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August 02, 2013, 03:41:43 AM
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So what are we doing to mark Devcoin's two year anniversary on August 5th?

I vote we all flock to the bitcoin subreddit on the day and tip random people 10 cents worth (about 1667 devcoins at the moment) - there is an altcoin tipbot that is devcoin enabled - see http://www.reddit.com/r/ALTcointip/comments/1esl7u/altcointip_bot_now_live/

has anyone got any other ideas?

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August 02, 2013, 11:00:48 PM
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This is off topic but I'm a new devtome writer and I was just wondering if somebody could look over some of my articles and see if they are "devtome-worthy".  I looked at some of the syntax pages and followed normal wikipedia syntax but I'm just trying to make sure!  Smiley
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This is off topic but I'm a new devtome writer and I was just wondering if somebody could look over some of my articles and see if they are "devtome-worthy".  I looked at some of the syntax pages and followed normal wikipedia syntax but I'm just trying to make sure!  Smiley
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This is off topic but I'm a new devtome writer and I was just wondering if somebody could look over some of my articles and see if they are "devtome-worthy".  I looked at some of the syntax pages and followed normal wikipedia syntax but I'm just trying to make sure!  Smiley
My userpage: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:smeagol
Thank you for the help!

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thanks ranlo, you 'da bomb!!  Wink

I looked at the bounty page here http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=devcoin_bounty_now and it says that there is a bounty for a logo/symbol and a button (3/5 and 1/5 of a share respectively).
How does this look? (it's a PNG, I tried to make it a vector but gradients don't work too well.)


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smeagol, if you ever need help on formatting, just PM me. I looked at two of the articles and they look great. I think ranlo hooked you up then.



His formatting was already spot-on. I just went through and verified with him that everything was on the up-and-up, Smiley. FWIW, he has great topics as well!

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August 03, 2013, 03:32:45 AM
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This would make a great Devtome article  Smiley

Thinking on investing my DVC vs. selling, I thought I would provide a little view of what one could expect for returns by buying shares at cryptostocks.com.

The four available DVC stocks are listed below. The "DVC" column below is an arbitrary number. DPS is dividends per share. ROI based on the last dividend distribution. DFreq is how often dividends are sent to shareholders.

Exchange               Ticker            DVC            Price          Shares               DPS                   ROI                    DFreq         Last Traded

Crypto::Stocks      P2PDVC        1000000   100.6        9940.357853      0.1000000       994.0357853    1-3x daily    8/2/13 2:44 AM
Crypto::Stocks      DVB             1000000   200           5000.000000      0.0090654        45.327000      7 days        7/31/2013 12:25
Crypto::Stocks      ASCMDVCPT  1000000   10,000.00    100.000000    28.8996195     2889.961953      7 days        8/1/2013 21:52
Crypto::Stocks      PYRPXYDVC   1000000   900           1111.111111     6.56905504    7298.950044      IPO (1)       7/13/2013 6:51

Reading the first entry would be like this: Cryptostocks ticker P2PDVC with 1 million DVC @ 100.6 DVC each, will give you 9940.357853 shares with an expected return of 0.1 DVC per share for a total of 994 DVC, distributed multiple times a day.

I know this is just a single shot at one moment, but if anyone is interested, I can provide averages based on the stocks distro history. I thought about charting it, but that might be a multi-day project.

*You might have to increase the size of your screen to make the table show correctly. I've tried to adjust the spacing to line up correctly. I do have this as an XML if anyone wants it.
*I have no contact with cryptostocks.com (no conflict of interest), so I have nothing to gain other than maybe promoting the one exchange which deals in DVC which might increase the value of my holdings.

The public document is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvoPQEtk-YKudHV5djhDdmtaRXp5QkFVa01YTWJ3SlE&usp=sharing (I didn't want to shorten it and risk losing anything). Feel free to enter your own number of DVC shares to check possible returns based on this data. Everything else is locked. Hopefully.

