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February 28, 2018, 12:12:01 AM |
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It happens quite often, that a doctor made a wrong diagnosis, because he didn't see the very rare tropical disease f.e.. Computer can make suggestions, so that the doctor don't overlook such rare diseases. But also because of the very strong psychologic component of the most diseases (psychosomatic) a doctor, which will listen to you, will always have the basic place as a human in this business.
That's a really interesting point you bring up there. Many afflictions aren't physical but mental. In the white paper they only talk about mental health in a legal way. It's harder to diagnose because the data from the patient can be affected by their mental state. It is definitely possible for a machine learning algo to match sets of symptoms with a diagnosis. The problem is at the patient level, the patient often cannot describe their symptoms accurately (especially in mental issues). In terms of information, garbage-in equals garbage-out. Garbage information (noise) can be filtered by sophisticated algorithms and deep learning Not at the beginning, but yes it could, one way or another AI will help A LOT the app, and the diagnose made in general, and because the AI learn constantly with every patient that uses it, it will learn very FAST. We are slowly moving towards a world where AI will have much more to say then we can ever imagine.. AI doesn't sleep and doesn't make human errors. While we are looking for the holy grail of accurate diagnosis in medical field, we must be mindful that human element is important for fast and accurate decision making like the doctors do. AI and machine learning can only add to the human touch of a doctor but if you substitute it, it is bound to fail because machines, despite our ardent belief in it, do make mistakes due to hardware failure or software bug...and that's why you still see doctors around the world using their manual pump Blood Pressure monitor instead of the dully digital one. I look forward to EHealth taking up in this endeavour.
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February 28, 2018, 01:48:14 AM |
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The concept of EHF is very good, but I think it’s a long term project. The potential is huge but the project will need time to develop more the concept and make some partnerships I think.
You think it's a long term project? well.. that should have been clear from the start, looking at the roadmap ) many people are expecting a project to deliver the goods in a year or so. this one will take a long time cause it's such a complex endevour. Most crypto projects are still in beta or not even that. Even whitepapers can reach a billion dollar market cap. eHealth is honest about the long roadmap. That could pay off in the end. That's why this market is fucked up! Just look at Tron wasn't Tron a classic pump and dump? I feel bad for the people who bought that stuff. still EHF is putting their cards on the table and saying , this is gonna take a while. you gotta respect that. Tron is still in the top of crypto. for no reason. EHF on the other hand is a proper project and doesn't make empty promises, but honestly says it takes time to deliver a decent project - which it does!
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February 28, 2018, 02:57:03 AM |
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The concept of EHF is very good, but I think it’s a long term project. The potential is huge but the project will need time to develop more the concept and make some partnerships I think.
You think it's a long term project? well.. that should have been clear from the start, looking at the roadmap ) many people are expecting a project to deliver the goods in a year or so. this one will take a long time cause it's such a complex endevour. Most crypto projects are still in beta or not even that. Even whitepapers can reach a billion dollar market cap. eHealth is honest about the long roadmap. That could pay off in the end. That's why this market is fucked up! Just look at Tron wasn't Tron a classic pump and dump? I feel bad for the people who bought that stuff. still EHF is putting their cards on the table and saying , this is gonna take a while. you gotta respect that. Tron is still in the top of crypto. for no reason. EHF on the other hand is a proper project and doesn't make empty promises, but honestly says it takes time to deliver a decent project - which it does! That is why people may start investing here next year because is too long to keep money here paralyze without moving, so this is for the patient, even, due to its long-term goal, it may just go below ICO price.
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saintkamei
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February 28, 2018, 03:06:25 AM Last edit: February 28, 2018, 04:31:04 AM by saintkamei |
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The concept of EHF is very good, but I think it’s a long term project. The potential is huge but the project will need time to develop more the concept and make some partnerships I think.
