Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[sebdude420]

Guys just be patient hopefully we all get prosperous from this whole deal.

[sebdude420]

There is only one factor in ROI and that is Bitcoin price.

If it goes to 1500 by December and we will all ROI.

Relax.

[eXOBeX]

Bitcoin Miners progress update – 06 June 2014

WiFi
The cases for X1 Prospero (all versions) will continue to be manufactured from metal which will interfere and disrupt the WiFi signal therefore we decided to suspend it. Any customer has the option to request for the WiFi solution to be included. We will be happy to include this solution on request when it will be available.

I'm surprised the metal case would have that drastic an affect on an external wifi antenna (99p on eBay, inc. shipping from China).

Order #102 here (one X3), placed on September 26th.  Mine is a trade-in order where BA is supposed to request my old Lancelots when it's nearing time to ship.  I have not yet received such a request.

Difficulty is now 375% of what it was on February 24th when they were supposed to ship. 

Might take a while before your Lancelots are ready for dispatch. Couple of months at least while you tape-out the cardboard box, run into problems with the supply of postage stamps, etc.

[Syke]

There is only one factor in ROI and that is Bitcoin price.

If it goes to 1500 by December and we will all ROI.

Relax.

Do I have a deal for you! Send me 1 BTC worth $650 today, and when BTC goes to $1500, I'll send you .65 BTC. That's a guaranteed 50% profit for you!!!!!

[tracyhh]

And don't forget to call the White House to send the Navy Seals Team Six the Marines and maybe one or two armed drones.

Seriously you call the police from another country and tell what? What kind of criminal activity is in course in BA's home? Your lawyer and your common sense knows this is maybe a civil case. Do you really want to go to a court? I don't know in your contry but in mine start one case of this nature is at least pay in advance 8k-15k for expenses and waith at least 1 year. Finally you go to the court and the trial Beguin....  I don't think so

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

[tracyhh]

And don't forget to call the White House to send the Navy Seals Team Six the Marines and maybe one or two armed drones.

Seriously you call the police from another country and tell what? What kind of criminal activity is in course in BA's home? Your lawyer and your common sense knows this is maybe a civil case. Do you really want to go to a court? I don't know in your contry but in mine start one case of this nature is at least pay in advance 8k-15k for expenses and waith at least 1 year. Finally you go to the court and the trial Beguin....  I don't think so

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

I am in China

[david105396]

I'd avoid making it easy to identify who you are between your order number and you user name here. They are being vindictive about people who are anything but positive about them.

Same with BFL, I can't post anything without it being reviewed by a Moderator and nothing has managed to get through to being posted, not even a calm post so I doubt they are even looking at them so I guess I'm banned.  Funny thing is, I don't even know what I did to get banned.  No communication at all from them.

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

[tracyhh]

Wait, so they shipped ONE X1? I guess we can all go home now, great success! 

they just shipped one X1 maybe because I called police....

I have called local police this week..

I still received nothing..I request refunds but they refused...

I told them, but no one reply me now....strange..

I will also tell local media and consumers' association if necessary or take them to court..

for now police is been involved in this case..and I will be happy if anyone want refund also,and if necessary for police ,and if anyone wish, I will collect all documents the police  need..when we be a group, we stronger!

anything new I will update..

Did they actually refunded you?  I tried to seek for police, bank and lawyer's help too, and am trying to work out for a solution with my lawyer.  BA just never would agree on the refund, just can't understand.

Did you call the Hong Kong Police, Shenzhen Police or US Police?  Maybe we could exchange reference numbers and let the Police do their job more easily by joining the files.

PM me.

I have PMed you, please check..

[coolmusic]

It's crime..so I choose to call police in China, this may easy,they will actually deal this case from last week...

I am in China
[/quote]

but what you claimed? theft? scam?
can you please post a copy of the complaint?
which payment method you used?

[raskul]

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

There is nothing that any irate customer could possibly say to you that is more rude and abusive than Black Arrow's conduct and performance. Case in point, this completely insane article making incredible claims about future product lines, when Black Arrow isn't even capable of ironing out the most entry level serial communications systems that even an intelligent hobbyist can do. There is literally no actual shipment-ready product confirmed in the 28nm line (other than purchasing the ASIC chips themselves at reduced prices now that indicate some kind of quick liquidation) , yet somehow it's acceptable for the company to talk like this to the press and general public:

http://bitcoinexaminer.org/alex-berk-black-arrow-as-soon-as-14nm-is-available-well-release-a-new-asic-that-will-outperform-any-other-14nm-designs/

"Prospero X3 is a monster"

he clearly knows absolutely nothing about this industry. the next step is 16nm.
I am glad that tracyhh has gotten the police involved, it's way beyond the time this should have happened.

