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August 06, 2013, 04:25:51 PM
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Thank you. I only had listed on single payment from them at IPO. ACSM will be updated to include the information that you've pointed out.

Your edit on my Devtome entry only changed the P2PDVC price and the 30-day cumulative figure. And after going back, I discovered that we were both wrong: The total payout per share for P2PDVC for the last 30 days is 0.40102932 DVC, as of today.

Start to think whatever you want, but your tone is not helpful. I could care less personally, but you make it try to look like I'm plugging it when I'm simply excited about something that NO ONE is even mentioning. Information I would have found useful a few months ago!

Sheesh...People complaining about the prices plummeting, yet there are more options out there.

And to twobits, that's where you can help, you know. Instead of crying about it, fix it. And I don't care about the differences between bonds and stocks. I care about the return. That was the whole point. I want the DVC doing something. I'm not pumping it either. Look at the chart for P2PDVC, it hasn't even budged in the last week. I started buying in about five days ago or so. I've been the only one buying it. If you're going to throw your twobits in, at least get it right.

***UPDATE***

Since it just dawned on me that the article is not helpful to anyone, I've removed the offending content.

And again, FuzzyBear, I do thank you for the information you provided. I had missed the ASCM simply because I must have been focusing on the P2PDVC figures. The numbers you just included are exactly what I see now too. ASCM has definitely outperformed P2P. By a lot!

I was trying to stay away from too many tables on the post. I have the info on some Excel sheets and had pulled it by using the "Data from Web" option. My cells were linked over to the main sheet. Originally, I had posted the Google Docs sheet to show the work. I think it's still accessible. The link is way up this thread by now.

Hey ok look sorry if the tone of the conversation here has killed this, I really did not mean for you to completely remove your post, I just want to make sure the data is correct and people can see your calculations and working out.

I honestly did feel that you were trying to promote the P2PDVC listing unnecessarily and there have been a few concerns that I had about that listing from the start... (where is it getting its funding for the dvc dividends from, what is its business plan etc? seems to strike me as a kind of pyramid scheme really and with the dvc price crashing as much as it has... investing in this stock has not been a good ROI really and you can not sell your stock back as there is a lack of buy orders in the listing.  So you can see why I would question someone who repeatedly posts that it is the best investment.. DVB has been round for donkeys now and is nice stable investment as well... PYRAPROXYDVC has randomly paid out one dividend in the last month when its listing is nearly a year old now.. so not good signs for the best investment.

I feel your article has value and is good to show people that yes there are more things to do with your DVC than just dump it on vircurex and drop the price even more, and I'm sorry there was not an article out there for you to read a month ago, hence you creating one.  I think people will find it useful so long as it shows correct data and people are fully aware that this is just a snapshot in time... by laying out all your working like twobit says you enable others to do the calculations for themselves and allows them to do some current stats on the listings.  I think it would be very interesting to see your calculations worked out for June, May, April 2013 for the previous months and see what the predictions are for august / september.,.... there is scope to start to look at how the dividends paid out over the month reflect to the current price of DVC as well.  P2PDVC is a flat dividend 0.01DVC per share per day usually so never varies on the value of DVC, whereas ASCMDVCPT completely depends on the BTC to DVC value.  This combined with the value of ASICMiner shares seems to drive the value of the ASCMDVCPT listing, and I would be very interested to see data on these....

So sorry again you felt the need to remove the page, if the maths is correct and the workings shown then your page is of great value to devtome and the devcoin community.  Sorry I came across harsh, I understand mistakes are made etc.

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August 06, 2013, 05:49:30 PM
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twobits, that isn't what happened. It's wasn't a "small percentage" like you said. Orders of magnitude?

I had this:                           DVB 303.63449304; ASCMDVCPT   28.89961953; P2PDVC 3688.16252485; PYRPXYDVC 6.56905504
FuzzyBear changed it to this: DVB     0.03054563; ASCMDVCPT 140.52923720; P2PDVC      0.40100000; PYRPXYDVC 6.56905504


Yes it was.   I saw the numbers, I can calculate percentages.   For the listing where you had the majority of the assets listed as the
dividend payment  per one share it was a small percentage difference per share.   You are forgetting the units change you then did.   When you did that for just one of the assets it made things off by orders of magnitude.    Why would you do that change (which was a good change by itself) to only one of the assets?   


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And now FuzzyBear has shown me where the problem was. Very nicely, I might add. The error that FuzzyBear, I think, was just pointing out is that my ASCM calculation only took in their very last distribution. Yes, he said it was "so far out it was unreal," true, but both of our ASCM data was incorrect. He then posted an update: The ASCM take home is around 16K DVC based on my hypothetical number of shares. Substantially higher than either of us had originally figured. I missed it twice. Not three times, but like FuzzyBear said, twice.