You think it's a long term project? well.. that should have been clear from the start, looking at the roadmap ) many people are expecting a project to deliver the goods in a year or so. this one will take a long time cause it's such a complex endevour. Most crypto projects are still in beta or not even that. Even whitepapers can reach a billion dollar market cap. eHealth is honest about the long roadmap. That could pay off in the end. That's why this market is fucked up! Just look at Tron wasn't Tron a classic pump and dump? I feel bad for the people who bought that stuff. still EHF is putting their cards on the table and saying , this is gonna take a while. you gotta respect that. Tron is still in the top of crypto. for no reason. EHF on the other hand is a proper project and doesn't make empty promises, but honestly says it takes time to deliver a decent project - which it does! That is why people may start investing here next year because is too long to keep money here paralyze without moving, so this is for the patient, even, due to its long-term goal, it may just go below ICO price. I see where you are coming from but you might not be that accurate about the investment being stuck. At the end of the ICO around Aug, you will be getting the tokens. Even if they are traded below ICO price you would've made enough profit with the bonus tokens which can be traded at etherdelta or forkdelta. And when it get listed in December at exchanges, as per the roadmap, it should be up and running. The only thing that looks long term is the project fulfillment which even coins like verge are still working on even though the nature of the project is different.
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February 28, 2018, 03:15:06 AM |
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It happens quite often, that a doctor made a wrong diagnosis, because he didn't see the very rare tropical disease f.e.. Computer can make suggestions, so that the doctor don't overlook such rare diseases. But also because of the very strong psychologic component of the most diseases (psychosomatic) a doctor, which will listen to you, will always have the basic place as a human in this business.
That's a really interesting point you bring up there. Many afflictions aren't physical but mental. In the white paper they only talk about mental health in a legal way. It's harder to diagnose because the data from the patient can be affected by their mental state. It is definitely possible for a machine learning algo to match sets of symptoms with a diagnosis. The problem is at the patient level, the patient often cannot describe their symptoms accurately (especially in mental issues). In terms of information, garbage-in equals garbage-out. Garbage information (noise) can be filtered by sophisticated algorithms and deep learning Not at the beginning, but yes it could, one way or another AI will help A LOT the app, and the diagnose made in general, and because the AI learn constantly with every patient that uses it, it will learn very FAST. We are slowly moving towards a world where AI will have much more to say then we can ever imagine.. AI doesn't sleep and doesn't make human errors. But there are something that AI can't do especially to diagnose psicology aspect. This will need human's touch. But, yes, AI will help a lot in another aspects.
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February 28, 2018, 03:23:30 AM |
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Hi! EHF Director of Public Health and Longevity Programs Daria Khaltourina: About EHF's value Watch the video: https://youtu.be/A0s5a01hpN0
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February 28, 2018, 03:41:32 AM |
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https://s10.postimg.org/6m3lvrvft/EHF_7.jpgHi everyone! A day left until the end of February. Last chance to buy tokens at the maximal discount!Thanks for your Support of eHealth First at current and previous investment stages! We are sure about high quality, effectiveness and profitability of the Project for our investors. If you going to invest 120 ETH or more, please write at nkryuchkov@ehfirst.io or Telegram account @nkryuchkov1, and we'll discuss all the details.
EHF token holders could: - Use them as payment options and additionally receive 10-50% discount for buying any Services developed under the EHF Project (Personal Health, Biomed) and by the Project Partners (applications, software modules / services, healthcare services, insurance plans, participation in clinical trials, observational studies and patient support programs etc.).
- Use them to participate in special health campaign, programs and check-ups, to get access to special healthcare expert community.
- Use them to participate in the EHF Project development by voting (in proportion to the number of tokens).
- Get an investment income in case of EHF token price growth (crypto-exchange operations, direct purchase-sale).
- Exchange them for other cryptocurrencies (BTC, BCC, ETH etc.) on various cryptocurrency exchanges and for fiat currency (USD, EUR, JPU, CNY etc.), in countries, where such operations are legal.
- Sell or buy them directly via compatible crypto wallets.
