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May 16, 2014, 08:08:25 AM
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I think I know the answer to this but I just wanna ask right out:

If I find some shares with my P2Pool node and then I turn it off for a while, the btc will still be credited to me at some point right?

If there are donations while it is not on I won't get any?

Yes to the first, I don't see why you wouldn't get the second since your address will be in the list.

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May 16, 2014, 12:58:40 PM
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I think I know the answer to this but I just wanna ask right out:

If I find some shares with my P2Pool node and then I turn it off for a while, the btc will still be credited to me at some point right?

If there are donations while it is not on I won't get any?

As long as you have shares in the active share chain you should get paid.

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May 16, 2014, 03:27:14 PM
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All your coins got a block? I'm not aware that the merged coins were merged mined across each other. As in you find a good hash but it can apply to more than one coin. I guess it can though. I'm guessing you hit an nmc and since it's the hardest it counted for all of them.

Open their qt you should see your block plus transaction fees

Yup you're solo mining, the coins are easier than Bitcoin but great luck on 36 ghs

NMC shows a transaction on 5/4/2014 +0.01331598 NMC Address MxoBdy13H7P9zxfgXXhz9piUkgQFgL8nGz

all of my coins IXC, NMC and DVC got a pay out at the same time.

Norgan, whatever those payouts are, they are not from merge mining.  Merge mining gives you a full block reward for the coins.  Here's an example.  If you find the hash that generates the next BTC block, and you are merge mining NMC, IXC, DVC, etc, you will get the full block reward for NMC, IXC and DVC because the hash from the BTC satisfies the requirements for all of the other coins.  If you happen to find a hash that satisfies the requirements for IXC (currently ~4.5 billion) you would ONLY get the block reward for that coin because NMC and DVC have a higher target difficulty.

Long story short, you either get the full block reward or nothing because you are essentially solo-mining those other coins.

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May 16, 2014, 09:39:16 PM
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Looked at some other pools and it looks the same.
man my GetBlock Latency has gone through the roof in the last couple of hrs. Restarted and same. Sever load very low.

Anyone else see this?

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May 16, 2014, 09:57:13 PM
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Looked at some other pools and it looks the same.
man my GetBlock Latency has gone through the roof in the last couple of hrs. Restarted and same. Sever load very low.

Anyone else see this?

Yeah same here and my payout has dropped way low. My last was at least half what it should be and my hash rate has been steady. I also have now incoming peers.

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May 16, 2014, 10:04:06 PM
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Interesting.. thanks for info. I had a few incoming until I restarted like an idiot. I should have waited...ha

Looked at some other pools and it looks the same.
man my GetBlock Latency has gone through the roof in the last couple of hrs. Restarted and same. Sever load very low.

Anyone else see this?

Yeah same here and my payout has dropped way low. My last was at least half what it should be and my hash rate has been steady. I also have now incoming peers.

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May 16, 2014, 10:15:57 PM
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All your coins got a block? I'm not aware that the merged coins were merged mined across each other. As in you find a good hash but it can apply to more than one coin. I guess it can though. I'm guessing you hit an nmc and since it's the hardest it counted for all of them.

Open their qt you should see your block plus transaction fees

Yup you're solo mining, the coins are easier than Bitcoin but great luck on 36 ghs

NMC shows a transaction on 5/4/2014 +0.01331598 NMC Address MxoBdy13H7P9zxfgXXhz9piUkgQFgL8nGz

all of my coins IXC, NMC and DVC got a pay out at the same time.

Norgan, whatever those payouts are, they are not from merge mining.  Merge mining gives you a full block reward for the coins.  Here's an example.  If you find the hash that generates the next BTC block, and you are merge mining NMC, IXC, DVC, etc, you will get the full block reward for NMC, IXC and DVC because the hash from the BTC satisfies the requirements for all of the other coins.  If you happen to find a hash that satisfies the requirements for IXC (currently ~4.5 billion) you would ONLY get the block reward for that coin because NMC and DVC have a higher target difficulty.

