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March 21, 2014, 12:00:23 PM
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Of course, if some insidious large NXT holders wanted to ensure your scenario, all they would have to do is offer a matching donation of NXT to the mining outputs.

I think just a % above to ensure highest ROI would do the trick, and be sustainable for the longest period.  Then again, I might just be thinking this way because I'm already completely jealous of those of you who can mine in these NXT pools.
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March 21, 2014, 12:03:29 PM
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Ricky, you are a thoughtful guy so I presume this isn't just a personality clash? You shouldn't go, you have been an anchor for a long time. If Nxt doesn't look like it is going to turn out like you expected, don't walk away completely. Drop your stake if you want but say "what the hell, I've come this far. Let it ride". You might be surprised by unknowable events that happen in the future and I've never known a Sheriff desert his post  Wink


Let's not panic and read what he writes Smiley
He isn't going away, he is just being who he is and that means "integrity". He feels he can't do his job right in this way where treasurer and disburser are at odds. Smiley

This place needs some hugs.

And a bear.


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March 21, 2014, 12:11:59 PM
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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Thank you very much for your work to the NXT community. We are very glad to have you among us. I think you should put your nxt address in your signature and you'll have many donations

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March 21, 2014, 12:12:18 PM
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PS, I am looking for a web developer to give me a hand (well, haha, I need more than just a hand) in developing hashrate.org

This reminds me...  is there any plan for NXT to have anything like Namecoin's .bit registry?  If not, perhaps you might want to check on its availability too.
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March 21, 2014, 12:14:41 PM
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Here's another donation for those who keep following this thread. Healthy discussions are welcome but please try not to fight, feel offended and even thinking about leaving our project, guys. I sent 201 NXT to an account and the password is this entire post itself. Truly hope it's someone who helps by discussing, brainstorming or coding that gets it.
Haha, generous! I see I'm too late.  Wink

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March 21, 2014, 12:17:17 PM
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And a bear.


Thought you mend this one:  Grin


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March 21, 2014, 12:22:57 PM
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And a bear.


Thought you mend this one:  Grin


No reason why we can't have both  Grin


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March 21, 2014, 12:24:12 PM
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And a bear.


Thought you mend this one:  Grin


No reason why we can't have both  Grin


Cheers!



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March 21, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
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Everyone-

The issue that James brings up is REALLY IMPORTANT. If you are skimming through this part of the thread and you quickly decide that *duh* everything on AE should be denominated in nxt because nxt rules, THEN YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT.

Sorry for the all caps alarm bells, but this is a really complicated issue. If you do some research into the "petrodollar system" you will find a real world example of the problem that James brings up. Forcing the world to buy oil in USD has contributed to the USD's current status as the world's reserve currency. It has benefited the US government by increasing the value of USD (increasing worldwide demand for the dollar). However, now the US government has to make sure that oil producing countries only accept USD for their oil, or else the value of the USD will plummet and cause economic havoc for the US and the world. This is one reason that the US government is so friendly to the Saudis. This is also a reason that smart people are really worried about deteriorating relations between the US and Russia. The petrodollar system is a house of cards.

By analogy, only allowing trades in the AE to be denominated in nxt will have similar effects. If we succeed in making everyone use it, then sure, nxt prices will fly to the moon. However, the petrodollar system is highly unstable, and requires some serious political maneuvering to keep it running. It also required the most powerful country in the history of the world (debatable, I know) to get started. Lets be real here. We are a very small, niche community. I don't know if we could make AE successful with only nxt-denominated trades, but I do know that we would be making things much much more difficult for ourselves.

I also believe that such a system is inherently unstable. If we try to force people to use one currency, either by design of the nxt platform, or by dishonest marketing, we are ultimately doing more harm than good. We need to deliver unique, useful, and price-competitive services as a network. If our network is better than the alternatives, and if we market ourselves effectively, then we should see mass adoption of the nxt network and our personal wealth will increase. There is no easy shortcut.

We don't need to be the reserve currency of the internet to be ubiquitous and successful and richer than we are now. Please, please spend some more time thinking about the consequences of this decision.

+1, please, Nxt main target should focus on decentralization. Denominating everything in Nxt lead to centralization. Which is bad in the long term for Nxt. Most thing in AE will be denominating in Nxt anyway, but some special market need not to be denomintated in Nxt. Do not forget that.

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March 21, 2014, 12:26:57 PM
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excellent! keep them coming!  Cheesy

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March 21, 2014, 12:46:10 PM
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Everyone-

The issue that James brings up is REALLY IMPORTANT. If you are skimming through this part of the thread and you quickly decide that *duh* everything on AE should be denominated in nxt because nxt rules, THEN YOU HAVE COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT.

