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June 18, 2013, 07:33:34 PM
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The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

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June 18, 2013, 08:33:37 PM
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Reposting this, if this is THE thread (I'd bin the 'aegis' part of the title as just confusing)

Good as the other thread was locked.

is our wiki system really primitive or something (it mgiht well be)? As I thought in wikis once you put a categories section at the bottom of your article the category pages pick it up automatically, no one has to manually go around picking out page names and pasting them into the category pages, on the contrary the category pages are automatically created/generated and updated by the software.

All my pages I put a category on the bottom of should automagically appear on the corresponding category pages. in fact possibly even if i label them as in a category that does not exist it is possible the system is intended to automatically create that category, though i am not sure on that, maybe wikipedia doesn't want new categories made up on the spot for example.

it is possible that the script to create/update the categories is not being run on schedule by the cron daemon, but if so probably a human is expected to run it periodically.

Basically all the work you did pasting pagenames in the category pages should have been done by simply running a script.

it still of course depends on pages actually having a categories section listing what categories the page belongs in.

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Just to confirm for myself I tested the categorisation issue with a couple of articles and no it doesn't work automatically/isn't being run for existing or non-existing categories. Nevertheless I've tidied things up somewhat for when it will be working to make it a little more user friendly.

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June 18, 2013, 08:46:04 PM
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As I mentioned previously, I don't think that Devtome really helps to boost Devcoin market cap. But the general idea of revenue-generating wiki is sensible.

So I'm going to implement a "commercial wiki" for Devcoin.

It can work together with Devtome since there is no exclusivity requirement: you can post your material to Devtome and get Devtome bounty for words, then post it to a "commercial wiki" and get bounty for pageviews.

So, here's the idea:

  • there will be many separate and independent 'realms' which can compete with each other, or perhaps cater to different niches
  • to create a new realm you pay some amount of Devcoins
  • each realm has its own policies about what content should be added, quality standards, etc.
  • then you need to invite writers/editors, they need to pay some amount of Devcoins when they join, this prevents spam and Sybil attacks
  • now people can create wiki pages according to realm's policies. also people can improve presentation (custom CSS), do marketing etc.
  • when somebody edits an article he rates his contribution, e.g. 100% for a complete article, 1% for a small change etc.
  • ads are displayed on each page, via a-ads or other ad agency. Also we collect statistics about pageviews etc. So we can get some rough estiamate of page's relative popularity and revenue contribution.
  • proceedings from ad shows are paid to people who edited articles, proportional to their contributions
  • some part of revenue goes to people who contribute to realm in general, like CSS, marketing, etc. It is decided by vote.
  • of course, it is possible that somebody will try to cheat, to counter this it will be possible to punish this asshole via democratic vote among realm's members
  • also realm's members can vote on policies etc
  • finally if democracy doesn't work in this specific realm members who disagree can fork it (content is open source) and start their own realm

So the way I see it, people would create realms on specific topics, like bitcoin news, bitcoin mining info, fiction, etc.

What differentiates this "commercial wiki" from other venues:

  • democratically managed
  • open source, forkable
  • automatic monetization
  • proceedings spread among contributors in a fair fashion
  • helps devcoin as ad revenue will be converted into DVC before payouts
Sounds like a hybrid between plans for a new forum with email incorporating crypto fee-based spam-proofing, and plans to build ad revenue into devtome. Do you mean as an offshoot of that new forum or standalone commercialisation?

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June 18, 2013, 11:00:43 PM
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Sounds like a hybrid between plans for a new forum with email incorporating crypto fee-based spam-proofing,

Can you give me a link?

and plans to build ad revenue into devtome. Do you mean as an offshoot of that new forum or standalone commercialisation?

Well, I can do it only if it is very simple and I can control each aspect. (So that I can choose simplest solution to each problem.)

Which means standalone, unless I'll see some super-easy way to implement such forum. Perhaps making it email-centric or something.