Pretty sure FuzzyBear never updated your ASCM data.  So not sure how you can then say his ASCM data was incorrect.  There were at least  few errors in the table.    One is being inconsistent in the time span of the dividends for the different assets, the other was listing the total dividends as some per share and some times the number of shares you would have bought at the given price.   This inconstancy  makes it hard to know which way to change things to have fixed it.  It also tried to extrapolate from the single dividend payment on another issue, which just was not enough data to make any meaningful extrapolations from.

You are forgetting the first time you posted in a message format on the board.  That is the first time,   the second was your first posting in wiki format, the third your edit to the edit.  That is three...    that I saw, could be more, but is not less then three.

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Statements you make like "consistently" in error or "off by order of magnitude" and "highly questionable" are only antagonistic. They just invite someone to defend themselves and spark thread-rage.

They are also true.   I watched the three times you posted the chart.   You consistently made the same order of a magnitude error.   I gave you the benefit of the doubt, till you posted how you could not get around to fixing it for some days. Then after someone else fixed it for you, you all of the sudden found the time to break it again in the same consistent manner. If pointing out the facts is antagonistic so be it.  Your response to the correction was to change it back to be broken in the same way,  by such an order of a magnitude that eyeballing it should have shown that it was off.    You don't think that looks highly questionable to an observer?



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August 06, 2013, 06:03:32 PM
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Collation.

I just read http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_writer_rules_read_me_first and found it interesting.

However, I wonder if there is a change in terminology required here. Collation means ordering or sorting. The way I see it described in the Devtome entry doesn't really mesh with sorting. The Devtome entry seems to be defining the use of "citations," which is entirely different from creating order out of other works. Citations are perfectly normal and happen quite frequently, especially in more academic writing where if you are not citing other authorities, then you aren't engaging existing scholarship. A citation is just not the same as collation and certainly is not a category of materials by itself.


I think you are right.   Collation does not seem the right wording.  Perhaps derivative works and collections?

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August 06, 2013, 06:06:55 PM
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twobits, I think you are just grouchy. Just looking for a fight. Look elsewhere.

The ASCM data from FuzzyBear is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=233997.msg2877789#msg2877789

No again you are wrong.     

That is the chart , with your original numbers for all but for the p2pdvc

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_stock_purchases&do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1375739780&rev2%5B1%5D=1375740414&difftype=sidebyside


The edit that moves the ASCM data in the wrong direction is yours as part of

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_stock_purchases&do=diff&rev2%5B0%5D=1375740414&rev2%5B1%5D=1375747583&difftype=sidebyside

see how you changed it from 140 to 28.

It is not Fuzzy's data that is wrong here, as he never had any data here, that is all from you.

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August 06, 2013, 06:13:42 PM
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Dead horse, please meet twobits. He has a stick. twobits, this is a dead horse. You two have fun.

Resorting to Ad hominem, as a last resort,  rather then just admit that the errors are from you and not Fuzzy.
Guess it makes sense, as you already used  responding to tone.



It was not dead, as you had just claimed some of the errors were not yours and instead Fuzzy's.    Now people can see the edits for themselves.
   

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August 06, 2013, 06:24:28 PM
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twobits, I apologize to you for being wrong. I apologize to FuzzyBear for my errors too.

twobits, I could care less if people see the edits.

twobits, I don't know if I would consider that an ad hominem attack. I merely introduced you to a dead horse. An ad hominem would be something like "twobits is such a dick. You can't trust a thing he says because he is a jerk." See? That's going after "the man" instead of the argument.

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I'm still thinking of the nature of that accusation of an ad hominem attack. It's curious. I essentially said that twobits was beating a dead horse. To me, that is accusing him of arguing about a point that is no longer under contention. I had dismissed the argument. I tried to avoid saying that the essence of the argument was fallacious because of some inherent disposition of twobits to rationally carry on a conversation. I was saying the argument was going on without my participation. At least that was my intention.

Responding to tone. Yes, I responded to the antagonism of twobits' first post to me, but I also cited the "why" of that reasoning. An argument from tone is a weak form of argument, at least how I understand it, if not also accompanied by an explicit reason why the tone was offensive. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that someone's style is inflammatory.

The link I gave twobits to FuzzyBear's ASCM data was where it was pointed out to me that ASCM had more than one dividend payment. So when I said that FB was also wrong, it was an error of omission. Neither of us identified that amount in our attempts to find the correct data.

I responded to the charge that I neglected to include the ASCM data. Doing so was my error.

I also responded to the charge that I did not supply proof of my work. I posted the link to the Google Docs spreadsheet which included my numbers.

