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February 24, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
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Hi Stephen, nice info I can test cryptsy working if you want .... Thank you.
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February 24, 2014, 04:01:03 PM
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Count me in as a guinea pig as well. I have btc-e bots running well and would like to experiment with cryptsy.
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February 24, 2014, 08:03:34 PM
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hey stephan,

the new features and the cryptsy fix are nice. i would like to test it Smiley
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February 24, 2014, 11:57:22 PM
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- Insurance added: Never Sell Cheaper (Available within all licenses)
- Insurance added: Only sell at double fee-costs (Available within all licenses)


These are the two features I most wanted. Thanks!

A technicality: I believe you mean "Only sell at or greater than double fee-costs" (on top of purchase cost).
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February 25, 2014, 12:06:17 AM
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The next improvement I would like to be personally would simply be extending the benchmark period. Is this what interests other users or are others more interested in the auto tuning capabilities?

Also the benchmark trade log should be separate from the bot's trade log. The bot's trade log should be tied to that bot after it is created, and record all actual trades. It would be good to save the benchmark trade log, but the separation of the two is really what's important to me here.

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February 25, 2014, 12:31:39 AM
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The next improvement I would like to be personally would simply be extending the benchmark period. Is this what interests other users or are others more interested in the auto tuning capabilities?

Also the benchmark trade log should be separate from the bot's trade log. The bot's trade log should be tied to that bot after it is created, and record all actual trades. It would be good to save the benchmark trade log, but the separation of the two is really what's important to me here.

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I agree
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February 25, 2014, 12:41:31 AM
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Can anybody please explain to me:

1. As an 'old' customer having bought the STB bot in December 2013, how much do i need to pay in to get the full version of the trading server?
2. how much would it have cost to get the full trading server if i was a new customer who did not have the STB?
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February 25, 2014, 12:49:36 AM
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.45BTC to upgrade from STB. .9BTC w/o upgrade coupon.

The new product is not without it's flaws, but it's miles ahead of the old simple trading bot.
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February 25, 2014, 01:17:12 AM
Last edit: February 25, 2014, 12:45:37 PM by Stephan224
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The beta test is again open for version 0.9.8.0. Please submit me you email per PM so we can check you license and i will send the needed information to get in the beta test group.

The rated risk is low for this beta test.

If the test goes well then the update is scheduled in 2 days.

Edit:
I have written down the suggestions posted by the users. The login screen and the expansion of the backtest are scheduled to be added on the next update cycle. For the login i can be 100%, but for the backtest expansion i am not fully sure yet. The possible bottleneck could be users who use an older computer, we need to be sure those people can also use the longer backtest too. But i will do my best to work this out in time.

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February 25, 2014, 04:14:10 PM
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@Stephan

Please drop all support for those crooks over at MtGox.  They are officially a dead exchange as of last night.

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February 26, 2014, 08:27:09 AM
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Edit:
I have written down the suggestions posted by the users. The login screen and the expansion of the backtest are scheduled to be added on the next update cycle. For the login i can be 100%, but for the backtest expansion i am not fully sure yet. The possible bottleneck could be users who use an older computer, we need to be sure those people can also use the longer backtest too. But i will do my best to work this out in time.

It might be useful to display a backtest progess bar/% with a "cancel" button, in case you want to stop it for reason XYZ (like your computer is too slow or you want to change sth).

I also find the backtest behavior strange. It never seems to catch the latest prices/trends. Say I do an RSI-only backtest, with default values, I was testing it yesterday during the crash and it never picked up the  400$ trades, always the high 500$ ones, that were not even in the backtest window (then)?!? It would also consistently buy high and sell low, even when it was tested in the uptrend, after the price had rebounded. Huh
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February 26, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
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I also find the backtest behavior strange. It never seems to catch the latest prices/trends. Say I do an RSI-only backtest, with default values, I was testing it yesterday during the crash and it never picked up the  400$ trades, always the high 500$ ones, that were not even in the backtest window (then)?!? It would also consistently buy high and sell low, even when it was tested in the uptrend, after the price had rebounded. Huh
I guess that is due to the nature of the RSI indicator. As far as i understand it this indicator is not meant to be used alone but in combination with a trend indicator (such as MACD). You can use BitcoinWisdom to visualize the RSI indicator quickly. There you will see that if you use only this it will give you bad trades quite often. I also read somewhere that RSI+MACD fits sideways markets rather than trending markets (such as we're having right now) but since im not deep enough into this i can't confirm this.