As for the comments regarding rude customers; it's not the place of the seller to act in such a manner. These methods are also illegal.

I'd avoid making it easy to identify who you are between your order number and you user name here. They are being vindictive about people who are anything but positive about them.

Same with BFL, I can't post anything without it being reviewed by a Moderator and nothing has managed to get through to being posted, not even a calm post so I doubt they are even looking at them so I guess I'm banned.  Funny thing is, I don't even know what I did to get banned.  No communication at all from them.

You can be angry and say basically whatever you like. However we don't like people who are rude and abusive.

It's called 'showing professional prejudice.' David, you should know better, as a professional entity, you are not entitled to express such opinion.
bring it down.

[btct22]

What a thread to follow again in hindsight.. http://ecointalk.net/topic/254-skeptical/ - building their reputation...

[taipo]

Ok, to save me reading back through 266 pages, what has BlackArrow delivered so far?

[ernie-]

Ok, to save me reading back through 266 pages, what has BlackArrow delivered so far?

Nothing that I know of based on the Minion ASIC to an end user, unless I missed something.

[taipo]

So on their site they say their X-1 and X-3 are in stock, this is obviously not the case then?

[ernie-]

So on their site they say their X-1 and X-3 are in stock, this is obviously not the case then?

They may well be in stock in one form or another, however that doesn't mean they have shipped any.

[Vcore]

david105396 as you will get your miner soon I am very interested in some information.

The relationship between temperature and overclocking.
The relationship between vcore (not me lol) and overclocking.
The relationship between temperature and power consumption.

If there is enough overhead in the stock heatsink you could test it by controlling the fan manually and setting it to the maximum. If there isn't it will also be interesting.

My guesses are that overclocking will be heavily dependent on temperature a midly on voltage hitting thermal limits with slight increases on vcc while on stock cooling, I also think that it is quite likelly that there is a significant decrease in power consumtion with decreased temperatures. For those things to be really noticeable we need at least 20ºC of difference.

That information would really help us extracting the best overclocking and or getting a better hash/w. I am building a custom cooling and it would help me quite a bit.
Also, what is the maximum overclocking and voltage that the interface/hardware lets you set? (even if it will never reach it with aircooling it might with water or phase change and what could be reached could determine what kind of cooling is worth).

[TheMinex]

david105396 as you will get your miner soon I am very interested in some information.

The relationship between temperature and overclocking.
The relationship between vcore (not me lol) and overclocking.
The relationship between temperature and power consumption.

We'r all interested in this, but let me ask you why you'r so sure we'll be able to friendly control you (hups, I mean voltages  ) throug the interface. ( just to speculate between us )
In past posts I rise some questions ( screeenshot showing 80° after 2 min, possibility in psu bottleneck in OC with consequently wasted money for those who keep the psu while compensation scheme appear IN PROGRESS ) thinking that could be usefull ( BA is clearly in develop stage in which tweaks can be possible ).

However I don't expect any answer cause queue is just too long. So tierd. 

[Stedsm]

From BlackArrow
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Posted Today, 06:59 AM

We just had a breakthrough: The control board is now working as designed.

 

We are now able to deliver full functionality to X1 customers.

 

Please check the below picture showing an X1 miner hashing with the control board at 120Ghash.

 

http://ecointalk.net...-183939-resize/

[Vcore]

Of course I can't be sure but software control of vcore is quite standar in modern computers and problems appart it is clear that prosperos are beautifuly designed so it wouldn't surprise me if they had it. At the very least they should have it but not exposed in the interface if just because it is a convenient way for them to do a late change without changing resistors. Anyway if they don't have it or if the range is insuficient I would also like knowing wich pwm controller they use ;-).

The psu might limit the oc but I am meaning to go sub 0 and I hope that means a significant reduction in leakage and I hope that it might be enough to offset the increase due to higher frequency (if those things love vcore then we are screwed as the relationship with power draw is quadratic at the least).
Also it would be hard finding more powerful power suplies, it would be expensive and if you have to pay electricity it would be too expensive if it is going to be over 4500W per X3.

I hold hopes of getting answers because it is David's personal miner. And I don't see why wouldn't he want to test it and share the results with us.

[ChuckBuck]

From BlackArrow
    Advanced Member
    Moderators
    146 posts

Posted Today, 06:59 AM

We just had a breakthrough: The control board is now working as designed.

 

We are now able to deliver full functionality to X1 customers.

 

Please check the below picture showing an X1 miner hashing with the control board at 120Ghash.

 

http://ecointalk.net...-183939-resize/

Not sure what that means.  Does it mean there will be LCDs and the X-1s won't require RPi's anymore?

How does that affect shipping time, will it delay it even more?

BA, always talking in puzzles never giving straight answers.