See all the details about EHF tokens in the Section 2: Governance of the White Paper. Now you can buy EHF tokens investing 2+ ETH or 0.2+ BTC 2 ETH or 0.2 BTCMoreover, we have a special gift for you: +5% to the Discounts noted on the website.There will be no such special offer in March or later. Be in time! When you invest, say, 2 ETH in February, you are buying tokens with 55% (50+5%) discount instead of 50% regular one. To use the maximal discount: A. Fill in one of three forms on the website, OR Send the letter at investor@ehfirst.io, pointing: - the promo code "FEB5"; - the investment size (in ETH or BTC - 2 ETH or more / 0.2 BTC or more); - your Ethereum Address OR Bitcoin Address to pay and Ethereum account address to get EHF tokens; - your comments / questions. B. Get the confirmation letter from our side, including information about EHF Ethereum / Bitcoin address, and number of tokens reserved. C. Make the transaction. In a day after that check your email for the confirmation of transaction and number of tokens reserved. Have time to Invest with the BIG Discount and Support the future of health care!P.S. Please see all the news, publications and ratings in EHF latest Newsletter: http://news.ehfirst.io/26feb2018
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February 28, 2018, 06:03:40 AM |
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Hi everyone! A day left until the end of February. Last chance to buy tokens at the maximal discount!Thanks for your Support of eHealth First at current and previous investment stages! We are sure about high quality, effectiveness and profitability of the Project for our investors. If you going to invest 120 ETH or more, please write at nkryuchkov@ehfirst.io or Telegram account @nkryuchkov1, and we'll discuss all the details.
EHF token holders could: - Use them as payment options and additionally receive 10-50% discount for buying any Services developed under the EHF Project (Personal Health, Biomed) and by the Project Partners (applications, software modules / services, healthcare services, insurance plans, participation in clinical trials, observational studies and patient support programs etc.).
- Use them to participate in special health campaign, programs and check-ups, to get access to special healthcare expert community.
- Use them to participate in the EHF Project development by voting (in proportion to the number of tokens).
- Get an investment income in case of EHF token price growth (crypto-exchange operations, direct purchase-sale).
- Exchange them for other cryptocurrencies (BTC, BCC, ETH etc.) on various cryptocurrency exchanges and for fiat currency (USD, EUR, JPU, CNY etc.), in countries, where such operations are legal.
- Sell or buy them directly via compatible crypto wallets.
See all the details about EHF tokens in the Section 2: Governance of the White Paper. Now you can buy EHF tokens investing 2+ ETH or 0.2+ BTC 2 ETH or 0.2 BTCMoreover, we have a special gift for you: +5% to the Discounts noted on the website.There will be no such special offer in March or later. Be in time! When you invest, say, 2 ETH in February, you are buying tokens with 55% (50+5%) discount instead of 50% regular one. To use the maximal discount: A. Fill in one of three forms on the website, OR Send the letter at investor@ehfirst.io, pointing: - the promo code "FEB5"; - the investment size (in ETH or BTC - 2 ETH or more / 0.2 BTC or more); - your Ethereum Address OR Bitcoin Address to pay and Ethereum account address to get EHF tokens; - your comments / questions. B. Get the confirmation letter from our side, including information about EHF Ethereum / Bitcoin address, and number of tokens reserved. C. Make the transaction. In a day after that check your email for the confirmation of transaction and number of tokens reserved. Have time to Invest with the BIG Discount and Support the future of health care!P.S. Please see all the news, publications and ratings in EHF latest Newsletter: http://news.ehfirst.io/26feb2018 Looking forward to know how this first phase of the sale went. Nice article in there, even if its a paid one, it explain the purpose and benefit of the project, hopefu will reach many people, who are aware of the project
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February 28, 2018, 06:28:58 AM |
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It happens quite often, that a doctor made a wrong diagnosis, because he didn't see the very rare tropical disease f.e.. Computer can make suggestions, so that the doctor don't overlook such rare diseases. But also because of the very strong psychologic component of the most diseases (psychosomatic) a doctor, which will listen to you, will always have the basic place as a human in this business.
That's a really interesting point you bring up there. Many afflictions aren't physical but mental. In the white paper they only talk about mental health in a legal way. It's harder to diagnose because the data from the patient can be affected by their mental state. It is definitely possible for a machine learning algo to match sets of symptoms with a diagnosis. The problem is at the patient level, the patient often cannot describe their symptoms accurately (especially in mental issues). In terms of information, garbage-in equals garbage-out. Garbage information (noise) can be filtered by sophisticated algorithms and deep learning Not at the beginning, but yes it could, one way or another AI will help A LOT the app, and the diagnose made in general, and because the AI learn constantly with every patient that uses it, it will learn very FAST. We are slowly moving towards a world where AI will have much more to say then we can ever imagine.. AI doesn't sleep and doesn't make human errors. But there are something that AI can't do especially to diagnose psicology aspect. This will need human's touch. But, yes, AI will help a lot in another aspects. I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
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February 28, 2018, 06:38:50 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed.
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February 28, 2018, 07:33:22 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks.
