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They told me different before I ordered. Besides, why are defending them so much? Do you really think how they are handling this situation is okay? Update: Minersource contacted me and said that I need to pay another $30 for shipping or get a refund based on a reduced amount of BTC because the exchange rate has changed. They said they don't even have the PSUs in stock despite listing them on their website as "in stock" over a month ago. I filed a complaint with the FTC and I am waiting for a response from Minersource.  Anyone know which payment processing company they use, so I can contact them next? Just get a refund i don't see the issue. Sure they said it was instock but we all knew that wasn't the case and they should have converted it to fiat instantly if they were waiting on their supplier but since you are doing a refund from BA just take the refund. They accepted 0.8028 BTC under false pretenses for a product they do not even have. Why should they make money off the volatility in the BTC exchange rate? I should receive back the BTC I sent. They aren't making money. They converted your bitcoin directly to fiat and will now convert that fiat directly to bitcoin. Furthermore - minersource doesn't differentiate between "In Stock" and "Pre Order" in their store. Pre order items that are available for purchase say "In stock". Since they said "item ships for free with your current order" a reasonable person would assume these would get shipped when the miners get shipped. The x1 psus for instance are probably on their way with the miners. Seriously - calm down. You're falling out of your dress. I'm defending minersource because I think they're doing the best they can reasonably do and have gotten something of the shaft from BA just like the rest of us. I've ordered like 90% of the hardware I'm currently using from them and they're alright. |
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me2014
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June 20, 2014, 10:50:06 PM |
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did anyone consult some lawyer about this?is there any chance we can do something because I feel this not gonna finish good :DD
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Pistachio
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June 20, 2014, 10:58:50 PM |
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Well your buddies are refusing to give me a refund for the PSUs that they don't even possess and that were meant to solve a problem that they created. The compensation units are not real and will never ship. This is a scam. Minersource knowing or not participated in committing fraud. They told me different before I ordered. Besides, why are defending them so much? Do you really think how they are handling this situation is okay? Update: Minersource contacted me and said that I need to pay another $30 for shipping or get a refund based on a reduced amount of BTC because the exchange rate has changed. They said they don't even have the PSUs in stock despite listing them on their website as "in stock" over a month ago. I filed a complaint with the FTC and I am waiting for a response from Minersource. Anyone know which payment processing company they use, so I can contact them next? Just get a refund i don't see the issue. Sure they said it was instock but we all knew that wasn't the case and they should have converted it to fiat instantly if they were waiting on their supplier but since you are doing a refund from BA just take the refund. They accepted 0.8028 BTC under false pretenses for a product they do not even have. Why should they make money off the volatility in the BTC exchange rate? I should receive back the BTC I sent. They aren't making money. They converted your bitcoin directly to fiat and will now convert that fiat directly to bitcoin. Furthermore - minersource doesn't differentiate between "In Stock" and "Pre Order" in their store. Pre order items that are available for purchase say "In stock". Since they said "item ships for free with your current order" a reasonable person would assume these would get shipped when the miners get shipped. The x1 psus for instance are probably on their way with the miners. Seriously - calm down. You're falling out of your dress. I'm defending minersource because I think they're doing the best they can reasonably do and have gotten something of the shaft from BA just like the rest of us. I've ordered like 90% of the hardware I'm currently using from them and they're alright. |
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June 20, 2014, 11:03:29 PM |
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I said the same thing about Terrahash and I received lots of hate for it. Then my posts were deleted. So, this response is expected. Welcome to Terrahash 2.0.
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June 20, 2014, 11:45:41 PM |
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With the caveat that the 5 month delay is quite bad, and the sincere hope of at BARE MINIMUM 1:1 compensation...
At least there is finally clear evidence of mass production!
1:3.3 compensation would be more appropriate. Difficulty on Feb 24th when our miners were supposed to ship: 3,129,573,175 Difficulty today: 13,462,580,115 (Probably more by the time they actually ship.) |
"All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed... and may only be opened in the presence of an agent of the I.R.S." - President F.D. Roosevelt, 1933
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June 21, 2014, 12:22:44 AM |
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Well your buddies are refusing to give me a refund for the PSUs that they don't even possess and that were meant to solve a problem that they created. The compensation units are not real and will never ship. This is a scam. Minersource knowing or not participated in committing fraud.