Long story short, you either get the full block reward or nothing because you are essentially solo-mining those other coins.
They came from somewhere and they are only there for merged mining not for any transactions. Any ideas where they may have come from?

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May 16, 2014, 10:49:02 PM
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All your coins got a block? I'm not aware that the merged coins were merged mined across each other. As in you find a good hash but it can apply to more than one coin. I guess it can though. I'm guessing you hit an nmc and since it's the hardest it counted for all of them.

Open their qt you should see your block plus transaction fees

Yup you're solo mining, the coins are easier than Bitcoin but great luck on 36 ghs

NMC shows a transaction on 5/4/2014 +0.01331598 NMC Address MxoBdy13H7P9zxfgXXhz9piUkgQFgL8nGz

all of my coins IXC, NMC and DVC got a pay out at the same time.

Norgan, whatever those payouts are, they are not from merge mining.  Merge mining gives you a full block reward for the coins.  Here's an example.  If you find the hash that generates the next BTC block, and you are merge mining NMC, IXC, DVC, etc, you will get the full block reward for NMC, IXC and DVC because the hash from the BTC satisfies the requirements for all of the other coins.  If you happen to find a hash that satisfies the requirements for IXC (currently ~4.5 billion) you would ONLY get the block reward for that coin because NMC and DVC have a higher target difficulty.

Long story short, you either get the full block reward or nothing because you are essentially solo-mining those other coins.
They came from somewhere and they are only there for merged mining not for any transactions. Any ideas where they may have come from?

You have the txid.  You can look it up with a block explorer.

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May 16, 2014, 10:53:48 PM
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All your coins got a block? I'm not aware that the merged coins were merged mined across each other. As in you find a good hash but it can apply to more than one coin. I guess it can though. I'm guessing you hit an nmc and since it's the hardest it counted for all of them.

Open their qt you should see your block plus transaction fees

Yup you're solo mining, the coins are easier than Bitcoin but great luck on 36 ghs

NMC shows a transaction on 5/4/2014 +0.01331598 NMC Address MxoBdy13H7P9zxfgXXhz9piUkgQFgL8nGz

all of my coins IXC, NMC and DVC got a pay out at the same time.

Norgan, whatever those payouts are, they are not from merge mining.  Merge mining gives you a full block reward for the coins.  Here's an example.  If you find the hash that generates the next BTC block, and you are merge mining NMC, IXC, DVC, etc, you will get the full block reward for NMC, IXC and DVC because the hash from the BTC satisfies the requirements for all of the other coins.  If you happen to find a hash that satisfies the requirements for IXC (currently ~4.5 billion) you would ONLY get the block reward for that coin because NMC and DVC have a higher target difficulty.

Long story short, you either get the full block reward or nothing because you are essentially solo-mining those other coins.
They came from somewhere and they are only there for merged mining not for any transactions. Any ideas where they may have come from?

As mdude77 said, check out the transaction in the block chain: http://bitinfocharts.com/namecoin/tx/127db0ef17298714e69bd75e9b664c6a7557a5374cbbb086cbdf237a541be038

Definitely not mined coin.

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May 17, 2014, 12:37:12 AM
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As mdude77 said, check out the transaction in the block chain: http://bitinfocharts.com/namecoin/tx/127db0ef17298714e69bd75e9b664c6a7557a5374cbbb086cbdf237a541be038

Definitely not mined coin.
Yeah interesting. It came in from a few addresses. Could it be a fee or something?

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May 17, 2014, 01:17:00 AM
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have not caught a share in 4 hrs.. starting to wonder if something is wrong after restart ha.

Should I be worried about these? I didn't see any before I restarted today. I searched around and it doesn't seem like an issue on my node or miners from what I can find.
Any info guys? I'm still reading and searching.

Punishing share for 'Block-stale detected!

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May 17, 2014, 01:40:40 AM
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have not caught a share in 4 hrs.. starting to wonder if something is wrong after restart ha.

