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July 26, 2013, 12:41:51 AM
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but based on my understanding, a pump is when people remove their buy orders and buy down a lot of the sell ones. For ex:

Buy orders are at: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Sell orders are at: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15

For the pump, those buying at 5-10 take their orders down and buy out all the 11, 12, 13, 14, leaving up 15. Then they re-list at 15, 16, 17, 18. This theoretically boosts the value because now the lowest sell price is much higher than it was before.

And the wall would be where they put in a massive buy order at 15 so no one can sell at a lower price for a while.

It would have to be a coordinated effort among all the people who want to buy.  And all those people have to be willing to buy at a higher price than they might otherwise be able to get.  So they would have to have a very good reason to drive the price up, enough that they'd be willing to buy some at the inflated price.  Maybe they do this in order to then dump at the higher price?  Would that be a pump and dump?  What other reasons might people have to be involved in a pump?

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but based on my understanding, a pump is when people remove their buy orders and buy down a lot of the sell ones. For ex:

Buy orders are at: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10
Sell orders are at: 11, 12, 13, 14, 15

For the pump, those buying at 5-10 take their orders down and buy out all the 11, 12, 13, 14, leaving up 15. Then they re-list at 15, 16, 17, 18. This theoretically boosts the value because now the lowest sell price is much higher than it was before.

And the wall would be where they put in a massive buy order at 15 so no one can sell at a lower price for a while.

It would have to be a coordinated effort among all the people who want to buy.  And all those people have to be willing to buy at a higher price than they might otherwise be able to get.  So they would have to have a very good reason to drive the price up, enough that they'd be willing to buy some at the inflated price.  Maybe they do this in order to then dump at the higher price?  Would that be a pump and dump?  What other reasons might people have to be involved in a pump?

The general theory behind it is that when you pump, there is a slight permanence attached. For example, you may boost a coin from being worth (arbitrary numbers here for show) 1 up to being worth 10. While it is likely going to drop down again, it may only drop down to 2 this time, meaning that not only is the rest of your fortune worth more, but the future fortune you're still building is worth more as well. In some pumps, the change has been more drastic, such as going from 1 to 10 and settling back down at 5-6. In these cases, the small loss is easily made up for it in the massive gains there will be even over a short period.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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July 26, 2013, 05:13:03 AM
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You need to understand what moves price. That buy wall created some interest but it quickt fell when ppl realized there was no pump. As days went buy small sells broke into it. Like i said before when price sits on support for a while it will fall like a knife or be a long term bottom. As dvc the true value was lower because noone was willing to buy above market
not at market.

I said it before and wiser contradicted me but there is a science involved in creating interest in rising prices. You have to buy a bit above market a bit below as limits and a bit at market as you support a rise. Walls are only good from a distant price at it invokes fear greed.

That thing I never said keeps coming back up LOL.  The quote you are referring to where I contradicted you was wrongly attributed to me.  I actually would like to understand better how walls and pumps work.  You refer to a wall without a pump.  I get what a wall is--a very large order or group of orders to buy or sell at a particular price.  What is a pump?  Is that when someone keeps adding orders to the wall to keep it up?  Like for example, if I put an order to buy 20 million DVC at 65 sat, and then 1 million of them get sold, I then place another order to buy 1 million DVC at 65 sat so as to keep the wall right at 20 million?  Do I understand this correctly?  Or is a pump something else altogether?  If so, then what is it?

Would you be willing to write an article about the science involved in creating interest in rising prices and then send me the link?  I want to learn how that works.  Thanks Smiley

Hehe sorry funny if someone was to read our posts they would laugh at the misunderstanding then..
Ok so its all to do with phsycology I believe. Think about what happens in the trading pits when they were around.. Someone comes in with confidence and buys ok noone notices except a few but then as price comes back to test more orders to buy pop up from this mysterious buyer.. ok so now people want in thinking he or she knows something.. so now people buy above market the mystery shopper buys a bit above to exasberate the rise and imagine someone who had been waiing for low prices now believes the bottom may be in they buy into the rally aswell. When i say starting a pump thats what i mean. Its percieval of future pricing is what drives equilibrium.

