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May 29, 2014, 10:52:29 AM
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Hello all.

I have been giving p2pool a chance, for over three weeks now and i've seen quite some shares and blocks coming in. The Antminer S1's doing well... Very low latency and DOA node (minehammer.com).

So far so good, but... the rewards are lower than any other pool i've tested so far! See attached image.

I am expecting at least 0.048 for my 800Gh/s.
Highest payout has been 0.041 (once), lowest 0.025

Tried setting pseudo-difficulty higher to 1k for another week with no difference.

Is this what i can expect from p2pool or will get things better over time? I can't imagine i've to be patient for weeks to have pplns to settle...

I'm using 4 x antminer S1 on one wallet address. Also tried splitting up w/o avail.

Thanks for any advice and input!    

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May 29, 2014, 01:28:48 PM
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What's your orphan rate?

ed:  I just checked, it looks like they reset it just a little bit ago, so can't really tell atm.  It is showing 1 orphan out of 11 shares, if that was the norm, it'd be pretty crap..

read what mr. t says on nogleg.com:9555 ... the only change i'd make is that it's more like 7 interrupts per minute for DOGE.. p2pool *tries* to get a share every 15s, but it's faster than that in practice

i think bitcoin is supposed to be 30s shares, w/ the 10 min blocks (more like 8 minutes nowadays but w/e).  so would maybe call it like 3 interrupts a minute

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May 29, 2014, 08:42:08 PM
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Hello all.

I have been giving p2pool a chance, for over three weeks now and i've seen quite some shares and blocks coming in. The Antminer S1's doing well... Very low latency and DOA node (minehammer.com).

So far so good, but... the rewards are lower than any other pool i've tested so far! See attached image.

I am expecting at least 0.048 for my 800Gh/s.
Highest payout has been 0.041 (once), lowest 0.025

Tried setting pseudo-difficulty higher to 1k for another week with no difference.

Is this what i can expect from p2pool or will get things better over time? I can't imagine i've to be patient for weeks to have pplns to settle...

I'm using 4 x antminer S1 on one wallet address. Also tried splitting up w/o avail.

Thanks for any advice and input!    

Martin Beek.



Keep persisting with it man. 
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May 29, 2014, 11:37:11 PM
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Looks like my pool stats did report normally after a couple shares were submitted, and I was also paid the other missing shares after I had restarted p2pool.  Now I have a couple of questions maybe you can help me out with:

I would like to have each miner use a non wallet address rather than configure each miner with the same address for better individual tracking.  I figured this could happen a couple ways, 1 would be to create a new receiving address in the wallet for each miner, but that seems to wasteful.  2.  I was thinking to set the pool fee to 100% and set the -a payout address and then configure miners with any textual username I prefer.

How would one do this will the least amount of effort?


Can you share that frontend your using?  Im used to mining on slush's pool so I understand a little about variance.  mdude77 I do indeed have new cgminer for s1.

Im still confused about the data on the homepage and if my data is normal for a newly configured p2pool, or if i need to look further into it.  Here is the stats listed
http://s2.postimg.org/lh6uy5iqx/Capture.jpg

Is the "expected time to share" normal for my node uptime?  Ive seen others that show it down to an hour with similar pool speed as mine.  I suppose most of my confusion is that with slushs pool i see shares coming in from my miners much more frequently than this and of course they state the average btc for current round as well.  I feel im flying more blind with p2pool, especially with 0 as expected payout.  The vanilla p2pool interface showed an expected payout number, even when pool was freshly fired up and went up/down as data came through.

I'm actively developing the front end on my site, it's still in beta and requires PHP and a DB to be set up on the node.... It does address some of your concerns about not being able to see shares after a restart... I posted some of the preliminary code in this thread here if you want to check it out.

The expected time to share looks about right to me, here is one of my miners (2x S1), about double your speed, about 1/2 the expected time-to-share:

http://mining.coincadence.com/miner.php?id=13AxQAKFiy6Dks5Jwdbah3rhMJAJ9UzwHk


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May 29, 2014, 11:43:30 PM
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I'm using 4 x antminer S1 on one wallet address. Also tried splitting up w/o avail.

Make sure you're using Kano's cgminer patch for S1s.

