[1050 TH] BitMinter.com [1% PPLNS,Pays TxFees +MergedMining,Stratum,GBT,vardiff]

[Minor Miner]

And expect to hear from me next time Koi hits a dry spell.  Although I expect you'll both be conspicuously absent from the forum if that happens.

I can take it and I will still be here, but hopefully it does not happen until we are 2% of the pool. 
Let me know on those stats after you crunch the numbers.   I will be interested to know (maybe you have some reason for me to "hear from you" now).    As you have said, I am a moron that cannot do simple math so help me out here.
Hopefully, everyone will become the neighborhood watchers, so I would encourage you to call out anomalies and let OOC tell you that it is not likely (although his 8X is more than anyone can really stomach from someone over 10% of a pool).   Hopefully, you do not go 15 more days to get to the point where OOC would agree "something is likely strange..."

I don't have any problem with Koi's numbers.  He appears to be doing rather well lately.  That said, if he's so confident in his ability to find blocks at a rate above statistical average over long periods of time, one might wonder why he doesn't just skip pooled mining altogether and solo mine.

Now you are truly being a fucking idiot, stop while only a few people think you the fool.   Show the quote where I said that.  What idiot would believe that?
 I have absolute confidence that over the long run, KOI will solve the number of blocks consistent with our hash.   Because we have tested the equipment we use and the software we use.   Multipool?  You cannot make that same assertion because you DO NOT KNOW.

I did not think you could do the stats you demanded to do on Koi.   Or are you too lazy?   Like I said, put up or STFU.
Why don't you give us the math on your claim that we all would make less if you left the pool?   That should be interesting to learn for us all.

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[flound1129]

And expect to hear from me next time Koi hits a dry spell.  Although I expect you'll both be conspicuously absent from the forum if that happens.

I can take it and I will still be here, but hopefully it does not happen until we are 2% of the pool. 
Let me know on those stats after you crunch the numbers.   I will be interested to know (maybe you have some reason for me to "hear from you" now).    As you have said, I am a moron that cannot do simple math so help me out here.
Hopefully, everyone will become the neighborhood watchers, so I would encourage you to call out anomalies and let OOC tell you that it is not likely (although his 8X is more than anyone can really stomach from someone over 10% of a pool).   Hopefully, you do not go 15 more days to get to the point where OOC would agree "something is likely strange..."

I don't have any problem with Koi's numbers.  He appears to be doing rather well lately.  That said, if he's so confident in his ability to find blocks at a rate above statistical average over long periods of time, one might wonder why he doesn't just skip pooled mining altogether and solo mine.

Now you are truly being a fucking idiot, stop while only a few people think you the fool.   Show the quote where I said that.  What idiot would believe that?
 I have absolute confidence that over the long run, KOI will solve the number of blocks consistent with our hash.   Because we have tested the equipment we use and the software we use.   Multipool?  You cannot make that same assertion because you DO NOT KNOW.

I did not think you could do the stats you demanded to do on Koi.   Or are you too lazy?   Like I said, put up or STFU.
Why don't you give us the math on your claim that we all would make less if you left the pool?   That should be interesting to learn for us all.

I do know - I know how stratum works, I know how share submission works.  If our hashes are being accepted, things are working.  If our largest miner had broken hardware, that would be less than 10% of our hashrate and would be enough to be detectable on other currencies.

Your hardware is tested, great.  What happens if there's a brownout or surge at your data center and your chips are damaged?  How would you know for sure they're still good?  Do you really want to go down this road?

Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

[xstr8guy]

Phillipma1975....

You really need to learn the definition of the following terms:

- merged mining
- solo mining
- mining pool
- multipool

It would really aid us all in trying to decipher your incoherent ramblings. I know that you think you're making sense. But you're not.

[hamburgerhelper]

It looks like multipool is gone.

I guess he didn't believe his luck would turn around after all. I'm pretty sure he didn't leave because of hurt feelings.

Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange. Shakespeare comes to mind, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks."

