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January 11, 2016, 02:53:18 PM
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a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors could get paid in cryptocoins

good enough of a directive, so "for-profit" is the key?

still need a rough list of content (for guidance)
and why not key projects listed (maybe already done just unaware)

Yeah, I would say the site needs to be self-sustaining. Basically, earning enough advertising revenue so it can pay the contributors and other workers.

The "post whatever you want" approach of devtome sounded good in theory, but to be profitable a website probably needs to focus on stuff that visitors actually want to read. 

Off hand, maybe erotica or fan fiction?  Maybe original short fiction (4000-8000 words) by specific genre or niche blogging?  Honestly, a lot of ideas would work but it has to be legit content and not just posting up text for the sake of a word count.
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January 11, 2016, 03:23:29 PM
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a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors could get paid in cryptocoins

good enough of a directive, so "for-profit" is the key?

still need a rough list of content (for guidance)
and why not key projects listed (maybe already done just unaware)

Yeah, I would say the site needs to be self-sustaining. Basically, earning enough advertising revenue so it can pay the contributors and other workers.

The "post whatever you want" approach of devtome sounded good in theory, but to be profitable a website probably needs to focus on stuff that visitors actually want to read. 

Off hand, maybe erotica or fan fiction?  Maybe original short fiction (4000-8000 words) by specific genre or niche blogging?  Honestly, a lot of ideas would work but it has to be legit content and not just posting up text for the sake of a word count.

You're not going to solve the problem of writers "just posting up text for the sake of a word count" by just picking a more specific theme for the Devtome. Here's how we dealt with this issue in the past. The Devtome has (or did have) quality control admins who evaluate content for quality. We had a writer rating system and that score would impact the writer share count. I was one of the raters. We looked for things like basic correct spelling/grammar, understandable writing, basic formatting (such as was there a title?). If a piece of writing was especially bad, I would send a link to one of the quality control admins and see what they wanted to do. A lot of bad content got removed from the Devtome during that time. My point is that particular issue was addressed in the past and worked well as long as the admins did their jobs and the Devtome had basic functionality. The raters were paid a certain number of shares (I think it was up to five) per round, but those shares only got paid out if we completed our rating page (and it had to include a certain number of comments beyond our score). At some point I quit receiving rating pages to complete and I assumed it was because I went a few months without posting any new writer content, but when I finally asked about it it turned out that the rating of writers program had just gotten dropped.

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January 12, 2016, 08:35:19 AM
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a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors could get paid in cryptocoins

good enough of a directive, so "for-profit" is the key?

still need a rough list of content (for guidance)
and why not key projects listed (maybe already done just unaware)

Yeah, I would say the site needs to be self-sustaining. Basically, earning enough advertising revenue so it can pay the contributors and other workers.

The "post whatever you want" approach of devtome sounded good in theory, but to be profitable a website probably needs to focus on stuff that visitors actually want to read. 

Off hand, maybe erotica or fan fiction?  Maybe original short fiction (4000-8000 words) by specific genre or niche blogging?  Honestly, a lot of ideas would work but it has to be legit content and not just posting up text for the sake of a word count.

You're not going to solve the problem of writers "just posting up text for the sake of a word count" by just picking a more specific theme for the Devtome. Here's how we dealt with this issue in the past. The Devtome has (or did have) quality control admins who evaluate content for quality. We had a writer rating system and that score would impact the writer share count. I was one of the raters. We looked for things like basic correct spelling/grammar, understandable writing, basic formatting (such as was there a title?). If a piece of writing was especially bad, I would send a link to one of the quality control admins and see what they wanted to do. A lot of bad content got removed from the Devtome during that time. My point is that particular issue was addressed in the past and worked well as long as the admins did their jobs and the Devtome had basic functionality. The raters were paid a certain number of shares (I think it was up to five) per round, but those shares only got paid out if we completed our rating page (and it had to include a certain number of comments beyond our score). At some point I quit receiving rating pages to complete and I assumed it was because I went a few months without posting any new writer content, but when I finally asked about it it turned out that the rating of writers program had just gotten dropped.

+, this was a great asset. I disagreed with some of the ratings given out by others, but because it was normalized/averaged between all ratings, it was a fair system.


 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 




















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January 12, 2016, 01:31:51 PM
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a for-profit community website where anonymous contributors could get paid in cryptocoins

good enough of a directive, so "for-profit" is the key?

still need a rough list of content (for guidance)
and why not key projects listed (maybe already done just unaware)

Yeah, I would say the site needs to be self-sustaining. Basically, earning enough advertising revenue so it can pay the contributors and other workers.

The "post whatever you want" approach of devtome sounded good in theory, but to be profitable a website probably needs to focus on stuff that visitors actually want to read. 

Off hand, maybe erotica or fan fiction?  Maybe original short fiction (4000-8000 words) by specific genre or niche blogging?  Honestly, a lot of ideas would work but it has to be legit content and not just posting up text for the sake of a word count.