They also offered to refund you the same amount of dollars you paid. Also: They'll probably be late, and it will probably be far from enough compensation, but I bet the compensation units will actually ship. Finally: Minersource in no way "created" any problem. They got the same promises from BA that we all did. And if they acted in good faith - and all evidence so far indicates that they did (I'm not extending that faith to BA, yet) then they were merely a victim of the fraud and not culpable as you suggest. The fact that you are unwilling to take any semblance of culpability for the fact that you ordered a unit which says directly on the page "No free shipping for non-minersource orders" and are subsequently bitching about having to pay for shipping - you have personality problems my friend. No hate. But seriously? Everybody else in this thread, including the employees of minersource, is frustrated with BA. Your problem is of YOUR OWN CREATION. It has been offered to be resolved for you for what I find to be fair terms and you reject them. nobody even refused you a refund. they offered you a refund in equivalent USD but you want the BTC amount. If the exchange rate went the other way, you'd want the USD amount. Take what you can get. QED. |
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June 21, 2014, 12:28:39 AM |
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With the caveat that the 5 month delay is quite bad, and the sincere hope of at BARE MINIMUM 1:1 compensation...
At least there is finally clear evidence of mass production!
1:3.3 compensation would be more appropriate. Difficulty on Feb 24th when our miners were supposed to ship: 3,129,573,175 Difficulty today: 13,462,580,115 (Probably more by the time they actually ship.) If anything, I would like to see something along these lines. |
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June 21, 2014, 12:58:39 AM |
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Funny how the wording in part's of your post is just like that of the last email I received from Dan over at minersource  . Minersource committed fraud when they took people's money under false pretenses to perpetuate BA's scam. X3 units do not exist at present and I highly doubt anyone will receive compensation units for X3s or X1s. There will be more delays and problems with the PCBs. My bet is Blackarrow will be filing bankruptcy right after they ship a few X3s and before anyone receives a refund from them. Minersource is responsible for what they sell on their site. I don't want to hear any of this crap that it's BA fault. You decided to resell their non-existent equipment, no one forced you. I am in contact with Bitpay and the FTC. I will continue to pursue this to the fullest. Well your buddies are refusing to give me a refund for the PSUs that they don't even possess and that were meant to solve a problem that they created. The compensation units are not real and will never ship. This is a scam. Minersource knowing or not participated in committing fraud.
They also offered to refund you the same amount of dollars you paid. Also: They'll probably be late, and it will probably be far from enough compensation, but I bet the compensation units will actually ship. Finally: Minersource in no way "created" any problem. They got the same promises from BA that we all did. And if they acted in good faith - and all evidence so far indicates that they did (I'm not extending that faith to BA, yet) then they were merely a victim of the fraud and not culpable as you suggest. The fact that you are unwilling to take any semblance of culpability for the fact that you ordered a unit which says directly on the page "No free shipping for non-minersource orders" and are subsequently bitching about having to pay for shipping - you have personality problems my friend. No hate. But seriously? Everybody else in this thread, including the employees of minersource, is frustrated with BA. Your problem is of YOUR OWN CREATION. It has been offered to be resolved for you for what I find to be fair terms and you reject them. nobody even refused you a refund. they offered you a refund in equivalent USD but you want the BTC amount. If the exchange rate went the other way, you'd want the USD amount. Take what you can get. QED. Do your thing bro. I honestly don't care I just think you're acting like a child. "Funny" that my message sounds like minersource's? No. It's just logic. Apparently my decuction regarding the situation is accurate. I don't work for them I just buy from them and sure they pay a small bit for my signature but that obliges me not to do this. I've recieved a total of $30 from them and need a lot more to shill. I live in NYC not CO FYI. Also: I'm versed in the law, and the FTC and bitpay will likely laugh in your face. Do your thing man I really don't care. Just trying to inject logic. |
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June 21, 2014, 06:36:45 AM |
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With the caveat that the 5 month delay is quite bad, and the sincere hope of at BARE MINIMUM 1:1 compensation...
At least there is finally clear evidence of mass production!