OOC, care to guesstimate his final luck? I think he ran for another 24 hours or so after your last analysis without finding a block. Of course, Doc could give exact stats if he chose to do so.

Hash on, pool buddies!

[organofcorti]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

[Krabbit]

I like the idea of any new large addition to our pool coming on line in stages.  Even if its not statistically improbable, bringing 1/7th of the entire pool online at the same time we experience a run of bad luck looks BAD.  And I would think anyone would want to bring that much online in stages to see the results for themselves.  (I know I didn't turn on all of my antminers at once.  I brought one up, watched it for a few hours and then started another...  Staggered as it were.)

[philipma1957]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

 

Too bad he left .  I really would have preferred the Doctor to setup a solo pool option.  Then have multipool run in it for 10 days.

The solo option is the acid test for anyone with so called 'Bad Luck' gear  and we will never know if multipool has it or not. 

 This brings me back to :

mulitpool A  11th
multipool B  12th
multipool C  15th

so on and so forth  until they are back up to 250th  and leaching off us or another pool.

To make myself clear I do not  believe multipool possessed gear/software that does this.

But multipool refused to test his gear/software if the Doc offered the  solo pool option.

Does anyone see why I want pools to offer us a simple easy solo pool option?

 Or am I talking too incoherently for anyone to understand me.

And now if multipool has full knowledge of bad gear/ bad software in the case of his setup he can direct it at any pool in small groups hard to detect.

 So since every major  pool that I asked   has so far refused to set up a solo mining section all a miner can do is mine on multiple pools to spread risk.

Which is what I do.

[not.you]

Gee thanks to the morons for chasing off all that hashrate.  Lets see if we can chase off all of our biggest hashers.  That should work out great.

[hobbymd]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

 

Too bad he left .  I really would have preferred the Doctor to setup a solo pool option.  Then have multipool run in it for 10 days.

The solo option is the acid test for anyone with so called 'Bad Luck' gear  and we will never know if multipool has it or not.  

 This brings me back to :

mulitpool A  11th
multipool B  12th
multipool C  15th

so on and so forth  until they are back up to 250th  and leaching off us or another pool.

To make myself clear I do not  believe multipool possessed gear/software that does this.

But multipool refused to test his gear/software if the Doc offered the  solo pool option.

Does anyone see why I want pools to offer us a simple easy solo pool option?

 Or am I talking too incoherently for anyone to understand me.

And now if multipool has full knowledge of bad gear/ bad software in the case of his setup he can direct it at any pool in small groups hard to detect.

 So since every major  pool that I asked   has so far refused to set up a solo mining section all a miner can do is mine on multiple pools to spread risk.

Which is what I do.

dude all that hash power are not his gear to test  

[philipma1957]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

 

Too bad he left .  I really would have preferred the Doctor to setup a solo pool option.  Then have multipool run in it for 10 days.

The solo option is the acid test for anyone with so called 'Bad Luck' gear  and we will never know if multipool has it or not.  

 This brings me back to :

mulitpool A  11th
multipool B  12th
multipool C  15th

so on and so forth  until they are back up to 250th  and leaching off us or another pool.

To make myself clear I do not  believe multipool possessed gear/software that does this.

But multipool refused to test his gear/software if the Doc offered the  solo pool option.

Does anyone see why I want pools to offer us a simple easy solo pool option?

 Or am I talking too incoherently for anyone to understand me.

And now if multipool has full knowledge of bad gear/ bad software in the case of his setup he can direct it at any pool in small groups hard to detect.

 So since every major  pool that I asked   has so far refused to set up a solo mining section all a miner can do is mine on multiple pools to spread risk.

Which is what I do.

dude all that hash power are not his gear to test  

 correct!!!    but it is his software that collects all that gear  into the worker known as multipool then points it at bitminter.  

 And if he has bad software it will never show a btc block.   I am convinced that  the gear is such a wide choice of gear  that some of it can  really  make blocks.