@Stephan: Since this is my first post in this thread i also want to say that i really appreciate your work. I've been using STB since last december and have also tested an alternative. What i have learned so far is that it is really hard to tune a profitable bot and requires constant changes. Your work really seems to be going towards making this process easier, or even possible at all for people that don't really know much about technical analysis and i like that! So keep up the good work Smiley
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February 26, 2014, 02:40:42 PM
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True, its inside the nature of the RSI indicator. It in the name too, because RSI stands for relative strength index, in other words it relative. Its also fully true this indicator is used to get the best trade momentum on the short period, so combined with for example MA or MACD this indicators will work very good. (or you can use a StochRSI or stochastic too instead)

I can also tell that its sure possible to use this indicator stand-alone. But to make that work you need to expand the scope of the time-span the RSI watches. To make this work you can choose to increase the update timer to 2 minutes (or longer, i use normally 4min) or you could extend the length. By default 30 prices are used, but if you double this the scope will become lager too. By the end both solutions will just expand the time-span, giving a better relative position both in there own way.

Tuning the RSI with any other indicator can be hard, especially if you miss the total overview of whats happening. But this problem will soon become a part of the past. The update that is being tested right now will offer the ability to "auto-tune" an entire trade-bot at once. By offering this ability you can leave it up to the software to work out a good strategy. Wink

I will post some advises later on how to make optimal use of this new tuning feature, after the update is released. (i do this to avoid confusion right now)

Of course this technology is NOT fully solid. In some cases at some indicator combinations it just impossible to find out a good strategy. Or if the prices are in a downtrend, in that case the tuning will fail to because at that moment its up to the Safeties to do there work. In a stable or upward trend this is different, in these cases the tuning will work at its best.


About Cryptsy... it took us 2 beta testes but it looks like we have Crytpsy for the biggest part up and running again. I measure a success rate of more then 95% of reading the prices properly again. I also have had contact with Cryptsy themselves to ask whats going on and how to solve it. They have told me the main cause of the problems is a overload on there API. Thats why the prices are not coming back, especially now in the current version because the orderbook is just missing from the API. The work-around solves this for the biggest part at the moment. I hope Cryptsy itself will solve the server overload so we can get that remaining 5% inside the success rate.

About MtGox... At the current moment MtGox is down, trading has halted and the API does not show anymore activity. For the existing users this is not a direct problem, because the software just halted to in this situation. But the future for MtGox is unclear, personally i think they will be gone in a few days. So we are making preperations to move MtGox out of the software. No worry, the code will stay so if they will make a comeback we are ready. But we will remove them from the interface itself, its seems to serve no use to keep them in there if the trading is halted.

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February 26, 2014, 06:13:05 PM
Last edit: February 26, 2014, 06:49:41 PM by xpumpa
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Suggestion:

Tradebots list
- Divide amount by thousand.. Altcoins are really big. 3.000.000 or 3 000 000.
- Calculate and show profit in USD with actual price of cryptocoin
- Calculate and show totalprofit with costs (now it is without costs)
- Bottom of table SUM of profits...
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February 26, 2014, 08:25:31 PM
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I bought back in dec, didn't have much success but I'm willing to try this update out. will I have to pay to update?

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February 26, 2014, 08:41:11 PM
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In my log trade are lines:

26.2.2014 21:36:38 There are open orders.
26.2.2014 21:36:38 Indicators are in agreement of a sell command.

and it wont sell. Is it because of open orders? Open orders are my manual trading.

I have enough founds/coins for trade.
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February 26, 2014, 08:53:54 PM
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@trubar

That's the problem I had. Are you using the beta 0.9.8.0 by chance? Also the open orders screen was not working.

I had to revert to 0.9.7.0 to get trades moving again.
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February 26, 2014, 09:09:02 PM
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Yes. Thank you for info. I will do the same.
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February 27, 2014, 01:12:12 AM
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Slight delay on new update
Today we wanted to post a new update for everybody. But because of an error in our “final” test we have a slight delay on the new update. We will do our best to solve this and retest everything again. The current version is (of course) not affected by this.


@trubar and @solarion:
The "Open order" signal was holding you both back in the test. I have this solved now. As soon as i got some few other things figured out i would like to do another beta test before the real release.


I bought back in dec, didn't have much success but I'm willing to try this update out. will I have to pay to update?

No you do not have to, there is a donation license available for you.  Smiley

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February 27, 2014, 02:01:27 AM
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Thanks Stephan. Drop me a link when you're ready. The backtesting, autotune, and new signals were great. Keep up the good work.
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