You're not going to solve the problem of writers "just posting up text for the sake of a word count" by just picking a more specific theme for the Devtome. Here's how we dealt with this issue in the past. The Devtome has (or did have) quality control admins who evaluate content for quality. We had a writer rating system and that score would impact the writer share count. I was one of the raters. We looked for things like basic correct spelling/grammar, understandable writing, basic formatting (such as was there a title?). If a piece of writing was especially bad, I would send a link to one of the quality control admins and see what they wanted to do. A lot of bad content got removed from the Devtome during that time. My point is that particular issue was addressed in the past and worked well as long as the admins did their jobs and the Devtome had basic functionality. The raters were paid a certain number of shares (I think it was up to five) per round, but those shares only got paid out if we completed our rating page (and it had to include a certain number of comments beyond our score). At some point I quit receiving rating pages to complete and I assumed it was because I went a few months without posting any new writer content, but when I finally asked about it it turned out that the rating of writers program had just gotten dropped.

+, this was a great asset. I disagreed with some of the ratings given out by others, but because it was normalized/averaged between all ratings, it was a fair system.

I was also a rater and I know we eliminated quite a bit of plagiarism and poor quality writing through the process.
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January 13, 2016, 06:21:45 PM
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I mentioned moderator positions in my Jan 8th post because oversight would be essential.  But I don't think you can create profitable content just through quality control measures.  You have to start with appealing subject matter, then go from there.

I apologize if my comments disparaged anyone's past efforts because that was not my intention.  My comments were about what might be done differently if the concept was to be rebooted under new management in light of how everyone is currently locked out.

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January 13, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
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I mentioned moderator positions in my Jan 8th post because oversight would be essential.  But I don't think you can create profitable content just through quality control measures.  You have to start with appealing subject matter, then go from there.

I apologize if my comments disparaged anyone's past efforts because that was not my intention.  My comments were about what might be done differently if the concept was to be rebooted under new management in light of how everyone is currently locked out.

The system we had was a good one, and came about as the result of much discussion and lots of ideas kicked around. Part of the original philosophy of the Devtome was to allow (and reward) people to create whatever content they wanted to, provided it met some minimum standard of quality. There were admins there who actively checked for plagiarism and plain bad writing. The rating system was just one measure.

The problem now is that the system is not currently being maintained, not that there were problems with the system when it was in good working order. And even if there are ways to improve on the system, the first priority is to get it back into good working order as is.

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January 13, 2016, 09:22:22 PM
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Again, we are locked out of devtome and Devcoin's pay sheet for several months.  I understand the technical fixes are straight forward, but without access...welp, it is a shame!

My post from last week was speaking in a "what now?" mindset, under the assumption that everyone would agree that the project was 100% dead. 

Sorry, I did not mean to disrupt the discussion and will now fall away.
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January 13, 2016, 09:34:29 PM
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Again, we are locked out of devtome and Devcoin's pay sheet for several months.  I understand the technical fixes are straight forward, but without access...welp, it is a shame!

My post from last week was speaking in a "what now?" mindset, under the assumption that everyone would agree that the project was 100% dead.  

Sorry, I did not mean to disrupt the discussion and will now fall away.

If you're interested in helping out with the Devtome rescue project, please refer to this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1317408.0

That would need to happen first, before ideas for making fundamental changes to the system get kicked around.

The project isn't 100% dead yet, more like in a deep sleep and needing to be woken up, or to quote/paraphrase from The Princess Bride, "It's not dead, just *mostly* dead! There's a big difference between all the way dead and mostly dead." Smiley

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I can't help with any rescue efforts because I do not have access to Devtome or the Devcoin pay sheet.

I was trying to ask if anyone knew of projects similar to Devtome, or gauge potential interest of starting a new project along those lines. 

Again, I apologize for interrupting this thread.
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January 14, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
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I've been working with the devtome admin (jasinlee) since around xmas on getting devtome going again. The hosting was upgraded a couple of months previously as we were getting much more traffic so looks like some settings - e.g. mod security - messed things up.

Basically involves me trying edits and passing on errors with screenshots and timestamps, them changing some rules every time. Time differences are making it a slow process with one or two changes a day.

Now at the stage of involvement from hosting in trying to replicate issues as nothing technically wrong with site itself (edits by me under 'Recent Changes' includes hosts working on it with my login). There's been some improvement as can now add a limited number of characters rather than none. Hopefully they'll be able to narrow down the exact problem soon.

I've been reluctant to update because until resolved it isn't, but appreciate everyone's frustrated - so for information.

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January 15, 2016, 03:50:17 AM
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I've been working with the devtome admin (jasinlee) since around xmas on getting devtome going again. The hosting was upgraded a couple of months previously as we were getting much more traffic so looks like some settings - e.g. mod security - messed things up.