Should I be worried about these? I didn't see any before I restarted today. I searched around and it doesn't seem like an issue on my node or miners from what I can find.
Any info guys? I'm still reading and searching.

Punishing share for 'Block-stale detected!

You'll see stale blocks more than on normal pools with p2pool, it's pretty normal as far as I know.

I've only got 2 shares in the last 48 hours but then i'm only hashing at 36gh/s

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May 17, 2014, 01:50:34 AM
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Never mind   Grin
Total: 1 (Orphan: 0, Dead: 0)

Ok.. i over reacted. Sorry about that.

The latency seems pretty high, but I don't know if that is related. It's been .2-.3 for last few days and now .8 for last few hours. I thought I would have seen one share by now after my restart. Just paranoid..lol. I added new miner last night and just want to make sure everything is good.
I think node is fine and I would have better luck relaxing Wink especially after seeing 1.

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Shares:   Total: 0 (Orphan: 0, Dead: 0

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have not caught a share in 4 hrs.. starting to wonder if something is wrong after restart ha.

Should I be worried about these? I didn't see any before I restarted today. I searched around and it doesn't seem like an issue on my node or miners from what I can find.
Any info guys? I'm still reading and searching.

Punishing share for 'Block-stale detected!

You'll see stale blocks more than on normal pools with p2pool, it's pretty normal as far as I know.

I've only got 2 shares in the last 48 hours but then i'm only hashing at 36gh/s

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May 17, 2014, 07:03:18 AM
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Looked at some other pools and it looks the same.
man my GetBlock Latency has gone through the roof in the last couple of hrs. Restarted and same. Sever load very low.

Anyone else see this?

Yeah same here and my payout has dropped way low. My last was at least half what it should be and my hash rate has been steady. I also have now incoming peers.
Latency is much better now.

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May 17, 2014, 01:59:11 PM
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Anyone else here using an S2 with p2pool?  I noticed something peculiar.  When I have it pointed to p2pool, my S2 (and p2pool) reports it around 924gh/s, when it should be 1th/s.  I've tried it on several different nodes with different difficulties, with the same result.  That's after letting it run for a day or so.

I can't tell if I'm getting the proper shares or not because the pool hashrate keeps jumping all over the place. I think I'm a little low, but not 100% sure.

Yet if I point it at Eligius, it's about 990gh/s, give or take.

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May 17, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
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Anyone else here using an S2 with p2pool?  I noticed something peculiar.  When I have it pointed to p2pool, my S2 (and p2pool) reports it around 924gh/s, when it should be 1th/s.  I've tried it on several different nodes with different difficulties, with the same result.  That's after letting it run for a day or so.

I can't tell if I'm getting the proper shares or not because the pool hashrate keeps jumping all over the place. I think I'm a little low, but not 100% sure.

Yet if I point it at Eligius, it's about 990gh/s, give or take.

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Dead shares. My 36gh/s has between 2 and 3gh/s dead shares so effective hash rate as calculated by p2poo is lower than actual??

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May 17, 2014, 02:30:46 PM
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Anyone else here using an S2 with p2pool?  I noticed something peculiar.  When I have it pointed to p2pool, my S2 (and p2pool) reports it around 924gh/s, when it should be 1th/s.  I've tried it on several different nodes with different difficulties, with the same result.  That's after letting it run for a day or so.

I can't tell if I'm getting the proper shares or not because the pool hashrate keeps jumping all over the place. I think I'm a little low, but not 100% sure.

Yet if I point it at Eligius, it's about 990gh/s, give or take.

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Dead shares. My 36gh/s has between 2 and 3gh/s dead shares so effective hash rate as calculated by p2poo is lower than actual??

I thought of that.  The problem is the S2 is also reporting the same hashrate.

