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Author Topic: [1500 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool  (Read 2591571 times)
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June 16, 2014, 11:25:46 PM
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The mechanics are that every share you find is added to the share chain.

Thanks for the info.
What I'm unable to figure out, and nobody gets what I'm asking, is if blocks are discovered by the pool without me finding a share during that "round", since as far as p2pool is concerned I didn't do anything. Do I just lose out in the long run, or does it somehow magically average out over the course of a month I'll get comparable payouts from a centralized pool in the long run?
Again, this is in the case of getting 0 pool shares, I realize that once my miner finds a real share, its all good, I am talking about the case where the hash rate is too low to find even a single share after many blocks go by. When I do find a share, I'm only credited for a few hours of mining, my miner finally found one, and if I had been mining at a normal pool I would have gotten 3x that amount. So if I just stuck with it in p2pool for a month, would it average out even though I am not finding any shares for multiple blocks?
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June 16, 2014, 11:27:17 PM
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How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

I don't know. I just added a few that I found near me under 30ms and set the default nodes to 4.

Posted here to see if others have noticed a difference to see if it is worthwhile. Will give it more time to see.

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June 17, 2014, 12:15:46 AM
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So if I just stuck with it in p2pool for a month, would it average out even though I am not finding any shares for multiple blocks?

That's right, but while block difficulty is rising fast, it's more of a gamble than a centralised pool if you're using hashrates where the statistically expected time to share is more than the statistically expected time to a block for the pool. But it depends on how long your window of opportunity is while your equipment is still competitive.

Here's the most extreme way to illustrate the risks. If you get all your best luck with shares early on in the useful life of the miner, and p2pool does too with the network blocks, then you will comfortably do much better than with a centralised pool. If it were the opposite extreme, and you get your worst luck with shares and p2pool has it's worst luck with blocks, then you may end up with uneconomic mining hardware before you have a chance for the luck to rebalance.

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June 17, 2014, 12:19:19 AM
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What I'm unable to figure out, and nobody gets what I'm asking, is if blocks are discovered by the pool without me finding a share during that "round", since as far as p2pool is concerned I didn't do anything. Do I just lose out in the long run, or does it somehow magically average out over the course of a month I'll get comparable payouts from a centralized pool in the long run?


Yes, it evens out in the long-run. While you may not get paid for every block found, there will be times when you get over-paid. I myself (with 10GHash/s) just went about a month with no pay-outs. This past week, I was paid 7.36311mBTC (including a donation due to the Ghash.io situation).

Also frustrating is when you find a share, but the pool does not find a block within 3 days Tongue


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June 17, 2014, 01:26:40 AM
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Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M


Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

-Dave

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June 17, 2014, 01:30:57 AM
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Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M


Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth! Smiley

M

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June 17, 2014, 09:43:19 AM
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Bitcoin core 0.9.2 now available https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655359.0;topicseen tested with p2pool

Upgrade by shutting down Bitcoin core, install the new one, start and p2pool will reconnect to the new build.

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June 17, 2014, 11:55:44 AM
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Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M


Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth! Smiley

M
Another friendly FSC donation of 100,000.  Tx ID: e3cee58a12a227bf6fd7a69514f07fa003e79fa4b058a893e93d39deab1d50ce

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June 17, 2014, 02:40:10 PM
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Hey folks!

It has taken a little longer then expected, but I'm getting close to releasing a p2pool.info "like" service on my node.

Since I had to start from scratch things are a little different, but we added in some cool stats that were not previously available...

I started our data collectors on June 11th, here is a preview of the P2Pool graph including hashrate, doa, and # of miners:



I know this is a stretch, but I asked for historical blocks and got them so here goes....

Does anyone have historical hashrate data for p2pool?

Ideally I'm looking for the following:

UTC Timestamp
Global Rate
Global Non-stale Rate
Number of Miners

Our collectors run every minute, so that would be the ideal data interval.

Regardless, I'll be working towards getting this live (beta) this week...


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June 17, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
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Hey folks!

It has taken a little longer then expected, but I'm getting close to releasing a p2pool.info "like" service on my node.

Since I had to start from scratch things are a little different, but we added in some cool stats that were not previously available...

I started our data collectors on June 11th, here is a preview of the P2Pool graph including hashrate, doa, and # of miners:



I know this is a stretch, but I asked for historical blocks and got them so here goes....

Does anyone have historical hashrate data for p2pool?

Ideally I'm looking for the following:

UTC Timestamp
Global Rate
Global Non-stale Rate
Number of Miners

Our collectors run every minute, so that would be the ideal data interval.

Regardless, I'll be working towards getting this live (beta) this week...



While that would be excellent, I doubt anybody's got that kind of information available (other than the owner of p2pool.info).  You'd need someone who's had a node running since the beginning, and who has kept their logs the entire time so you could scrape through them.  Unless p2pool.info comes back, I think the historical stuff is likely lost Sad

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June 17, 2014, 03:08:13 PM
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Hi guys could you list our p2pool in your directory?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=655472.msg7363187
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June 17, 2014, 03:56:43 PM
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Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M


Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth! Smiley

M

A few more 0dd3b50ead7d2284928fa2f1caad29488b581d9f7208b1bf05006a5c8bb2d171

BTW where are you selling these? I did not know there was even a market till I saw you were collecting them.

