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March 04, 2014, 09:18:44 PM
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0 in peers is fine, you have 7 out so you are connected. You only get paid if you find shares for the share chain and

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Local rate: 3.88GH/s (7.3% DOA) Expected time to share: 5.8 days

Is not pretty. It will take you on average 6 days to find a share. That share will be worth enough to cover 6 days of earnings, except the pool also needs to find a block while your share is active.

Some miners with 180GH of hash power don't like using p2pool because of the variance. Using it with 4GH... you can do it, but you might wait weeks at a time without a payment if you have bad luck.

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March 05, 2014, 12:17:30 AM
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0 in peers is fine, you have 7 out so you are connected. You only get paid if you find shares for the share chain and

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Local rate: 3.88GH/s (7.3% DOA) Expected time to share: 5.8 days

Is not pretty. It will take you on average 6 days to find a share. That share will be worth enough to cover 6 days of earnings, except the pool also needs to find a block while your share is active.

Some miners with 180GH of hash power don't like using p2pool because of the variance. Using it with 4GH... you can do it, but you might wait weeks at a time without a payment if you have bad luck.

for sure it does not have big sense to have own node for such small hash power. you should connect your power then at least to one node where are already some miners, so you will have little better chance to find a share. or try to find some more miner for your own node.

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March 05, 2014, 12:21:50 AM
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Is not pretty. It will take you on average 6 days to find a share. That share will be worth enough to cover 6 days of earnings, except the pool also needs to find a block while your share is active.

Some miners with 180GH of hash power don't like using p2pool because of the variance. Using it with 4GH... you can do it, but you might wait weeks at a time without a payment if you have bad luck.

For now, waiting weeks is unlikely (but possible). The average for the pool to find a block is only a day and a half, so very likely it will find one during the three days your share is active.  

My feeling on this has always been if its a hobby (and it damn well better be a hobby at 4 GH) then treat it as such, have fun with the small "raffle" and help the bitcoin and p2pool networks by running a node

This will get worse as difficulty continues to grow if the p2pool network doesn't keep up (and it doesn't look like it will), but still no reason not to treat it like a fun raffle if you are mining as a hobby.
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March 05, 2014, 01:06:05 AM
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re: creating p2pools for alt currencies
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Ure right, removed it on my fork
https://github.com/Rav3nPL/p2pool-rav/commit/a19b69536f0e79869a863b6603459e1055441a1a
Will restart all my nodes one by one to make it happen.

ah, nice, just noticed this

i'll probably start up the doge pool again

ah, long live doge, too boring to monitor all the new shitcoins, just leave it on there for a month or so
now if ppl would just upgrade their doge pools to new version.

alas

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March 05, 2014, 01:09:18 AM
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Is there anyway to disable the wallet function in P2Pool and have it instead forward the percentage of shares the note is to receive to a different wallet?

I have hit a stumbling block; over a week a go I initiated a transfer of over 1/2 a bitcoin and Bitcoin-QT told me I need to account for 0.0004 of the fee, so I did that and ever since the transfer has been in limbo, it looks like bitcoin-qt gave me the wrong fee to account for it if I understand the blockchain correctly.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/7bbbc7b5fac8c2973e9c62a17cead946b9cf1832aac47479799ce566fafabcc1

Also I need to figure out if can fix this issue or have I lost those coins? Sad

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correct fee for that is 0.0004, the fee on link provided is 0.00004

chances of getting into a block that is less than 10k (or 27k if it's priority)  in size is slim

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March 05, 2014, 01:11:53 AM
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Is there anyway to disable the wallet function in P2Pool and have it instead forward the percentage of shares the note is to receive to a different wallet?