Implementing a forum with all modern features can be really tedious, and integrating with existing software can be a real headache.

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June 19, 2013, 01:07:30 AM
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The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

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June 19, 2013, 02:16:53 AM
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Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

You may probably refer to http://d.evco.in/charity/ for some infos, specifically http://d.evco.in/charity/receiver_summary.txt. these file updated daily at UTC 00:30.

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June 19, 2013, 04:06:39 AM
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The round 24 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_24.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_24.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_24.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_24.csv

There were 1277 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 1277 = 140,955 dvc. At the current price of 0.885 btc/Mdvc, that is 0.125 btc/share. At the current price of 108 $/btc, that is 13 $/share. Administrator pay is 85.0 shares, 6.7 percent of the total.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 24, starting at block 96,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

The next bounties will go into round 25:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_25.csv

On Alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/devtome.com#

the 3 month pageviews are 0.0000074% and the 1 month pageviews are 0.0000038%.

This is awesome, thanks for letting me be a part of this, I love writing on Devtome!
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June 19, 2013, 09:04:32 AM
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Sounds like a hybrid between plans for a new forum with email incorporating crypto fee-based spam-proofing,

Can you give me a link?

and plans to build ad revenue into devtome. Do you mean as an offshoot of that new forum or standalone commercialisation?

Well, I can do it only if it is very simple and I can control each aspect. (So that I can choose simplest solution to each problem.)

Which means standalone, unless I'll see some super-easy way to implement such forum. Perhaps making it email-centric or something.

Implementing a forum with all modern features can be really tedious, and integrating with existing software can be a real headache.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg2312630#msg2312630  (followed byt discussion around different forums)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=34586.msg2372114#msg2372114 (coinzen)

Cheers for the info.

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June 19, 2013, 03:43:48 PM
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I forgot to add before, another useful addition to the faucet would be to pay people for links to devtome from an outside site. The faucet would check to see if there is a link to devtome, and if there is send devcoins to the devcoin address on that page. Then a random time later it would check to see if the link is still there, and if so send more devcoins. This would only be for the developer of the prime faucet, and if it is not developed after two months the bounty would be opened to anyone. I suggest 6 shares for the first part, and another 6 for waiting a random time, for a total of twelve shares, are there any objections?


I was trying to implement this, it's not so that difficult, but with a problem, I have no easy way to stop people from spamming the faucet with different subdomains, e.g. one hold example.com would use aa.example.com and bb.example.com pointing to the same site to apply the faucet payment, I have no good way to determine if they are the same site, and one may generate infinite subdomains as long as he own the domain name. I used to thought if I could set a limit as high as 5 subdomains for one domain, but hey, we have many public site such as blogspot.com, you cannot do this... any suggestion to solve this problem?

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June 19, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
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You can't, as even if you had them put files containing codes, they can still make massive numbers of subdomains essentially free and have their webserver show you the different code file you assigned for each to prove thay are different sites, because basically they really are different sites it is merely trivially easy to create thousands of them.

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You can't, as even if you had them put files containing codes, they can still make massive numbers of subdomains essentially free and have their webserver show you the different code file you assigned for each to prove thay are different sites, because basically they really are different sites it is merely trivially easy to create thousands of them.

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This. And what you're talking about is called a "wildcard" domain, where you put up a * and then you can write scripts to react based on what subdomain was input.

The only real way to make this work would be to manually review sites that are given, but even so it still causes problems as people can create new forum accounts and such.

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I was trying to implement this, it's not so that difficult, but with a problem, I have no easy way to stop people from spamming the faucet with different subdomains, e.g. one hold example.com would use aa.example.com and bb.example.com pointing to the same site to apply the faucet payment, I have no good way to determine if they are the same site, and one may generate infinite subdomains as long as he own the domain name. I used to thought if I could set a limit as high as 5 subdomains for one domain, but hey, we have many public site such as blogspot.com, you cannot do this... any suggestion to solve this problem?