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May 17, 2014, 02:43:43 PM
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mdude77, there's some discussion in the S2 hardware thread about the lower-than-expected hash rates.  People are blaming a few things:
  • Under-powered PSU with which S2 ships
  • Crap soldering of chips to the boards

I've been debating between the S2 and the SP-10 Dawson as my next hardware purchase.  The price difference is pretty significant - at this point with S2 coupons (or 112bit's group buy) I could almost get 2 of them for the price of a single Dawson - even if I were to jump on RoadStress' group buy of the Dawson.  Unfortunately I don't know if I've got enough available circuits in my house to handle 2 more miners - and paying someone outlandish rates to host in a data center isn't going to happen, either.  I might be calling in the electrician to see if I can get a new 240/30 circuit and install my own rack/cabinet at home.

Anyhow... that was way off topic, sorry about that Smiley

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mdude77, there's some discussion in the S2 hardware thread about the lower-than-expected hash rates.  People are blaming a few things:
  • Under-powered PSU with which S2 ships
  • Crap soldering of chips to the boards

I've been debating between the S2 and the SP-10 Dawson as my next hardware purchase.  The price difference is pretty significant - at this point with S2 coupons (or 112bit's group buy) I could almost get 2 of them for the price of a single Dawson - even if I were to jump on RoadStress' group buy of the Dawson.  Unfortunately I don't know if I've got enough available circuits in my house to handle 2 more miners - and paying someone outlandish rates to host in a data center isn't going to happen, either.  I might be calling in the electrician to see if I can get a new 240/30 circuit and install my own rack/cabinet at home.

Anyhow... that was way off topic, sorry about that Smiley

Can you give me the link you are referring to?  As I said it only happens with p2pool.  And I replaced the PSU.

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May 17, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
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mdude77, there's some discussion in the S2 hardware thread about the lower-than-expected hash rates.  People are blaming a few things:
  • Under-powered PSU with which S2 ships
  • Crap soldering of chips to the boards

I've been debating between the S2 and the SP-10 Dawson as my next hardware purchase.  The price difference is pretty significant - at this point with S2 coupons (or 112bit's group buy) I could almost get 2 of them for the price of a single Dawson - even if I were to jump on RoadStress' group buy of the Dawson.  Unfortunately I don't know if I've got enough available circuits in my house to handle 2 more miners - and paying someone outlandish rates to host in a data center isn't going to happen, either.  I might be calling in the electrician to see if I can get a new 240/30 circuit and install my own rack/cabinet at home.

Anyhow... that was way off topic, sorry about that Smiley

Can you give me the link you are referring to?  As I said it only happens with p2pool.  And I replaced the PSU.

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I saw your other post as well.  I missed the part where you stated this was solely a p2pool issue, and that Eligius reports at 990GH/s.  I checked the graphs on your node, and the attached miners seem to have the proper mean hashing speed (assuming of course your S2s are on your node) Smiley.

What really strikes me as odd is the S2 itself reporting the lower-than-expected hash rate exclusively when you point it to p2pool.  I wonder if the version of cgminer the S2 ships with might be the culprit?  I know kano had released a new binary of cgminer for the S1.  Maybe he's got one for the S2 as well?

Wish I could be of more help.  In your other thread you mentioned there is one chain not reporting temps, but only a single X in the list, so I'm not sure that would be the problem.  Again, I keep falling back to your statement that it works properly on Eligius, but not on p2pool.  That really seems to rule out a hardware problem.  Since you've already changed out the PSU with no effect and made sure the boards are properly seated, I'm out of other ideas.

EDIT: p2pool itself has been acting up recently.  For example, there are a number of threads wondering why the getBlockTemplate latency is spiking across the board.  I'm a victim of it as well.  It's upwards of 1s now.  Between 3am and 8am this morning the latency was normal, but before and after it sits at least 2.5 times higher than normal.  I saw the same trend on the graphs on your node.  Another thing I've noticed is that my local DOA percentage has climbed.  Initially I was running about 1% or so... now I'm averaging about 4-6%.  You can see the steady progression upwards on the monthly graphs on my node.

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