  I am not certain that his software can correctly gather all the different miners pass the information to bitminter correctly and make a btc block.    If there was a solo pool choice on bitminter  he could run there and if it worked no one would question his 'bad luck'.

I am certain of 3 things so far :

1) no major pool wants to setup this solo mining option.

2)' bad luck gear software'  has a very good chance of existing .
 
3) multipool left saying he will spilt his hash power (the hash power he collected and managed  for other miners) and he does not have to prove his software works to us.



While he was here how much did he collect?

I am lazy ,but it was in the thousands of USD

How many BTC blocks did he hit?  I believe none.

Now I respect and like the Doctor and his pool is not USA based.

 I am not being an A-hole here I continue to mine with the Doc and I like him a lot.  

I am pointing out something that can hurt all of us.

 I am asking for some solutions other then my three  which are :

1)every miner should mine in 3 or more pools at the same time.

2) every big established pool needs to offer an easy solo server section to any miner.

3) any major miner in any pool can be asked to use the solo server section of the pool  for 1 week.

   To define major miner if he should hit 1 block every 3 days if he solo mined he is a major miner.

These three ideas really should be industry standards for miners and pools.

I hope this is understandable to all that read it.

[egonallanon]

Multipool hit one BTC block while mining on bitminter and several NMC blocks.

[hamburgerhelper]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

From what he posted, I didn't expect diversify to mean Bitminer = 0%. That's like infinite diversity

I don't see multipool anywhere on the top 50 of Bitminter.

[philipma1957]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

From what he posted, I didn't expect diversify to mean Bitminer = 0%. That's like infinite diversity

I don't see multipool anywhere on the top 50 of Bitminter.

renamed and shrunk to 20 workers of 10 to 30 th.   across 3 pools  say btcguild, bitminter and eligus.  

 which is why I did not want him to leave as I wanted to know if his software has issues. now we don't ever get to know.

 which is what I said would or could happen if we all kept complaining about the issue.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27062.msg7284301#msg7284301


 this was my first thread post  talking about multipool.


  BTW I wanted a solo server and mentioned it well before this post  lets see .


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27062.msg7197340#msg7197340

 June 8th   was my first question about getting a solo option put in.

 Frankly I got pissed off  when everyone started talking about multipool and their fears about them. 

Until it dawned on me that was the best reason yet to have a solo mining option available on major pools. 

Well for now I have split my hash across a few pools  since that is all I can do by myself.

[jfederkins]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

From what he posted, I didn't expect diversify to mean Bitminer = 0%. That's like infinite diversity

I don't see multipool anywhere on the top 50 of Bitminter.

Based on a post he put on his web site I would say we will not see him back on BitMinter any time soon.

"Jun 20 3:29 AM I've made the decision to move us off bitminter due to its toxic community. I will be splitting our hash between several major pools in an attempt to smooth out our variance."

[hamburgerhelper]

Based on a post he put on his web site I would say we will not see him back on BitMinter any time soon.

"Jun 20 3:29 AM I've made the decision to move us off bitminter due to its toxic community. I will be splitting our hash between several major pools in an attempt to smooth out our variance."

Maybe that's why he left. Here's another possibility:

"Jun 20 3:29 AM I've made the decision to move us off bitminter so that I could scam them and say it was bad luck without them ever being able to prove it."

I suspect we'll never know which is the real reason for multipool's departure.

Personally I wish that he wasn't verbally attacked by members of this forum, but I also wish that his pool pulled its weight while a part of Bitminter. Both are out of my control, so I'm not getting worked up about either.

[philipma1957]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

From what he posted, I didn't expect diversify to mean Bitminer = 0%. That's like infinite diversity

I don't see multipool anywhere on the top 50 of Bitminter.

Based on a post he put on his web site I would say we will not see him back on BitMinter any time soon.

"Jun 20 3:29 AM I've made the decision to move us off bitminter due to its toxic community. I will be splitting our hash between several major pools in an attempt to smooth out our variance."