Would limiting this to only domain homepages listed on Alexa avoid the problem? In other words:

http://randomwebsite.com/ would be accepted because it has a page rank (860,587) on alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/randomwebsite.com#

http://googleblog.blogspot.com would be accepted because it has a page rank (20,830) on alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/googleblog.blogspot.com#

http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2013/06/google-scholarships-recognize-84.html would not be accepted because it's a subpage:

http://aa.blogspot.com would not be accepted because it does not have a page rank (No Data) on alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/aa.blogspot.com#

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Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

You may probably refer to http://d.evco.in/charity/ for some infos, specifically http://d.evco.in/charity/receiver_summary.txt. these file updated daily at UTC 00:30.


Thanks!

The receiver file for round 25 is helpful.  Is there a similar page which shows each writer's to date word count?

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Hey Unthinkingbit,

Would it be too much trouble to post the unofficial earnings for the next round about once or twice a week so we can get an idea of where things are heading?

You may probably refer to http://d.evco.in/charity/ for some infos, specifically http://d.evco.in/charity/receiver_summary.txt. these file updated daily at UTC 00:30.


Thanks!

The receiver file for round 25 is helpful.  Is there a similar page which shows each writer's to date word count?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=210446.msg2524087#msg2524087

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June 19, 2013, 10:52:06 PM
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So I clicked on the account 25 link and it says there are 0 Devtome earnings.  I added some content yesterday. How soon will the account 25 page update, or how long is the lag between time content is added and time word count from that content shows up as Devtome shares?

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So I clicked on the account 25 link and it says there are 0 Devtome earnings.  I added some content yesterday. How soon will the account 25 page update, or how long is the lag between time content is added and time word count from that content shows up as Devtome shares?

It should be updated once the script has been run again. I am sure that http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_25.csv is the link for the devtome earnings.

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I was trying to implement this, it's not so that difficult, but with a problem, I have no easy way to stop people from spamming the faucet with different subdomains, e.g. one hold example.com would use aa.example.com and bb.example.com pointing to the same site to apply the faucet payment, I have no good way to determine if they are the same site, and one may generate infinite subdomains as long as he own the domain name. I used to thought if I could set a limit as high as 5 subdomains for one domain, but hey, we have many public site such as blogspot.com, you cannot do this... any suggestion to solve this problem?

Would limiting this to only domain homepages listed on Alexa avoid the problem? In other words:

http://randomwebsite.com/ would be accepted because it has a page rank (860,587) on alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/randomwebsite.com#

http://googleblog.blogspot.com would be accepted because it has a page rank (20,830) on alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/googleblog.blogspot.com#

http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2013/06/google-scholarships-recognize-84.html would not be accepted because it's a subpage:

http://aa.blogspot.com would not be accepted because it does not have a page rank (No Data) on alexa:
http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/aa.blogspot.com#


No. No. NO!

Sorry, lol. Alexa means absolutely nothing and is ridiculously easy to manipulate. It has no real-world benefit, other than for the lulz.

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June 20, 2013, 01:23:30 AM
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So I clicked on the account 25 link and it says there are 0 Devtome earnings.  I added some content yesterday. How soon will the account 25 page update, or how long is the lag between time content is added and time word count from that content shows up as Devtome shares?

It should be updated once the script has been run again. I am sure that http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_25.csv is the link for the devtome earnings.

And when/how frequently does that happen? 

Lots of noob questions I know...

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So I clicked on the account 25 link and it says there are 0 Devtome earnings.  I added some content yesterday. How soon will the account 25 page update, or how long is the lag between time content is added and time word count from that content shows up as Devtome shares?

It should be updated once the script has been run again. I am sure that http://d.evco.in/charity/devtome_25.csv is the link for the devtome earnings.

And when/how frequently does that happen? 

Lots of noob questions I know...

If you mean the script, it's updated daily at 00:30@UTC.

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