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August 03, 2013, 04:08:00 AM
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So what are we doing to mark Devcoin's two year anniversary on August 5th?

I am so glad you mentioned this!

I've been working on a website about Bitcoins and Devcoins (for now, could expand into other currencies later).  It's called Creative Currencies and the url is http://creativecurrencies.cu.cc  I just set up my email list and was thinking of some ways to promote it and entice people to subscribe.  I think I might just hold some sort of DVC giveaway, choose one or two lucky subscribers, in honor of the anniversary.

That will depend on if I get it together in time...

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So what are we doing to mark Devcoin's two year anniversary on August 5th?

Does anyone know how to create a coin flip site?  I want to make a devcoin flip site where if you lose, the profits are donated to charity, and if you win, you win!  I'm thinking about a 1% charity edge. Smiley

Here's what I have for the provably fair part.
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Ok I am starting to get rather pissed off here and usually I don't get angry easily but more and more devtome seems to be paying out all the dvc to writers and the more i look the more there is not original content on there but it is being claimed as.

Here is a clear cut example...

User makalu has posted on his userpage : http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:makalu
Original articles on a number of pages.

The one I was particularly interested in was of course the listing about ASCMDVCPT of which I help do the admin work for and have direct involement in... yet I see that the article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=ascmdvcpt is just a copy paste of the listing I helped write that is on cryptostocks https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

hey it only small articles i know but nothing has been added in terms of better content, and the work is NOT original

Either the admins have missed this or they are not doing their job properly... or the users are unaware of the difference between original content and collated content and NOT ALLOWED copy paste content. Or a combination of it all...

Admins responsible for checking content please respond to this post before Unthinkingbit does as that will just show to me that you are not doing the job required of you.  I have PM'd the 3 admins so they know about this post.

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Thinking on investing my DVC vs. selling, I thought I would provide a little view of what one could expect for returns by buying shares at cryptostocks.com.

The four available DVC stocks are listed below. The "DVC" column below is an arbitrary number. DPS is dividends per share. ROI based on the last dividend distribution. DFreq is how often dividends are sent to shareholders.

Exchange               Ticker            DVC            Price          Shares               DPS                   ROI                    DFreq         Last Traded

Crypto::Stocks      P2PDVC        1000000   100.6        9940.357853      0.1000000       994.0357853    1-3x daily    8/2/13 2:44 AM
Crypto::Stocks      DVB             1000000   200           5000.000000      0.0090654        45.327000      7 days        7/31/2013 12:25
Crypto::Stocks      ASCMDVCPT  1000000   10,000.00    100.000000    28.8996195     2889.961953      7 days        8/1/2013 21:52
Crypto::Stocks      PYRPXYDVC   1000000   900           1111.111111     6.56905504    7298.950044      IPO (1)       7/13/2013 6:51

Reading the first entry would be like this: Cryptostocks ticker P2PDVC with 1 million DVC @ 100.6 DVC each, will give you 9940.357853 shares with an expected return of 0.1 DVC per share for a total of 994 DVC, distributed multiple times a day.

I know this is just a single shot at one moment, but if anyone is interested, I can provide averages based on the stocks distro history. I thought about charting it, but that might be a multi-day project.

*You might have to increase the size of your screen to make the table show correctly. I've tried to adjust the spacing to line up correctly. I do have this as an XML if anyone wants it.
*I have no contact with cryptostocks.com (no conflict of interest), so I have nothing to gain other than maybe promoting the one exchange which deals in DVC which might increase the value of my holdings.

The public document is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvoPQEtk-YKudHV5djhDdmtaRXp5QkFVa01YTWJ3SlE&usp=sharing (I didn't want to shorten it and risk losing anything). Feel free to enter your own number of DVC shares to check possible returns based on this data. Everything else is locked. Hopefully.

