Merit & new rank requirements

[KluFf]

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Eg should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.

I am now enlightened with the New merit system.
I guess it needs to earn the ranking system for yourself.


May i ask .
Just to clarify my self about the new ranking system
Eg.
My rank is Fullmember
And i reach the 240 activities.
But my Merit is not enough for Sr. member.

My question is does the activities increase?
with every 2 weeks that adds 14 activities.
Or it will stuck?
Until i reach the minimum requirement of Merit?

[InvoKing]

I support the idea since It could be a good solution to limit a new wave of spammers but for the ranking couldn't merit requirement be limited to the low ranks (up to full member? senior member?)
why should a hero member wait to collect +500? merit points to be a legendary while a lucky hero reached that rank a few days ago? Isn't it unfair? Isn't it like the VIP system? well sort of..
Couldn't this solution have a reversal effect and the spam will be leaded by high ranked members?
I could imagine a senior member with 250 merit and +480 activity trying to make as many posts as he could and asks his friends (or his alts) to reward him.  This could be bilateral and a pump groups will appears just like was reported in the bounties section. Well, this time by high ranked accounts maybe not newbies.
Still supporting the ideas even if the decision is to keep it like that. Just asking questions..

Edit : after posting, i see that there is similair ideas shared while typing.

[timenick]

I think new feature is good for cutting dowm spam in thread, but how to encourage people to give their merit to Jr and newbie? It is not good and hard for new members. I think it is better that distributing some merits to everyone based on their ranks every two weeks like the activities updating. Otherwsie, I believe the lower rank members will start buying merits from higher rank people for upgrading member level.

[achow101]

My question is does the activities increase?
with every 2 weeks that adds 14 activities.
Or it will stuck?
Until i reach the minimum requirement of Merit?

Activity and merit operate independently of each other. Your activity can increase while your merit does not. Your rank will not change until you reach both requirements.

[StelioKontos]

If everyone decides to not use this merit system because he has no time or will to click the link, even if he likes so much one's post, everyone's rank will stop levelling?

[suchmoon]

3) Alt-chain merit giving. Once 10 alt accounts or so have enough merit, they could now use their monthly allowance to instantly pass the merit requirements on their new alt accounts.

What monthly allowance?

My understanding is that when the initial bonus is exhausted it will be quite hard to earn new merit. There will be some pandering to the 35 hand-picked apostles and it's not quite clear how they will be held accountable, but alt farmers will have a hard time until they figure out some way to game the system. Dormant accounts don't get the bonus so they would have to buy high-ranked active accounts.

[josephpogi]

Can i ask? If i give merit to others my merit will reduce? Example i have 100 merit and i give 1 merit to one people and my merit will become -1 so my merit will become 99  ?

[bill gator]

If everyone decides to not use this merit system because if he has no time or will to click the link, even if he likes so much one's post, everyone's rank will stop levelling?

Yes, however this is sort of like saying "If everyone stops using the trust system the nobody will gain trust ratings." While this is the case, it is a moot point, because it is not going to happen.

There are sources, and these people will continue to use the merit system even if they are the only ones doing so; this will of course monopolize merit in an unfortunate way, so it is in everyone's best interest to use the system as intended, rather than ignore it as if it were never mentioned.

This will makes ranks more valuable, disincentive spam and I highly doubt the 3-seconds it takes to merit someone will deter almost anyone. Are you that constrained for time?

Can i ask? If i give merit to others my merit will reduce? Example i have 100 merit and i give 1 merit to one people and my merit will become -1 so my merit will become 99  ?

No, merit does not decrease; the merit you send comes from your sMerit, which is a separate count; you have an initial amount determined by your rank and you acquire more by receiving .5 sMerit for every 1 Merit you receive.

[suchmoon]

Can i ask? If i give merit to others my merit will reduce? Example i have 100 merit and i give 1 merit to one people and my merit will become -1 so my merit will become 99  ?

No. There are two separate numbers - your earned merit and merit you can send (sMerit). Just try it.

[Lutpin]

3) Alt-chain merit giving. Once 10 alt accounts or so have enough merit, they could now use their monthly allowance to instantly pass the merit requirements on their new alt accounts.

What monthly allowance?

You can send a maximum of 50 merit to one user in a 30 day window. After that, you cannot send them any additional merit before the time passes.
I think it's supposed to increase the spread of merit (instead of some users sending all 200 sMerit to each other) and make farming harder/easier to spot.

Can i ask? If i give merit to others my merit will reduce? Example i have 100 merit and i give 1 merit to one people and my merit will become -1 so my merit will become 99  ?

I've added a tl;dr to my first reply:

You have Merits, those you cannot send.
You also have sMerits, those you can only send, they have no other purpose.

When someone gives Merit to you they lose sMerit of the amount transfered and you gain Merit as well as sMerit (which in case you can send again).

Example: Should I send 10 Merit to you for a post, my sMerit would decrease by 10.
Your Merit would increase by 10 and your sMerit would increase by 5.


Merits are exclusively earned, but the sMerit part you also get keeps the circulation flowing.

(Ignoring merit sources here, for the sake of making an easy example.)

Hope that helps a little.