I have hit a stumbling block; over a week a go I initiated a transfer of over 1/2 a bitcoin and Bitcoin-QT told me I need to account for 0.0004 of the fee, so I did that and ever since the transfer has been in limbo, it looks like bitcoin-qt gave me the wrong fee to account for it if I understand the blockchain correctly.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/7bbbc7b5fac8c2973e9c62a17cead946b9cf1832aac47479799ce566fafabcc1

Also I need to figure out if can fix this issue or have I lost those coins? Sad

Thanks,



correct fee for that is 0.0004, the fee on link provided is 0.00004

chances of getting into a block that is less than 10k (or 27k if it's priority)  in size is slim

Thanks. I am in the process of moving my P2Pool so I can use pywallet and leave my bitcoin-qt shutdown for a week or so, hopefully the it will be removed from the blockchain then so I can resend it with the correct amount, then move my P2Pool back.

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March 05, 2014, 01:14:41 AM
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Is there anyway to disable the wallet function in P2Pool and have it instead forward the percentage of shares the note is to receive to a different wallet?

I have hit a stumbling block; over a week a go I initiated a transfer of over 1/2 a bitcoin and Bitcoin-QT told me I need to account for 0.0004 of the fee, so I did that and ever since the transfer has been in limbo, it looks like bitcoin-qt gave me the wrong fee to account for it if I understand the blockchain correctly.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/7bbbc7b5fac8c2973e9c62a17cead946b9cf1832aac47479799ce566fafabcc1

Also I need to figure out if can fix this issue or have I lost those coins? Sad

Thanks,



correct fee for that is 0.0004, the fee on link provided is 0.00004

chances of getting into a block that is less than 10k (or 27k if it's priority)  in size is slim

Thanks. I am in the process of moving my P2Pool so I can use pywallet and leave my bitcoin-qt shutdown for a week or so, hopefully the it will be removed from the blockchain then so I can resend it with the correct amount, then move my P2Pool back.



the way to fix those is just to create a new wallet.dat (back up old one ofc), then import private key of the address that sent those coins that never arrived and reindex blockchain

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March 05, 2014, 01:14:50 AM
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Thanks. I am in the process of moving my P2Pool so I can use pywallet and leave my bitcoin-qt shutdown for a week or so, hopefully the it will be removed from the blockchain then so I can resend it with the correct amount, then move my P2Pool back.

Yes it will eventually time out and you will get your coins back, unless it happens to get mined by someone who doesn't care about the fee.

Minor correction to your terminology though. It isn't in the "blockchain" just the memory pool (collection of unmined transactions that have been sent).

EDIT: You still need to remove the transaction from your wallet so you can resend, which seems most easily done by (temporarily) creating a new wallet and importing the private keys for all the inputs on the transaction. That sounds like a pain, but it is what it is.


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March 05, 2014, 02:52:42 AM
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Is there anyway to setup bitcoin-qt so it subtracts the correct fee from your send transfers without you having to do it manually like multibit does?

Thanks,
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March 05, 2014, 07:42:23 PM
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Hi guys,

A new miner here. I am currently mining on a p2pool. I have two gaming computers mining to one address. When I check the p2pool hashrate (on their website) adding the second computer doesn't do anything to my hashrate.

Am I doing something wrong? Are other people finding this as well?

Thank you in advance!

Edit: Second computer is at a different house, if that matters.

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March 05, 2014, 09:41:34 PM
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Hi guys,

A new miner here. I am currently mining on a p2pool. I have two gaming computers mining to one address. When I check the p2pool hashrate (on their website) adding the second computer doesn't do anything to my hashrate.

Am I doing something wrong? Are other people finding this as well?

Thank you in advance!

Edit: Second computer is at a different house, if that matters.

You might try using separate addresses to try and isolate the problem. If you have two 180GH miners and they are both pointing to the same node with the same address, you should see a 360GH hash rate being reported.

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March 05, 2014, 10:47:42 PM
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Thank you,

I think that might be the problem. They might not be doing the same thing at the moment. Its also frustrating, since i'm new to this i'm trying to visit as many websites as possible so I don't have to ask as many silly questions.

