. I will only deal in BTC. As of now, batch#2 is gone as well (for the second and, probably, last time).

[soy]

I too am frustrated by not right now having new KnC gear hashing.  Thing is I look at my Neptune pre-order and look at the present relative superiority of Jupiters over the competition and the Jupiter profitability track record, and I expect the Neptune will have a similar relationship to the competition when it fields.  

That's not to say all of us might not get screwed, KnC machine owners somewhat less than others.  Screwed if dark horse mining farms get super cheap gear of their own manufacture in an overwhelming way.

So, what would be the alternative?  Leave mining and buy btc for its appreciation?  We know the banks aren't going to quit scamming the general public with currency expansion.  We know peace isn't going to reign on into the far foreseeable future, Syria and the Sudan not withstanding, and that would mean money movement into Bitcoin.  Some questions are: a) how long do we have to wait for KnC gear, b) will all the KnC gear made available be sold to pre-existing customers or will the numbers of miners be such that it will be open to the general public.  Like those dark horse mining farms turning their btc into Neptune purchases, c) how bad will the network hashrate get and how soon?

[dimaze]

Neptunes all gone now - again.

[greenbtc]

I too am frustrated by not right now having new KnC gear hashing.  Thing is I look at my Neptune pre-order and look at the present relative superiority of Jupiters over the competition and the Jupiter profitability track record, and I expect the Neptune will have a similar relationship to the competition when it fields.  

That's not to say all of us might not get screwed, KnC machine owners somewhat less than others.  Screwed if dark horse mining farms get super cheap gear of their own manufacture in an overwhelming way.

So, what would be the alternative?  Leave mining and buy btc for its appreciation?  We know the banks aren't going to quit scamming the general public with currency expansion.  We know peace isn't going to reign on into the far foreseeable future, Syria and the Sudan not withstanding, and that would mean money movement into Bitcoin.  Some questions are: a) how long do we have to wait for KnC gear, b) will all the KnC gear made available be sold to pre-existing customers or will the numbers of miners be such that it will be open to the general public.  Like those dark horse mining farms turning their btc into Neptune purchases, c) how bad will the network hashrate get and how soon?

Lots of speculation in here!