Thanks for the file.
DVB is running since August 18, 2012
Douring the period till today, there was 45'670'084.80 DVC in dividends.
To have a objective report for all DVC projects and be able to compare real results, an api interconnected document is needed https://cryptostocks.com/api.
Would be great to have that chart on devtome Smiley

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Ok I am starting to get rather pissed off here and usually I don't get angry easily but more and more devtome seems to be paying out all the dvc to writers and the more i look the more there is not original content on there but it is being claimed as.

Here is a clear cut example...

User makalu has posted on his userpage : http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:makalu
Original articles on a number of pages.

The one I was particularly interested in was of course the listing about ASCMDVCPT of which I help do the admin work for and have direct involement in... yet I see that the article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=ascmdvcpt is just a copy paste of the listing I helped write that is on cryptostocks https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

hey it only small articles i know but nothing has been added in terms of better content, and the work is NOT original

Either the admins have missed this or they are not doing their job properly... or the users are unaware of the difference between original content and collated content and NOT ALLOWED copy paste content. Or a combination of it all...

Admins responsible for checking content please respond to this post before Unthinkingbit does as that will just show to me that you are not doing the job required of you.  I have PM'd the 3 admins so they know about this post.

FuzzyBear

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Ok I am starting to get rather pissed off here and usually I don't get angry easily but more and more devtome seems to be paying out all the dvc to writers and the more i look the more there is not original content on there but it is being claimed as.

Here is a clear cut example...

User makalu has posted on his userpage : http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:makalu
Original articles on a number of pages.

The one I was particularly interested in was of course the listing about ASCMDVCPT of which I help do the admin work for and have direct involement in... yet I see that the article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=ascmdvcpt is just a copy paste of the listing I helped write that is on cryptostocks https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

hey it only small articles i know but nothing has been added in terms of better content, and the work is NOT original

Either the admins have missed this or they are not doing their job properly... or the users are unaware of the difference between original content and collated content and NOT ALLOWED copy paste content. Or a combination of it all...

Admins responsible for checking content please respond to this post before Unthinkingbit does as that will just show to me that you are not doing the job required of you.  I have PM'd the 3 admins so they know about this post.

FuzzyBear

If I combined all of his small ebook articles into a larger one and edited it, would that qualify as Collated?
By the way, I've been making small (< 1000 words) articles, is that OK?

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Ok I am starting to get rather pissed off here and usually I don't get angry easily but more and more devtome seems to be paying out all the dvc to writers and the more i look the more there is not original content on there but it is being claimed as.

Here is a clear cut example...

User makalu has posted on his userpage : http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:makalu
Original articles on a number of pages.

The one I was particularly interested in was of course the listing about ASCMDVCPT of which I help do the admin work for and have direct involement in... yet I see that the article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=ascmdvcpt is just a copy paste of the listing I helped write that is on cryptostocks https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

hey it only small articles i know but nothing has been added in terms of better content, and the work is NOT original

Either the admins have missed this or they are not doing their job properly... or the users are unaware of the difference between original content and collated content and NOT ALLOWED copy paste content. Or a combination of it all...

Admins responsible for checking content please respond to this post before Unthinkingbit does as that will just show to me that you are not doing the job required of you.  I have PM'd the 3 admins so they know about this post.

FuzzyBear

If I combined all of his small ebook articles into a larger one and edited it, would that qualify as Collated?
By the way, I've been making small (< 1000 words) articles, is that OK?

Thank you!

Small articles are not an issue, so long as they are not stolen material and are not gibberish. The problem with the one linked above is that it is not his material to be taking credit for, yet he is trying to earn money off it.

Edit: just noticed the first question as well. No, you can't take their material, edit it and claim it as collated. Collated is for when you write an article based on another one, with quotes and such (SPORADICALLY). Basically it's the same rule as plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, it's wrong.

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Small articles are not an issue, so long as they are not stolen material and are not gibberish. The problem with the one linked above is that it is not his material to be taking credit for, yet he is trying to earn money off it.

Edit: just noticed the first question as well. No, you can't take their material, edit it and claim it as collated. Collated is for when you write an article based on another one, with quotes and such (SPORADICALLY). Basically it's the same rule as plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, it's wrong.