Lastly, On a P2pool I was mining the last 24 hours and getting coins sent to my wallet. The coins being sent in was in a parabola curve. Now i'm at "no shares yet" for the last 3 hours. Is that a common thing for a p2pool?

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March 06, 2014, 12:48:35 AM
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Hello Guys, I am trying to Merge Mine LiteCoin and FeatherCoin but am getting this error all the time:

2014-02-12 18:25:06.003000 > Error while calling merged getauxblock on http://127.0.0.1:9336:
2014-02-12 18:25:06.033000 > Traceback (most recent call last):
2014-02-12 18:25:06.045000 >   File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\defer.py", line 577, in _runCallbacks
2014-02-12 18:25:06.059000 >     current.result = callback(current.result, *args, **kw)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.071000 >   File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\defer.py", line 1155, in gotResult
2014-02-12 18:25:06.084000 >     _inlineCallbacks(r, g, deferred)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.097000 >   File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\defer.py", line 1097, in _inlineCallbacks
2014-02-12 18:25:06.110000 >     result = result.throwExceptionIntoGenerator(g)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.136000 >   File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\python\failure.py", line 389, in throwExceptionIntoGenerator
2014-02-12 18:25:06.242000 >     return g.throw(self.type, self.value, self.tb)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.253000 > --- <exception caught here> ---
2014-02-12 18:25:06.268000 >   File "C:\Users\Andradek\Documents\GitHub\p2pool-rav\p2pool\util\deferral.py", line 41, in f
2014-02-12 18:25:06.279000 >     result = yield func(*args, **kwargs)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.293000 >   File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\internet\defer.py", line 1097, in _inlineCallbacks
2014-02-12 18:25:06.294000 >     result = result.throwExceptionIntoGenerator(g)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.305000 >   File "C:\Python27\lib\site-packages\twisted\python\failure.py", line 389, in throwExceptionIntoGenerator
2014-02-12 18:25:06.319000 >     return g.throw(self.type, self.value, self.tb)
2014-02-12 18:25:06.331000 >   File "C:\Users\Andradek\Documents\GitHub\p2pool-rav\p2pool\util\jsonrpc.py", line 133, in _http_do
2014-02-12 18:25:06.344000 >     raise Error_for_code(resp['error']['code'])(resp['error']['message'], resp['error'].get('data', None))
2014-02-12 18:25:06.371000 > p2pool.util.jsonrpc.NarrowError: -32601 Method not found


Does anyone know how to solve this?

Sorry if this has been answered before but i am lost here! Please Help!

Note: I do not know if those coins are compatible for merged mining so forgive me if i am trying to mine "apples and and oranges" at the same time!

Thank You for you help,


Did you ever get this resolved? 


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March 06, 2014, 02:56:23 AM
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Thank you,

I think that might be the problem. They might not be doing the same thing at the moment. Its also frustrating, since i'm new to this i'm trying to visit as many websites as possible so I don't have to ask as many silly questions.

Lastly, On a P2pool I was mining the last 24 hours and getting coins sent to my wallet. The coins being sent in was in a parabola curve. Now i'm at "no shares yet" for the last 3 hours. Is that a common thing for a p2pool?

It just depends on your hash power and the difficulty of the coin you are mining. p2pool payments have more variance than traditional pools.

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Regarding http://bitcoin.advmapper.com:9332/static/

1: How can I tell if people are using my P2Pool node?
2: If I don't mine, is there any reason to host a P2Pool node?
3: My GetBlockTemplate latency is rarely/barely under 1 sec, even with just P2Pool and Bitcoind running. Why? CPU usage is almost nothing, disks are SSDs and there appears to be no swapping happening.
4: How do people find a P2Pool node to use, and what kinds of things helps them make the decision about which is best for them?
5: Is the P2Pool network hurting for nodes, or is there a surplus of nodes and it's just miners that are missing?
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Regarding http://bitcoin.advmapper.com:9332/static/

1: How can I tell if people are using my P2Pool node?
2: If I don't mine, is there any reason to host a P2Pool node?
3: My GetBlockTemplate latency is rarely/barely under 1 sec, even with just P2Pool and Bitcoind running. Why? CPU usage is almost nothing, disks are SSDs and there appears to be no swapping happening.
4: How do people find a P2Pool node to use, and what kinds of things helps them make the decision about which is best for them?
5: Is the P2Pool network hurting for nodes, or is there a surplus of nodes and it's just miners that are missing?