I'm sure twobits will respond, which is his right. But really, I'm only interested in carrying on the conversation with FuzzyBear and then probably only by PM. I felt like twobits jumped in, not with the intention of being helpful, but to stir up some sort of debate that I never fully wanted to engage in but for some reason felt obliged. That's a perception of mine, right or wrong. I also felt guilty about eating up thread room in a discussion where a good part of twobits posts didn't make a lot of sense. I guess that is a communication problem with text only discussions, but nevertheless, it was often hard to decipher.
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August 06, 2013, 06:36:31 PM
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twobits, I apologize to you for being wrong. I apologize to FuzzyBear for my errors too.

twobits, I could care less if people see the edits.

twobits, I don't know if I would consider that an ad hominem attack. I merely introduced you to a dead horse. An ad hominem would be something like "twobits is such a dick. You can't trust a thing he says because he is a jerk." See? That's going after "the man" instead of the argument.

I was not saying you would care, I was saying people can see it for themselves, and draw their own conclusions, and not need to trust or believe either of us.

An ad hominen attack addresses the characteristics or authority of the writer without addressing the substance of the argument.    Saying I am 'beating a dead horse' fits.


If you would like I can try and find some time to write something to grab the data from the api.   I do think the article idea is a good one,  I just think it is important to have the numbers in the right ballpark.

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What you drew is a logo, if you wish you can convert it to a button and get one fifth of a share. Marticps won the logo vote last month, so the logo awards were ended.


How about this?  Smiley

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I've decided to extend my DVC Second Anniversary giveaway as indicated in the following quote:

This special has been extended.  It is now good until Midnight Eastern Standard Time August 8.

Also, for some reason (most likely ISP filtering) it seems to take a while for the confirmation message to reach you.  If you haven't gotten it after 12 hours (and it's not in your email spam folder), feel free to try subscribing again.

If you haven't confirmed by Midnight EST August 8, I will send half the DVCs in the next day, and the other half once you confirm your subscription and you are fully opted in.

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I am also looking to buy a newegg gift card in devcoins, is anyone interested?

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I overwrote a secondary devcoin wallet (not the one that receives) and am fairly certain that it can't be recovered on my end. If I know my addresses for that wallet, is there any method to recover that from the blockchain? I'm at peace with my error overwriting the backups of that wallet (with a million dvc) but just thought I'd ask.  Thanks.    Undecided

I think I'll start burning copies to disc once in awhile so I can't overwrite that dated copy.
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I really like this one!

My experiment:



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If you would like I can try and find some time to write something to grab the data from the api.   I do think the article idea is a good one,  I just think it is important to have the numbers in the right ballpark.


That would be a great help to the DVC community, I think. Are there are places where we can invest in DVC?
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I'm plugging a few articles. User vehementchrome has just put up some very well written stories. I'm enjoying the reading and wanted to recommend them.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=book_one_-_the_riven_pages

And no, that is not my alias. I receive nothing for advocating his pages. Just thought it would be enjoyable for others.
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Questions:

1. Can anyone tell me at what point traffic to an article is measured? I want to promote it, but want to wait until I'm pretty sure the peak is during the time when it counts.

2. Does the traffic count for all articles or just the newest submissions?
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Questions:

1. Can anyone tell me at what point traffic to an article is measured? I want to promote it, but want to wait until I'm pretty sure the peak is during the time when it counts.

2. Does the traffic count for all articles or just the newest submissions?


#1) I don't think he's going to release that information. If he did, everyone would throw traffic at the site at the same time and it would defeat the purpose of having the new system.

#2) Should be all articles.

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Makes sense. Thank you.
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I'm plugging a few articles. User vehementchrome has just put up some very well written stories. I'm enjoying the reading and wanted to recommend them.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=book_one_-_the_riven_pages

And no, that is not my alias. I receive nothing for advocating his pages. Just thought it would be enjoyable for others.
Off topic question but I'm wondering:
What happened to finshaggy?

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I'm plugging a few articles. User vehementchrome has just put up some very well written stories. I'm enjoying the reading and wanted to recommend them.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=book_one_-_the_riven_pages

And no, that is not my alias. I receive nothing for advocating his pages. Just thought it would be enjoyable for others.
Off topic question but I'm wondering:
What happened to finshaggy?

He took five whole marijuanas at once and died!

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I'm plugging a few articles. User vehementchrome has just put up some very well written stories. I'm enjoying the reading and wanted to recommend them.

http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=book_one_-_the_riven_pages

And no, that is not my alias. I receive nothing for advocating his pages. Just thought it would be enjoyable for others.
Off topic question but I'm wondering:
What happened to finshaggy?

He took five whole marijuanas at once and died!

Are you serious?  I enjoy reading his threads.

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