Ok, thank you for the clarification.  Now onto more writing!  Smiley

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Small articles are not an issue, so long as they are not stolen material and are not gibberish. The problem with the one linked above is that it is not his material to be taking credit for, yet he is trying to earn money off it.

Edit: just noticed the first question as well. No, you can't take their material, edit it and claim it as collated. Collated is for when you write an article based on another one, with quotes and such (SPORADICALLY). Basically it's the same rule as plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, it's wrong.

Ok, thank you for the clarification.  Now onto more writing!  Smiley

Not a problem. As a heads-up, if you have any future questions you can send me a PM anytime. The same goes to anyone else who reads this (most already know, as I get a lot of PM's as it is, lol).

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August 03, 2013, 10:44:34 PM
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I suppose you *could* call it collated. But if it already exists verbatim and digitally anyway, what's the point? In my opinion, the same rules for copyright should apply. If the changes to an existing document are substantial enough to be worth a reprint, then it's not plagiarism, but there needs to be a demonstration of actual work in the text.

Example, the entry at http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=be_inspirated is an exact quote in full (not partial matches or a citation or quote) of a Google Book http://goo.gl/YFnW3u.

Source is not "original," the source is an exact duplicate of an existing source.

Is that plagarism or did the user write that? O.o

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Ok I am starting to get rather pissed off here and usually I don't get angry easily but more and more devtome seems to be paying out all the dvc to writers and the more i look the more there is not original content on there but it is being claimed as.

Here is a clear cut example...

User makalu has posted on his userpage : http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=wiki:user:makalu
Original articles on a number of pages.

The one I was particularly interested in was of course the listing about ASCMDVCPT of which I help do the admin work for and have direct involement in... yet I see that the article http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=ascmdvcpt is just a copy paste of the listing I helped write that is on cryptostocks https://cryptostocks.com/securities/39

hey it only small articles i know but nothing has been added in terms of better content, and the work is NOT original

Either the admins have missed this or they are not doing their job properly... or the users are unaware of the difference between original content and collated content and NOT ALLOWED copy paste content. Or a combination of it all...

Admins responsible for checking content please respond to this post before Unthinkingbit does as that will just show to me that you are not doing the job required of you.  I have PM'd the 3 admins so they know about this post.

FuzzyBear

If I combined all of his small ebook articles into a larger one and edited it, would that qualify as Collated?
By the way, I've been making small (< 1000 words) articles, is that OK?

Thank you!

Small articles are not an issue, so long as they are not stolen material and are not gibberish. The problem with the one linked above is that it is not his material to be taking credit for, yet he is trying to earn money off it.

Edit: just noticed the first question as well. No, you can't take their material, edit it and claim it as collated. Collated is for when you write an article based on another one, with quotes and such (SPORADICALLY). Basically it's the same rule as plagiarism. If it's plagiarism, it's wrong.

Thank you Ranlo,

Clarification here that it is the users who seem unclear about what clarifies as Original Content and what can be submitted as writing, as well as there will always be people who will try and cheat the system, but good to let them know that users and admins are checking peoples work regularly.  Thank you and I know you do a very good job as an admin so sorry I was a bit angry in my opening post on this issue.

FuzzyBear

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Thank you Ranlo,

Clarification here that it is the users who seem unclear about what clarifies as Original Content and what can be submitted as writing, as well as there will always be people who will try and cheat the system, but good to let them know that users and admins are checking peoples work regularly.  Thank you and I know you do a very good job as an admin so sorry I was a bit angry in my opening post on this issue.

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Not a problem; I completely understand! I think what I may end up doing is writing out an in-depth rule listing that gives examples of what is and is not allowed. We can use it as a "read this first" and maybe even add some quiz questions or something to make sure people have read it before they make any article postings. This would be a great way to clarify things people seem to not quite grasp the concept of, as well as show us that people who break the rules did so 100% willingly.