Hi,
1. If you look at the "Local rate"  on the link to your static page, you see 0.00H/s right now, so no one is using it yet.
2. You are running bitcoind, so that helps the bitcoin network, as far as p2pool, it helps provide redundancy.  Likewise, more nodes help p2pool so that block that are found propagate faster and reduce the chance of p2pool blocks becoming orphans.
3. You might point a miner to it and see if it shows the same information when someone is mining on it.  Otherwise, I would just be guessing.
4. Usually from lists or posts, I think.  Latency, reliability, those would be two criteria I would think are important.
5. The number of miners is lower than one would hope at the moment.  I think the number of nodes is okay, but it doesn't hurt to have more (see #2).


That is my quick take on the questions you asked.

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Thanks. Based on that, it sounds like maybe I don't need to be running a P2Pool. Doesn't benefit anybody much and it's just causing me heart-ache. :-)

I will continue running the bitcoind node, however.
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Regarding http://bitcoin.advmapper.com:9332/static/

1: How can I tell if people are using my P2Pool node?
2: If I don't mine, is there any reason to host a P2Pool node?
3: My GetBlockTemplate latency is rarely/barely under 1 sec, even with just P2Pool and Bitcoind running. Why? CPU usage is almost nothing, disks are SSDs and there appears to be no swapping happening.
4: How do people find a P2Pool node to use, and what kinds of things helps them make the decision about which is best for them?
5: Is the P2Pool network hurting for nodes, or is there a surplus of nodes and it's just miners that are missing?

4) orphan rate and whether DOA is excessive vis-a-vis probable latencies.  i used to mine at 200ms pool.  with 15s share times, i'd get around 2.5-3% DOA

example: p2pool.org latency isn't that bad, yet DOA far exceeds mathematical probability

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March 06, 2014, 08:50:36 PM
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Regarding http://bitcoin.advmapper.com:9332/static/

1: How can I tell if people are using my P2Pool node?
2: If I don't mine, is there any reason to host a P2Pool node?
3: My GetBlockTemplate latency is rarely/barely under 1 sec, even with just P2Pool and Bitcoind running. Why? CPU usage is almost nothing, disks are SSDs and there appears to be no swapping happening.
4: How do people find a P2Pool node to use, and what kinds of things helps them make the decision about which is best for them?
5: Is the P2Pool network hurting for nodes, or is there a surplus of nodes and it's just miners that are missing?

4) orphan rate and whether DOA is excessive vis-a-vis probable latencies.  i used to mine at 200ms pool.  with 15s share times, i'd get around 2.5-3% DOA

example: p2pool.org latency isn't that bad, yet DOA far exceeds mathematical probability

Mine are much lower now too out of 60 shares I have 4 orphan and 4 dead. It use to be a higher.
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Both of these make P2Pool easier to use; the eventual goal is being able to run P2Pool on the same hardware miners use, such as a Raspberry Pi, though that would likely require a laborious rewrite in C++ or another compiled language.

My current progress on this: I have a piece of software talking to bitcoind and augmenting blocks with UTXO merkle branches, feeding that to another piece of lightweight software that can trustlessly verify the blockchain, while holding O(1) state. I have a good idea about how the non-linear sharechain will work, but implementing that hasn't started yet.

  • Why a UTXO proof vs. a TXO proof?
  • How do you see these p2pool nodes starting up? Will they get the UTXO set from another node, or verify some or all of the blockchain themselves?
  • Have you thought about what happens during a 51% attack? What if p2pool has a larger share of hashing power than it does now?

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