So what happena when price fades back down? the smart mystery buyer decides he got a good avg price and wants to avg in some more with half of his intended buying. He sets up another wal above and buys above market each time a sell comes. What does this do? It will bring in hesitant money which thought this pump and dump is unlike any other and its the real deal. This is where the real demand will come from and a sustained pump will allow for dvc to start looking good to those developers looking at potentially some of the biggsr bounties as market cap rises. Its a chicken and egg argument and dvc is very intriguing in this manor as the higher it goes the more successful it will be. I expect that to look like an exponential curve with no pause as people will be greedy at higher and higher potential targets to sell. Kinda what happened with btc as the
hope there was that it was going to dethrone usdx and thats kind of priceless when compared to usdx.

When someone puts up a buy or sell wall they have to follow thru or let others follow thru for them.. Seems like we are still in a large bear market on this currency until i start seeing those things. I suspect it wl be quick and probably because of maybe a new project or breakthrough. At that time you wont be able to buy enough dvc as it will rise quickly without pause.

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July 26, 2013, 08:16:03 AM
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info@bitstamp.net  I wrote Bitstamp to add DVC as well, as I did and continue to do for btc-e, mtgox. Do the same! lets make some breathing space for our currency!!!

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July 26, 2013, 11:08:29 AM
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Devcoin will be two years old on August 11th (it started on August 11th 2011). This makes it the third oldest cryptocurrency (only Bitcoin and Namecoin are older).

I think we should do something to mark the occasion because not many coins survive this long! Any suggestions?

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July 26, 2013, 05:49:33 PM
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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Holy crap... I did NOT expect that big of a jump that fast. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm very glad I didn't do a fear-dump like a lot of people did.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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July 26, 2013, 06:17:09 PM
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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Where do you see someone SOLD 50 million(you're probably referring to the wrong chart btc/dvc, most ppl look at dvc/btc)? 35 million were bought Smiley secondary buy wall set up ready to go to war...

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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Holy crap... I did NOT expect that big of a jump that fast. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm very glad I didn't do a fear-dump like a lot of people did.

This is to be expected with such risk reward situations as these... they don't come very often.

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July 26, 2013, 06:30:00 PM
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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Holy crap... I did NOT expect that big of a jump that fast. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm very glad I didn't do a fear-dump like a lot of people did.

This is to be expected with such risk reward situations as these... they don't come very often.

Well, I do somewhat regret not buying out yesterday... I was thinking at 45sat or so it was going to be a great deal... but then figured it may go down a bit more first. Sad


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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July 26, 2013, 06:42:15 PM
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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Holy crap... I did NOT expect that big of a jump that fast. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm very glad I didn't do a fear-dump like a lot of people did.

This is to be expected with such risk reward situations as these... they don't come very often.

Well, I do somewhat regret not buying out yesterday... I was thinking at 45sat or so it was going to be a great deal... but then figured it may go down a bit more first. Sad

Yup well 33 was the low of the last pump so I didn't expect it to go below 33 if the chart was to show a true long term bull.

Also remember what I said before about how to create rising prices, that regret you feel I'm sure everyone who waited feels that regret and now is willing to buy above market most likely. This is what will create a true rising market, I'm not sure if it will retrace but if it does I'm in for some more.

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July 26, 2013, 10:38:55 PM
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The round 25 receiver files have been uploaded to:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/receiver_25.csv
http://devcoinpool.btc-music.com/receiver/receiver_25.csv
http://devcoinblockexplorer.info/receiver/receiver_25.csv
http://devtome.com/files/receiver_25.csv
http://devcoin.darkgamex.ch/receiver_25.csv

The account file is at:
http://galaxies.mygamesonline.org/account_25.csv

There were 669 original receiver lines, so the average number of devcoins per share is 180,000,000 dvc / 669 = 269,058 dvc. Administrator pay is 54.0 shares, 8.1 percent of the total. The value at vircurex is 0.855 mcbtc/dvc, which works out to 0.23 btc. At the mtgox price of 96$, that works out to 22$.