 I feel for the guy   'if he just had 2 weeks of bad luck and was completely unlucky' ,  but with the  April and May on the other pools having the 'bad luck' issues.  A big miner admitting poor software  being the cause.

   He had terrible timing for a bad luck streak.  

[Blockchainhead]

Sad situation. Shoulda just left him alone until we knew with a greater
level of confidence that something was wrong.

In his shoes:

I would owe it to the pool to stick it out until doubt gives way to certainty.

It was not going to take that much longer to figure this out.

Since the pool had been very generous to me, I would stick around and
return the favor. Otherwise, I would be sharing a bounty that I did not earn.

If vindicated, troublemakers would have to eat some serious crow, lose their
credibility and forum privileges.

If not, I would owe the pool.

Of course, "Thats just my opinion; I could be wrong."

[Phedwell]

<snip>Given how loudly he claimed his faith in probability, his departure is strange.
<snip>

No, not really:

<snip>
Hey, don't worry bro, because I've already made the decision to diversify our hashrate.  You'll see it dropping soon.  There's really no reason for me to bother trying to convince fucktards like you of anything.

From what he posted, I didn't expect diversify to mean Bitminer = 0%. That's like infinite diversity

I don't see multipool anywhere on the top 50 of Bitminter.

Based on a post he put on his web site I would say we will not see him back on BitMinter any time soon.

"Jun 20 3:29 AM I've made the decision to move us off bitminter due to its toxic community. I will be splitting our hash between several major pools in an attempt to smooth out our variance."

Or maybe he left because it IS such a toxic community. Mining is very nerve racking when so much money is at stake. And it brings out the worst in people. But you have to understand the statistics. There's always a chance someone has bad hardware/software, but there's a far greater chance that everything is normal and luck is just not on our side at the moment. People are acting more like irrational wild gamblers in Vegas than the technical, educated, hard working, (and friendly) people that i know you are.

And what about the rest of you foolios? Five blocks in five days? And Koi found most of them. Come on! He should be saying the same things about having to carry the weight of the rest of us right now.

I'll probably never find a block myself. That's why I joined a pool. I want to see the pool increase in size, not decrease. It's the decreasing pool size that will bring on more of the same periods of bad luck.

[flound1129]

It's not worth it for me to try to convince unreasonable people of anything.  Especially when I can just move my hash elsewhere and not deal with this BS at all.  Philip ma is still writing 100 line posts about how we should be on a solo fork to 'test our hardware' when we've already found 4 blocks (NMC difficulty is 80% of BTC difficulty and equal to BTC diff from May).  People are still saying '2 weeks' when it's only been 12 days (even now).  I've made attempts to correct these mis-assertions but they have gone unacknowledged by the people attacking me.

So there are a couple possible scenarios that could unfold in the next few weeks if we remain on Bitminter.  The scenario where I'm quickly vindicated is much more unlikely than us having another week of bad luck or even luck (which would still keep us at 'bad luck' overall).

Either way I don't feel that my miners owe the pool anything.  If DrH wants to look at the source code for the proxy I'm using to verify the functionality, I will gladly oblige him.  However I'm pretty confident that he knows how stratum works since he's been doing this for a while and that he knows that there is zero programmatic difference between this:

{"params": ["multipool_1", "1ac0", "18030000", "53a49522", "0095d948"], "id": 6981, "method": "mining.submit"}  <- normal share

and this:

{"params": ["multipool_1", "1ac0", "18030000", "53a49522", "62a8f301"], "id": 6982, "method": "mining.submit"} <- share that solves a block (for the sake of argument)

I wanted to feel like I was doing something good for the community by moving off ghash and onto a smaller pool, but your community quickly harshed that buzz.

I may have some hash back on Bitminter at some point, but it won't be under the username multipool.

[hamburgerhelper]

The fact remains that it would have been easier for you to stay on the pool and let the math prove you right.

You put in extra effort to avoid that. That is not reassuring.

You can give us any justification you want and it doesn't change those facts. The statement that you'll be back under a different name is not reassuring, and I'm not even one of the people who are going nuts about the situation.