[Grafschmidt]

If everyone decides to not use this merit system because if he has no time or will to click the link, even if he likes so much one's post, everyone's rank will stop levelling?

Damn I totally agree with this.

Bounties&co promotes actively spam, not to mention airdrops requiring ID now (cmon, should I trust strangers with my ID now? Seriously?). It's natural people is going to farm accounts like there's no tomorrow.

This merit system makes it even more complicated.

[JWKY]

just look like I will never up level to Member  

latecomer be huge disadvange

[orkoso]

It seems that the merit curve is very steep. Basically, to go from member to full member you would need "90" merit. On the other hand, merit is quite expensive. For each "merit" created by the sources we can make a geometric series sum:

Sn= a1 (1-r^n)/(1-r)

with r= .5 and a1=1, results if summed to infinite in ... two. So, for 20 people to progress in one year from member to full member you would need to generate 1000 merit points on the sources (not counting other promotions, like to hero or Senior).

May I ask what is the generation rate that you are considering? If it is too tight this forum may become a private club for an elite as far as ranks.

I do agree that is good to have a system to curate the content, and this is not bad, depending on how it is regulated.

[InvoKing]

Can i ask? If i give merit to others my merit will reduce? Example i have 100 merit and i give 1 merit to one people and my merit will become -1 so my merit will become 99  ?

No. Merit points just increase (what you need to rank).
sMerit will decrease if you use it and you will lose nothing in your Merit points shown under your name (points that you could send to others if you wish "for free")

If everyone decides to not use this merit system because he has no time or will to click the link, even if he likes so much one's post, everyone's rank will stop levelling?

Afaik yes (considering that your merit at that time won't allow you to get a new rank).
And then someone change one lovely topic to legendary +00 day!

Edit : LoL Lutpin (You are a merit source)
I suppose : theymos, Cyrus, hilarious, yahoo are merit sources. (For the others including lauda and some Legendary accounts Ecuamobi, ognasty...etc it is quite possible)

[orkoso]

just look like I will never up level to Member  

Oh well, just try to become full member not to mention hero. But don´t despair, read my post above. Depending on the issue rate for the "merit" you may  be able to eventually be a member in a reasonable time.

[stompix]

Help me understand something...

There is a new +Merit button besides the quote button.
Leading to a new page that reads:

You have received a total of 500 merit. This is what determines your forum rank. You typically cannot lose this merit. You have 88 sendable merit (sMerit) which you can send to other people. There is no point in hoarding sMerit; keeping it yourself does not benefit you, and we reserve the right to decay unused sMerit in the future.

You are a merit source. The next 100 merit you spend will come from your source rather than your sMerit balance. Merit spent from your source will come back in 30 days. Unused source merit is wasted. It is not allowed for merit sources to sell their merit.

1.
Lutpin has already shown us he is a sMerit source
So from the message he has posted he is getting 100 sMerit per month.
This is an unlimited source.

2. For the rest of us we will play with our sMerits point giving and receiving    but  at some point since there is a halving involved those will just dry out.

3. Going a bit further in time and we have 35 forum members getting 100 sMerit each a month, a total of 3500.
Might be more or less, theymos knows that better.
That's enough for 14 Hero members to level up a month.....if they would get all the points

Hope I've made a mistake somewhere..

[drm]

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/BTVw8Up.png[/img]
Hero with 1000 Merit instead of 500

He's eligible for legendary, so he gets 1000 merit.

Well, "eligible" is random

The user is a legendary member now, I assume they already were tagged as one when the initial merit score was calculated.

but it would definitely be too harsh to get just 500. I get it now

That's what I got  

Actually I have been legendary for a few weeks already now. Strange you see my rank as hero.

edit; I see my rank as hero as well now, I ranked down?  
edit2; Seems to be back to normal.

[LiluSG]

I understood correctly and maybe someone has thoughts on this matter

- Is this campaign aimed at combating bots/mults and limiting growth and speed in the top accounts for signatures?
- Those users who generate 'sm'. They are in different language groups? Or their concentration in the English sector?
- If this system provokes a deliberate increase in Merit between accounts, will there be penalties and influences on the trust?

[Lutpin]

3. Going a bit further in time and we have 35 forum members getting 100 sMerit each a month, a total of 3500.
Might be more or less, theymos knows that better.
That's enough for 14 Hero members to level up a month.....if they would get all the points

I think the amount of merit sources is supposed to increase over time.
Theymos has added a set of "initial" sources, and the OP suggests he is searching for more members who would fit and be willing to assume this position.
If we have more sources (and all of them are actively giving out their monthly source merit), we'll have a higher addition to the sMerit supply,
thus higher second level (0.5 of what the sources give out each month), and so on.

Actually I have been legendary for a few weeks already now. Strange you see my rank as hero.
edit; I see my rank as hero as well now, I ranked down?

I saw you as legendary just a few moments ago when I visited your profile after the post by ecuamobi.
Now you're a hero both besides posts and in your profile. I guess this is an error that should/will be fixed (soon).

- Those users who generate 'sm'. They are in different language groups? Or their concentration in the English sector?

I'm not an english native speaker, so yes. There are several (at least two) languages represented with merit sources.

[numanoid]

What happened with all those merited messages shown on OP post? did it get removed due to over-merited messages?