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May 30, 2014, 12:21:16 AM
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Looks like my pool stats did report normally after a couple shares were submitted, and I was also paid the other missing shares after I had restarted p2pool.  Now I have a couple of questions maybe you can help me out with:

I would like to have each miner use a non wallet address rather than configure each miner with the same address for better individual tracking.  I figured this could happen a couple ways, 1 would be to create a new receiving address in the wallet for each miner, but that seems to wasteful.  2.  I was thinking to set the pool fee to 100% and set the -a payout address and then configure miners with any textual username I prefer.

How would one do this will the least amount of effort?

There's nothing wasteful with giving your workers individual addresses - and it's the easiest  Wink

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May 30, 2014, 12:35:54 AM
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Looks like my pool stats did report normally after a couple shares were submitted, and I was also paid the other missing shares after I had restarted p2pool.  Now I have a couple of questions maybe you can help me out with:

I would like to have each miner use a non wallet address rather than configure each miner with the same address for better individual tracking.  I figured this could happen a couple ways, 1 would be to create a new receiving address in the wallet for each miner, but that seems to wasteful.  2.  I was thinking to set the pool fee to 100% and set the -a payout address and then configure miners with any textual username I prefer.

How would one do this will the least amount of effort?

There's nothing wasteful with giving your workers individual addresses - and it's the easiest  Wink

If you name a miner anything other than a direct wallet address then it'll go to the default wallet

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May 30, 2014, 03:32:09 AM
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Looks like my pool stats did report normally after a couple shares were submitted, and I was also paid the other missing shares after I had restarted p2pool.  Now I have a couple of questions maybe you can help me out with:

I would like to have each miner use a non wallet address rather than configure each miner with the same address for better individual tracking.  I figured this could happen a couple ways, 1 would be to create a new receiving address in the wallet for each miner, but that seems to wasteful.  2.  I was thinking to set the pool fee to 100% and set the -a payout address and then configure miners with any textual username I prefer.

How would one do this will the least amount of effort?

There's nothing wasteful with giving your workers individual addresses - and it's the easiest  Wink

If you name a miner anything other than a direct wallet address then it'll go to the default wallet


I assume that's what he meant, by saying individual addresses instead of individual names

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May 30, 2014, 10:05:23 AM
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I assume that's what he meant, by saying individual addresses instead of individual names

You assumed correctly my good fellow  Wink

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May 30, 2014, 11:06:05 AM
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Hi Windpath, thanks for the info here, im running some s1 and was having hard time with google on a definitive response to setting the pseudo share.

In case you missed it, make sure you update your S1 with the cgminer patch for p2pool.

https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer-binaries/tree/master/AntS1

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I've just got a few S1's and are mining on my node, what does the update fix?
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May 30, 2014, 01:28:54 PM
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Anyone have any definitive thoughts on how to get S2s working with p2pool at full capacity?  I can't justify losing 10% of my hashpower to use p2pool.

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I got one arriving tomorrow - I'll let you know how I get on, but 10% is too much to lose for sure - especially at the price of them  Wink

Sooo, got the S2 yesterday, spent a few hours doing the obligatory stripping, checking & fixing various loose/unconnected cables, boards etc and flashing a new image to a 4GB class 10 microSD before firing her up. Then spent another 10 hours or so playing with a few settings before coming to the conclusion that using it on p2pool is pretty much pointless (unless you're happy losing ~10% of your mining power) until Kano can work his magic on an updated miner for it. No amount of messing will change anything until this is done - so it's now pointed at a different pool until then, hashing at full capacity @ ~1050Gh/s on standard settings (compared to <940Gh/s on p2pool).

Just gotta be patient I suppose........ Wink

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May 30, 2014, 01:43:20 PM
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Sooo, got the S2 yesterday, spent a few hours doing the obligatory stripping, checking & fixing various loose/unconnected cables, boards etc and flashing a new image to a 4GB class 10 microSD before firing her up. Then spent another 10 hours or so playing with a few settings before coming to the conclusion that using it on p2pool is pretty much pointless (unless you're happy losing ~10% of your mining power) until Kano can work his magic on an updated miner for it. No amount of messing will change anything until this is done - so it's now pointed at a different pool until then, hashing at full capacity @ ~1050Gh/s on standard settings (compared to <940Gh/s on p2pool).

Just gotta be patient I suppose........ Wink

Man, what a bummer. Love my Ants, but sure wish Bitmain would stop messing with cgminer! Hopefully a fix is ready soon....