I'll need a little while to come up with a good format and figure out exactly how I want to handle it, but I think it will be a valuable asset.

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August 04, 2013, 12:42:26 AM
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I suppose you *could* call it collated. But if it already exists verbatim and digitally anyway, what's the point? In my opinion, the same rules for copyright should apply. If the changes to an existing document are substantial enough to be worth a reprint, then it's not plagiarism, but there needs to be a demonstration of actual work in the text.

Example, the entry at http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=be_inspirated is an exact quote in full (not partial matches or a citation or quote) of a Google Book http://goo.gl/YFnW3u.

Source is not "original," the source is an exact duplicate of an existing source.

Is that plagarism or did the user write that? O.o

It can be two different issues.

One is plagiarism, with intent (and arguably even without conscious thought) to distribute another work as your own.

The other is original material, but included in Devtome without the proper citation to existing versions. I was guilty of the latter when I published my own work that existed elsewhere, but I was not clear when I cited the source. I had just left it as "Source: Original" but I changed that to "laos_file - Source: Book Review, Laos File by Dale Dye, WordPress" and now the problem is removed.

I was guilty of violating the first in a way also...I wrote a book about ten years ago. At the time, some of the materials I used were incredibly difficult to find even for researchers in the field of study. I located copies eventually, transcribed them and then included them as appendices in my book. Well, it's the internet, right? So, within days of posting that book to Devtome, an eagled-eye Tomer must have scanned it. The problem with that is that I was accused of a 100% copy of someone else's work. Well it wasn't. It was about 30 pages of a 300 page book, or so. Material from an article that just couldn't easily be located. And, I did provide citations of those sources within the document so that there would be no confusion of me claiming other's work as my own. My reasoning was accepted by the Devtome community. I offered to remove all the appendices if anyone had even one issue with it remaining. Someone did. So they are gone.

That's the background on how I'm looking at the issue. Sometimes it just has to go case by case, but sometimes it can be pretty clear: If you wrote it elsewhere, just include that information. If it's collated, then say so. But if it already exists *and* it's by someone else? Well then I think that crosses the line.

Thank for the explanation.  This "Source: Original" and "Collated" stuff is confusing!

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We now have page view information from google analytics, so the devtome.py script has been modified and popular writers will get paid more per word than unpopular writers. From:
http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=earn_devcoins_by_writing#earnings_per_word

"The earnings are calculated according to the popularity of the writer's articles according to google analytics. The number of unique page views are divided by the number of words, then the root of that is taken and the roots of all the writers are normalized. That earnings multipler is multiplied by a goal seeked revenue neutralizing multiplier, then bounded from 0.75 to 1.25, and multiplied by the words to obtain the number of generation shares. To summarize, an unpopular writer will get 0.75 generation shares per thousand words, an average writer will get around a share per thousand words, and a popular writer will get 1.25 shares per thousand words."

The earnings multiplier is from the fourth root of the page views divided by the number of words and it is bounded to a narrow range this round because the payment rule has just been changed. In the next round, round 27, the earnings multiplier will be from the square root of the views over the words, and the multiplier will bounded to the wider range of 0.500001 to 1.499999. I'm using 0.500001 as a lower limit so that even unpopular writers who only write a share will at least get something after the multiplication and rounding. The unique page views will be taken from the four days just before the earnings calculation. The earnings multiplier is only calculated for the writers who have earned at least a share.

The most popular topics were cryptocurrencies:
https://github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/blob/master/devtome_analytics_26.csv

After running the script, I found that some writers actually didn't get any page views at all, and got the minimum 0.75 multiplier:
https://raw.github.com/Unthinkingbit/charity/master/devtome_26.csv

The above devtome_26 file is just there so people can see popularity and earnings multipliers, it will be calculated officially in about a week. Some of the new writers don't have any page views yet, but will when the script is run next week. For people who write books or screenplays, to boost their page views I recommend making a page for each chapter or scene.

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