People on that list will start getting those coins in round 25, starting at block 100,000. The procedure for generating the receiver files is at:
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin#generating_the_files

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https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/bounty_26.csv

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July 26, 2013, 10:51:22 PM
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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Holy crap... I did NOT expect that big of a jump that fast. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm very glad I didn't do a fear-dump like a lot of people did.

This is to be expected with such risk reward situations as these... they don't come very often.

Well, I do somewhat regret not buying out yesterday... I was thinking at 45sat or so it was going to be a great deal... but then figured it may go down a bit more first. Sad

85 sat per coin?  Almost 250% up, wow!

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July 27, 2013, 03:14:49 AM
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Whoever orchestrated today's massive pump, thanks for the demonstration.  Now I think I understand what it is.  I only wish I'd been able to watch it more closely as it was happening (I was away from the Internet until after the fact).  I'm certainly happy with the results, though.

I didn't panic dump either.  I had a low price in mind below which I wasn't going to sell.  I picked up more DVC stocks while waiting out the low.  If I weren't so keen on ASICMINER shares I suppose I could pick up a new hobby of selling DVCs high and then buying more of them when the price drops.  One of these days, maybe :-)

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Uhauuu!
Today someone has sold 50 million DVC on Vircurex. And I can see on the list 14, 44 and 35 million ready to be sold. Despite the dumping, the price is gone from 2 to 1.1 million DVC for 1 BTC. Not bad. Well, still bad, but not so bad.

Holy crap... I did NOT expect that big of a jump that fast. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm very glad I didn't do a fear-dump like a lot of people did.


What, it got to 2 million at one point?  That's crazy.  I bought some at 600,000 thinking I got a steal after buying at $.00041.

Man, where's the cash when you need it, at 2 million per BTC I would have bought like crazy if I had the money.

When is BFL gonna mail my ASICS.  That would help so much.  They keep pushing my ship date back every month.  I would have bought all the devcoins possible with any bitcoins 1 TH can mine.  And that would have been a lot.

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July 27, 2013, 06:46:29 AM
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Whoever orchestrated today's massive pump, thanks for the demonstration.  Now I think I understand what it is.  I only wish I'd been able to watch it more closely as it was happening (I was away from the Internet until after the fact).  I'm certainly happy with the results, though.

I didn't panic dump either.  I had a low price in mind below which I wasn't going to sell.  I picked up more DVC stocks while waiting out the low.  If I weren't so keen on ASICMINER shares I suppose I could pick up a new hobby of selling DVCs high and then buying more of them when the price drops.  One of these days, maybe :-)



So how is it up 250% when someone dumped 50 million?  Unless it was orchestrated - someone wanted to buy a lot and a seller was spoken to and the huge buy may have brought in attention and other buyers.  Cause normally a dump that huge causes a bigger drop c. With stocks selling begets seeking as fear kicks in and buying begets more buying as greed kicks in.

So this then wasn't so much a 50 million devcoin dump as much as a huge pre-planned block purchase which would then explain the huge jump in value.  

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Whoever orchestrated today's massive pump, thanks for the demonstration.  Now I think I understand what it is.  I only wish I'd been able to watch it more closely as it was happening (I was away from the Internet until after the fact).  I'm certainly happy with the results, though.

I didn't panic dump either.  I had a low price in mind below which I wasn't going to sell.  I picked up more DVC stocks while waiting out the low.  If I weren't so keen on ASICMINER shares I suppose I could pick up a new hobby of selling DVCs high and then buying more of them when the price drops.  One of these days, maybe :-)



So how is it up 250% when someone dumped 50 million?  Unless it was orchestrated - someone wanted to buy a lot and a seller was spoken to and the huge buy may have brought in attention and other buyers.  Cause normally a dump that huge causes a bigger drop c. With stocks selling begets seeking as fear kicks in and buying begets more buying as greed kicks in.