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May 30, 2014, 05:54:33 PM
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I've been looking for a good time to switch some of my hashpower over to a p2p system.  I'm curious though (and I'll be honest, I haven't read through as much of this as I should of), but where does this 2% fee go?  Does this get distributed to people who run nodes somehow?

Also, It sounds like its not worth it to bring my S2's over, but with the newest firmware and https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer-binaries/tree/master/AntS1 - I should be OK to bring my S1's over?

Sorry I'm a total newb, but I get antsy to switch because Slush's luck has been insanely high lately, and that's usually the perfect time to pool hop to this model because it supports further decentralization.

so ELI5 away, I won't be offended Tongue.

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May 30, 2014, 06:00:35 PM
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Yes, Kano's fix  for the S1 works wonders with p2pool - come aboard  Wink

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May 30, 2014, 07:01:38 PM
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where does this 2% fee go?

What 2% fee?

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Damn... that made me dizzy... kinda like the good old days...


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May 30, 2014, 07:50:57 PM
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I've been looking for a good time to switch some of my hashpower over to a p2p system.  I'm curious though (and I'll be honest, I haven't read through as much of this as I should of), but where does this 2% fee go?  Does this get distributed to people who run nodes somehow?

Also, It sounds like its not worth it to bring my S2's over, but with the newest firmware and https://github.com/kanoi/cgminer-binaries/tree/master/AntS1 - I should be OK to bring my S1's over?

Sorry I'm a total newb, but I get antsy to switch because Slush's luck has been insanely high lately, and that's usually the perfect time to pool hop to this model because it supports further decentralization.

so ELI5 away, I won't be offended Tongue.

There is no set fee for P2Pool, it varies by node, and many nodes operate at 0% fees.

There are 2 fees that can be set on any given node:

1. A donation % for the developer (forrestv)
2. A donation % for the node default address

These 2 fees can be configured in any combination, again many node operators set them to 0, some do not.

If you run your own node you can set your fee to whatever you want.

It's notable that P2Pool "fees" are implemented as a % of shares submitted and not of total payouts...

If your in the US and looking for a 0% node check out the link in my signature Wink

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May 30, 2014, 07:53:49 PM
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Does anyone have or know of a list containing all P2Pool found block hashes (including orphans)?

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May 30, 2014, 10:40:01 PM
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Anyone have idea about the speed getting share in this pool?

He ask me to check his pool.  He used to get 5.5 btc per block.  But after he get more hash power to reach 100t,  payout getting slower and slower.
I noticed his share didnt increase, or increase slowly.

After he reboot the linux server...  nothing change. His pool still be slower than other peoples..  He had about 105T hashrate.

Here it's his log file and his pool address.

We guess... Is there a bug if someone have 1/4-1/5 hashrate more than global pool?    Should he create more pool and avg his hash power? like 25t for each pool?

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http://1tbtc.meibu.net:9332/static/

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http://1tbtc.meibu.net:9332/static/


Local rate: 104TH/s (3.0% DOA) Expected time to share: 1.3 minutes

He should get one share every 1.3 min ..but he get one share about 10-40min or more...  What is the problem?


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May 30, 2014, 10:43:45 PM
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Anyone have idea about the speed getting share in this pool?

He ask me to check his pool.  He used to get 5.5 btc per block.  But after he get more hash power to reach 100t,  payout getting slower and slower.
I noticed his share didnt increase, or increase slowly.

After he reboot the linux server...  nothing change. His pool still be slower than other peoples..  He had about 105T hashrate.

Here it's his log file and his pool address.

We guess... Is there a bug if someone have 1/4-1/5 hashrate more than global pool?    Should he create more pool and avg his hash power? like 25t for each pool?

pool address
http://1tbtc.meibu.net:9332/static/

his log file ( dropbox zip link )
http://1tbtc.meibu.net:9332/static/


Local rate: 104TH/s (3.0% DOA) Expected time to share: 1.3 minutes

He should get one share every 1.3 min ..but he get one share about 10-40min or more...  What is the problem?




I would guess because of his hashrate his diff is getting increased above the current p2pool minimum of 1780000 which is where the estimate of 1.3 is coming from. It's not a problem...it's by design. He really does not need a share every 1.3 minutes. His payouts should be the same regardless as the shares he does get are worth more.

Edit: I was only addressing this part: "He should get one share every 1.3 min ..but he get one share about 10-40min or more...  What is the problem?"

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