Basically involves me trying edits and passing on errors with screenshots and timestamps, them changing some rules every time. Time differences are making it a slow process with one or two changes a day.

Now at the stage of involvement from hosting in trying to replicate issues as nothing technically wrong with site itself (edits by me under 'Recent Changes' includes hosts working on it with my login). There's been some improvement as can now add a limited number of characters rather than none. Hopefully they'll be able to narrow down the exact problem soon.

I've been reluctant to update because until resolved it isn't, but appreciate everyone's frustrated - so for information.

This sounds like great news! Please do post updates, even if it doesn't seem like there is much to say, even if it's only "we continue to work on the issues." Updates of little or no progress are still better than no updates at all (Cryptsy, anyone?).

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January 15, 2016, 09:07:26 AM
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This sounds like great news! Please do post updates, even if it doesn't seem like there is much to say, even if it's only "we continue to work on the issues." Updates of little or no progress are still better than no updates at all (Cryptsy, anyone?).
Ok. To reiterate earlier posts on cryptsy - don't use it for any coins: http://blog.cryptsy.com

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January 15, 2016, 10:56:34 AM
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Sounds like someone switched to a new (upgraded) hosting account without first ensuring they had copies of all the relevant configurations for all the webserver modules wiki modules and so on?

Seems maybe it could be harder to try to start from scratch than to just fix the thing?

Who the heck lost all the possibly quite intricate and detailed module config options and such from the working site, though?

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January 15, 2016, 08:09:52 PM
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This sounds like great news! Please do post updates, even if it doesn't seem like there is much to say, even if it's only "we continue to work on the issues." Updates of little or no progress are still better than no updates at all (Cryptsy, anyone?).
Ok. To reiterate earlier posts on cryptsy - don't use it for any coins: http://blog.cryptsy.com

Cryptsy is toast now, it seems. Their website is offline. What I meant by my comment was that one of the ways they completely shot themselves in the foot was poor communication, particularly lack of meaningful updates. I'm really glad you're working on the Devtome issues, and let me encourage you to please post regular updates, even if not much progress has been made since the last update. Regular communication is a wonderful thing Smiley

Also, with Cryptsy going down, it seems we are in need of a new trading platform. I really hate to pin everything on Vircurex. Poloniex has a new coin request form. Should we get a campaign going to have them list DVC? I'd also love to see it on BitTrex, although 'Trex is notorious for delisting coins quickly if they don't like the volume.

https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest

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January 16, 2016, 12:53:20 AM
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DVC added to our exchange

https://safecex.com/market?q=DVC/BTC



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DVC added to our exchange

https://safecex.com/market?q=DVC/BTC

Sweet! Thank you Smiley

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January 16, 2016, 02:24:27 AM
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I've been working with the devtome admin (jasinlee) since around xmas on getting devtome going again. The hosting was upgraded a couple of months previously as we were getting much more traffic so looks like some settings - e.g. mod security - messed things up.

Basically involves me trying edits and passing on errors with screenshots and timestamps, them changing some rules every time. Time differences are making it a slow process with one or two changes a day.

Now at the stage of involvement from hosting in trying to replicate issues as nothing technically wrong with site itself (edits by me under 'Recent Changes' includes hosts working on it with my login). There's been some improvement as can now add a limited number of characters rather than none. Hopefully they'll be able to narrow down the exact problem soon.

I've been reluctant to update because until resolved it isn't, but appreciate everyone's frustrated - so for information.

Thank you for the update weisoq!  Smiley

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January 16, 2016, 11:50:08 PM
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Cryptsy is toast now, it seems. Their website is offline. What I meant by my comment was that one of the ways they completely shot themselves in the foot was poor communication, particularly lack of meaningful updates. I'm really glad you're working on the Devtome issues, and let me encourage you to please post regular updates, even if not much progress has been made since the last update. Regular communication is a wonderful thing Smiley

Also, with Cryptsy going down, it seems we are in need of a new trading platform. I really hate to pin everything on Vircurex. Poloniex has a new coin request form. Should we get a campaign going to have them list DVC? I'd also love to see it on BitTrex, although 'Trex is notorious for delisting coins quickly if they don't like the volume.

https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest

New Cryptsy announcement, which explains their problems: http://blog.cryptsy.com/

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January 17, 2016, 04:55:46 PM
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DVC added to our exchange

https://safecex.com/market?q=DVC/BTC

@yammp, great news! Can you add your exchange info to: http://www.devtome.com/doku.php?id=where_to_spend_your_devcoins right now only Vircurex is listed there.

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January 18, 2016, 08:52:49 PM
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News about Devtome!

70 shares from devtome sent to date in devcoin round 55, according to: http://dvccountdown.blisteringdevelopers.com/

What happened? Is people really writing again? are those shares coming from previous rounds? is there somebody cheating?

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