So this then wasn't so much a 50 million devcoin dump as much as a huge pre-planned block purchase which would then explain the huge jump in value.  

In order for rising prices you must buy above market. There was no selling except
at 85 and the second phase kicked in there. Now you know what im talking about that its backed up by strength.. Theres still over 150 mlion waiting to be bought for those who challenge the
pump here.0

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July 27, 2013, 07:20:08 AM
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Anybody know of seeking alpha ever published my article.  I made a strong point in there about devcoin although I had to keep the article focused on stocks otherwise they'll never publish it.  I expected some activity once the article went out as it goes out to about 30,000 active stock investors and many never heard of crypto coins and many are speculators just like me (perfect target market for devcoin) which is why I came in this crypto world.

Cause something had to trigger the desire to buy 50 million coins.  That's a lot considering the price keeps going down.

I'll have to check my seeking alpha account to see.

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Whoever orchestrated today's massive pump, thanks for the demonstration.  Now I think I understand what it is.  I only wish I'd been able to watch it more closely as it was happening (I was away from the Internet until after the fact).  I'm certainly happy with the results, though.

I didn't panic dump either.  I had a low price in mind below which I wasn't going to sell.  I picked up more DVC stocks while waiting out the low.  If I weren't so keen on ASICMINER shares I suppose I could pick up a new hobby of selling DVCs high and then buying more of them when the price drops.  One of these days, maybe :-)



So how is it up 250% when someone dumped 50 million?  Unless it was orchestrated - someone wanted to buy a lot and a seller was spoken to and the huge buy may have brought in attention and other buyers.  Cause normally a dump that huge causes a bigger drop c. With stocks selling begets seeking as fear kicks in and buying begets more buying as greed kicks in.

So this then wasn't so much a 50 million devcoin dump as much as a huge pre-planned block purchase which would then explain the huge jump in value.  

In order for rising prices you must buy above market. There was no selling except
at 85 and the second phase kicked in there. Now you know what im talking about that its backed up by strength.. Theres still over 150 mlion waiting to be bought for those who challenge the
pump here.0

I'm glad to hear it. I bought at much higher prices although I'm looking at this long term snd once the BITCOIN ETF takes in a few months you're gonna see bankers come in and take this crypto market to a whole new level.

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Whoever orchestrated today's massive pump, thanks for the demonstration.  Now I think I understand what it is.  I only wish I'd been able to watch it more closely as it was happening (I was away from the Internet until after the fact).  I'm certainly happy with the results, though.

I didn't panic dump either.  I had a low price in mind below which I wasn't going to sell.  I picked up more DVC stocks while waiting out the low.  If I weren't so keen on ASICMINER shares I suppose I could pick up a new hobby of selling DVCs high and then buying more of them when the price drops.  One of these days, maybe :-)



So how is it up 250% when someone dumped 50 million?  Unless it was orchestrated - someone wanted to buy a lot and a seller was spoken to and the huge buy may have brought in attention and other buyers.  Cause normally a dump that huge causes a bigger drop c. With stocks selling begets seeking as fear kicks in and buying begets more buying as greed kicks in.

So this then wasn't so much a 50 million devcoin dump as much as a huge pre-planned block purchase which would then explain the huge jump in value.  

In order for rising prices you must buy above market. There was no selling except
at 85 and the second phase kicked in there. Now you know what im talking about that its backed up by strength.. Theres still over 150 mlion waiting to be bought for those who challenge the
pump here.0

I'm glad to hear it. I bought at much higher prices although I'm looking at this long term snd once the BITCOIN ETF takes in a few months you're gonna see bankers come in and take this crypto market to a whole new level.

Ya me too just be in buy only mode hold for long long term buy every increment down.

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Off topic but I can publish your devotee article on the kindle
http://devtome.com/doku.php?id=devtome_kindle_publishing_service

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