1:3.3 compensation would be more appropriate. Difficulty on Feb 24th when our miners were supposed to ship: 3,129,573,175 Difficulty today: 13,462,580,115 (Probably more by the time they actually ship.) If anything, I would like to see something along these lines. Plus even a bit more for the 3.3x power and we've got a deal  |
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June 21, 2014, 09:09:26 AM |
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I'm satisfied if I get 1TH/S cloud mining for a year from my 2x X1 order.. guess that's hoping a lot though.
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June 21, 2014, 10:20:02 AM |
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Any news on the shippment bobsag3 .
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June 21, 2014, 11:47:07 AM |
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Is it true that customers who live behind the european curtain are looking at running a miner that could end up costing them money? How much life can they suck out of a customer?
Me, as a fucking german inmate behind the european curtain say: Unfortunately YES. They miners are nothing worth anymore due to high power costs. |
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June 21, 2014, 12:06:17 PM |
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Is it true that customers who live behind the european curtain are looking at running a miner that could end up costing them money? How much life can they suck out of a customer?
Me, as a fucking german inmate behind the european curtain say: Unfortunately YES. They miners are nothing worth anymore due to high power costs. Don't forget you got to pay import tax which will at least be a few 100 euro's. |
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June 21, 2014, 12:51:28 PM |
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Can't help myself to check Black Arrow forum and here for more of their weekly bullshit.
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June 21, 2014, 02:10:57 PM |
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Don't forget you got to pay import tax which will at least be a few 100 euro's.
This. Opted to wait for fully functional units with all advertised features. It'd rather resell fancy paperweights then unfinished ghettorigs. I want the product i preordered, not some halffinished rushed cluster of untested hardware. As for compensation, it has to be calculated based on the shipping date of the final miners. |
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me2014
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June 21, 2014, 02:14:21 PM |
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how BA thinks to cover compensation when KNC ship their products when they cant cover it even with current diff...they are f***ing liers!!
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June 21, 2014, 05:58:59 PM |
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A quick update for anyone having problems with a BTC refund from minersource or another merchant who uses Bitpay. Here is the response I received from Bitpay,
"I have noted a complaint from you against the merchant. If a sufficient amount of complains accumulate, then we will take action on the merchant's account."
You can call Bitpay at (855) 424-8729 to leave a message if you would like to file a complaint. Make sure to leave your email address and they will contact you by email.
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Pistachio
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June 21, 2014, 08:21:47 PM |
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Trusty ignore button for my trolling buddies Kingcolex and fivejonnyfive.
Attacking me personally does not change what I have to say. All I am asking for is minersource to return my BTC from their Blackarrow compensation PSU scam.
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June 21, 2014, 08:32:58 PM |
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A quick update for anyone having problems with a BTC refund from minersource or another merchant who uses Bitpay. Here is the response I received from Bitpay,
"I have noted a complaint from you against the merchant. If a sufficient amount of complains accumulate, then we will take action on the merchant's account."
You can call Bitpay at (855) 424-8729 to leave a message if you would like to file a complaint. Make sure to leave your email address and they will contact you by email.
why are you being a fucking child who won't stop throwing a tantrum? Seriously do you want Minersource to not be able to accept bitcoins because you're a child? +1 Minersource has never scammed anyone. |
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Pistachio
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June 21, 2014, 08:38:23 PM |
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They are selling PSUs for compensation units that are very unlikely to ever arrive. The X3s themselves do not currently exist. I believe the continued lies from BA and pushing back delivery of compensation units to an undisclosed date demonstrate this. You are welcome to disagree. I only posted information of how to contact Bitpay. I did not tell anyone to do so unless they believe they were scammed as well. If everyone agrees with you, then minersource has nothing to worry about. A quick update for anyone having problems with a BTC refund from minersource or another merchant who uses Bitpay. Here is the response I received from Bitpay,
"I have noted a complaint from you against the merchant. If a sufficient amount of complains accumulate, then we will take action on the merchant's account."
You can call Bitpay at (855) 424-8729 to leave a message if you would like to file a complaint. Make sure to leave your email address and they will contact you by email.
why are you being a fucking child who won't stop throwing a tantrum? Seriously do you want Minersource to not be able to accept bitcoins because you're a child? +1 Minersource has never scammed anyone. |
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