-Dave

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June 17, 2014, 04:02:48 PM
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Updated list to include FSC (fusioncoin):

To help other p2pool ops that may be interested in sharing their merged mining income, I have dedicated addresses you can send to that I'll then convert to BTC and feed back into the pool:

DVC: 1f56VqR9ajX3K42qSaDezvKXFmruSDg1B
IXC: xaNQ54gxowcwHyxqGtFM4vwCfS84V6fmKF
NMC: N1XhWNmvGhFL145zmQGQv7Vug6mThNh1iQ
I0C: jMDtRnMAk2WxaoAw8HUceMaxPPqAuZ8AEN
FSC: Fjhv8Sk8iC7AF76CTJbKo1zkHLUbTTTBs2

(I haven't given up on this yet... despite the fact that it doesn't seem be going anywhere.)

M


Some FSC coming your way. TXID cc17467f0a744766e958fdfc9d0ac1a5cf2f26f05b1702ea07bd28b5c393d60c

Thanks!

I almost have 0.1 BTC worth! Smiley

M

A few more 0dd3b50ead7d2284928fa2f1caad29488b581d9f7208b1bf05006a5c8bb2d171

BTW where are you selling these? I did not know there was even a market till I saw you were collecting them.

-Dave


At the moment I'm not selling them.  They are just collecting.  The hope is someday there will be enough to sell and distribute, and/or they get valuable enough to sell.

M

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June 17, 2014, 04:26:13 PM
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I'm not sure how much, if any, market is going to exist in the future for the coin, since the website and block explorer are dead, and there's been virtually no activity at all on their threads.  If you can get any value at all, now might be the time to convert them.

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June 17, 2014, 04:58:37 PM
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How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

Hey guys... Newbie... running on windows machine, how would I run the command for the nodes?? my machine is just picking up a large group and I have no idea from where??? And help in that area would be great! Thanks....
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June 17, 2014, 05:04:33 PM
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How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

Hey guys... Newbie... running on windows machine, how would I run the command for the nodes?? my machine is just picking up a large group and I have no idea from where??? And help in that area would be great! Thanks....

Code:
run_p2pool.py --p2pool-node pool1:port --p2pool-node pool2:port ...

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June 17, 2014, 07:34:29 PM
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How many of you try to find nodes close to you and add them to your nodes when you run your node with --p2pool-node?

I've got my own nodes doing that, I have a couple nearby that I have added also. how advantageous is it exactly to do so do you think? does it make a huge difference?

Hey guys... Newbie... running on windows machine, how would I run the command for the nodes?? my machine is just picking up a large group and I have no idea from where??? And help in that area would be great! Thanks....

Code:
run_p2pool.py --p2pool-node pool1:port --p2pool-node pool2:port ...
OK one more thing please.... is there an advantage to running more then 1 pool at a time? in your explanation (run_p2pool.py --p2pool-node pool1:port --p2pool-node pool2:port)
it looks as if you are starting up 2 or 3 nodes? or is that 2 or 3 nodes that you are adding from other people to pool together??? and if thats the case can you use any port? and where do you find nodes to work with? Thanks for clearing it up a bit....

BY THE WAY... You guys are all so helpful and I have learned so much about the shares and the blocks and payouts from all of you!!!!!! THANKS
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Hey guys... Newbie... running on windows machine, how would I run the command for the nodes?? my machine is just picking up a large group and I have no idea from where??? And help in that area would be great! Thanks....


The --p2pool-node (or just -n shorthand) is the command line option for adding specific nodes on startup.

Be sure to add us!

Code:
-n minefast.coincadence.com:9332

However, I think what you are looking for is the nodes you are connected to, to see the list of IPs for p2pool nodes you are peered with go to:

Code:
http://yournode.com:9332/peer_addresses

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Hey guys... Newbie... running on windows machine, how would I run the command for the nodes?? my machine is just picking up a large group and I have no idea from where??? And help in that area would be great! Thanks....


The --p2pool-node (or just -n shorthand) is the command line option for adding specific nodes on startup.

Be sure to add us!

Code:
-n minefast.coincadence.com:9332

However, I think what you are looking for is the nodes you are connected to, to see the list of IPs for p2pool nodes you are peered with go to:

Code:
http://yournode.com:9332/peer_addresses



OK all making a lot more sense to me...
Now... by adding lets say you guys to my node list.... is that advantageous to you and or me? or at the end of the day are all p2pool nodes are working for the same blocks?Huh
by putting our nodes together do we create a better chance of shares and blocks? Hey I want to run p2pool and do it the right way for all of us....
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OK all making a lot more sense to me...
Now... by adding lets say you guys to my node list.... is that advantageous to you and or me? or at the end of the day are all p2pool nodes are working for the same blocks?Huh
by putting our nodes together do we create a better chance of shares and blocks? Hey I want to run p2pool and do it the right way for all of us....


Typically you want to peer connect with nodes that are closer to you on the net (lower pings) and are relatively stable (stay running without restart longer and no big outages).  Reduced latency between you and peers gives your miners a better chance at valid blocks and shares and correspondingly lower DOA.

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