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February 28, 2018, 07:43:29 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. AI is still under research and development, it can perform specific task better than human, but it still has a long way to go to behave like fantasy sci fi movie artificial intelligent entities
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February 28, 2018, 08:05:19 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. AI is still under research and development, it can perform specific task better than human, but it still has a long way to go to behave like fantasy sci fi movie artificial intelligent entities At some point AI can do better than human, yes that's true. But the other side, AI has limitations. We can't depend on it 100%, we still need human to make everything run as planned.
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February 28, 2018, 08:05:47 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. AI is still under research and development, it can perform specific task better than human, but it still has a long way to go to behave like fantasy sci fi movie artificial intelligent entities Yep, still a way to go but remindes me on a video I saw some weeks back. Check here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFuA50H9uek It is amazing and scary at the same time
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jonnytracker
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February 28, 2018, 08:16:47 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. AI is still under research and development, it can perform specific task better than human, but it still has a long way to go to behave like fantasy sci fi movie artificial intelligent entities Yep, still a way to go but remindes me on a video I saw some weeks back. Check here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFuA50H9uek It is amazing and scary at the same time If that scares you check out deep learning, neural networks in AI. They learn to perform task until they no longer commit mistakes and becomes perfect to specific task. Task humans cannot outperform Ehealth was a promising project until they mention AI, but with a roadmap that long, it is also believable
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February 28, 2018, 08:26:49 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. AI is still under research and development, it can perform specific task better than human, but it still has a long way to go to behave like fantasy sci fi movie artificial intelligent entities Yep, still a way to go but remindes me on a video I saw some weeks back. Check here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFuA50H9uek It is amazing and scary at the same time If that scares you check out deep learning, neural networks in AI. They learn to perform task until they no longer commit mistakes and becomes perfect to specific task. Task humans cannot outperform Ehealth was a promising project until they mention AI, but with a roadmap that long, it is also believable true AI is still a ways away , so I woldn't worry about that. it's probably some kind of algorithm they will use.
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hicaribou
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February 28, 2018, 08:33:14 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. I mean the entire thing, its not about the speed or how fast it is. If you see why AI can analysing data / multitasking, its because human told AI how to do it (wrote the code).
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February 28, 2018, 08:37:35 AM |
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Robotics are trying to develop AI long time ago and they have great progress but AI intervention with medical diagnoses and treatment are a bit far, so focus on the medical repository and from that slowly move on developing.
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February 28, 2018, 08:37:48 AM |
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The concept of EHF is very good, but I think it’s a long term project. The potential is huge but the project will need time to develop more the concept and make some partnerships I think.
You think it's a long term project? well.. that should have been clear from the start, looking at the roadmap ) many people are expecting a project to deliver the goods in a year or so. this one will take a long time cause it's such a complex endevour. Most crypto projects are still in beta or not even that. Even whitepapers can reach a billion dollar market cap. eHealth is honest about the long roadmap. That could pay off in the end. That's why this market is fucked up! Just look at Tron wasn't Tron a classic pump and dump? I feel bad for the people who bought that stuff. still EHF is putting their cards on the table and saying , this is gonna take a while. you gotta respect that. Tron is still in the top of crypto. for no reason. EHF on the other hand is a proper project and doesn't make empty promises, but honestly says it takes time to deliver a decent project - which it does! There are some other projects, I left, because they were scam, but nobody cares. If people buy the coins they stay on top.
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February 28, 2018, 08:44:07 AM |
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I can not imagine that we depend exclusively on AI in the coming years, we have not evolved enough yet. I think that although it serves as a support, it still depends on people.
AI technology is created to imitate human. What AI can do, human will certainly be able to do it too, but what human can do, AI may not be able to do it. As has often been said before, a doctor is always needed. Actually, AI has the processing power of computers at their disposal, so they will naturally be able to process things which are impossible for humans. For example, analysing large volumes of data quickly, or multitasking many tasks. AI is still under research and development, it can perform specific task better than human, but it still has a long way to go to behave like fantasy sci fi movie artificial intelligent entities Yep, still a way to go but remindes me on a video I saw some weeks back. Check here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFuA50H9uek It is amazing and scary at the same time Scaring videos? Look into this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO6M2HsoIAWe always should think about the dangers of such technology and be careful, with what we allow the machines to do. That can not be emphasized enough.
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