Sorry for the all caps alarm bells, but this is a really complicated issue. If you do some research into the "petrodollar system" you will find a real world example of the problem that James brings up. Forcing the world to buy oil in USD has contributed to the USD's current status as the world's reserve currency. It has benefited the US government by increasing the value of USD (increasing worldwide demand for the dollar). However, now the US government has to make sure that oil producing countries only accept USD for their oil, or else the value of the USD will plummet and cause economic havoc for the US and the world. This is one reason that the US government is so friendly to the Saudis. This is also a reason that smart people are really worried about deteriorating relations between the US and Russia. The petrodollar system is a house of cards.

By analogy, only allowing trades in the AE to be denominated in nxt will have similar effects. If we succeed in making everyone use it, then sure, nxt prices will fly to the moon. However, the petrodollar system is highly unstable, and requires some serious political maneuvering to keep it running. It also required the most powerful country in the history of the world (debatable, I know) to get started. Lets be real here. We are a very small, niche community. I don't know if we could make AE successful with only nxt-denominated trades, but I do know that we would be making things much much more difficult for ourselves.

I also believe that such a system is inherently unstable. If we try to force people to use one currency, either by design of the nxt platform, or by dishonest marketing, we are ultimately doing more harm than good. We need to deliver unique, useful, and price-competitive services as a network. If our network is better than the alternatives, and if we market ourselves effectively, then we should see mass adoption of the nxt network and our personal wealth will increase. There is no easy shortcut.

We don't need to be the reserve currency of the internet to be ubiquitous and successful and richer than we are now. Please, please spend some more time thinking about the consequences of this decision.

+1, please, Nxt main target should focus on decentralization. Denominating everything in Nxt lead to centralization. Which is bad in the long term for Nxt. Most thing in AE will be denominating in Nxt anyway, but some special market need not to be denomintated in Nxt. Do not forget that.

I think giving people the option to be free ultimately makes nxt stronger.  more options and more service = better nxt in the long run.  this isn't a pump and dump, right? Google makes money off of giving as much as they can away for free, and just making a little off the top via advertisements, same with facebook.  the platform that gives the most for free wins in my opinion. 

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March 21, 2014, 12:48:47 PM
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This issue is a non-issue as an AT with the ability to be sent Assets and to send Assets itself can easily act as a trustless trader between two parties.

Let's say that we have two account holders one who has ABC shares and one who has XYZ shares and let's say that those two users want to make a deal where for each 1 ABC sent and 2 XYZ sent the AT will then send the shares back to the other guy (if this doesn't happen by a "timeout" period then shares are returned).

Once established this AT can now "run forever" allowing those two account holders to trade ABC for XYZ shares at 1:2 (if later they decide to "change" the rate then this could be done via AM that needs to be sent by both users).

When you start to see what becomes possible through ATs you will begin to realise that there is simply no need to be doing other changes to the "core" of Nxt.

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March 21, 2014, 12:51:56 PM
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James, I am not going to question or even comment further on any of your ideas.  It seems to me that every time I do, you take it as distracting  neanderthal personal attack and threaten to quit NXT development because both your work and your vision for NXT is so unappreciated.  This is never my intention.  I have only intended to initiate respectful, honest debate on critically important topics.

I do not believe it is appropriate that you have someone you apparently consider to be an ongoing adversary to serve as a treasurer for the funds you control.  Please identify whom you trust to serve in this role and upon their concurrence I will deliver to them passcodes to NXTcommunityfunds, NXTcashoperatingfund and NXTcashcompletionfund.

Best wishes to you and to NXT.
Ricky I would appreciate if you return the NXTcashoperatingfund to me because I decided to give this 1M NXT to a common fund the early adopters/big stakeholders committee will form (official announcement in the following hours) so it can be handled by the community for various projects (including anonymity features) - better to do it more officially rather than James handling the whole chunk, I am sure he will agree..

EDIT: The community should be aware that a big part of the early adopters will ONLY fund from now on in this way - the committee is made exactly for this reason, transparency, fairness and optimal management of resources (both ours and the community's).

Klee, I have sent the NXTcash passcodes to you at your gmail address and the NXTcommunity one to neer at his gmail address, using the system we previously discussed.  I just feel I have rubbed James the wrong way one too many times, and he deserves to have his funds disbursed from somebody that he will feel is not at odds with his decisions.

I have no negative feelings of animosity towards anyone.  This is an amazing community filled with brilliant and wonderful people, especially you, James.  

I remain invested in NXT and will work for its success.  

Hey, guys, thanks for the bears.  And beers.

To da moon!
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March 21, 2014, 12:52:17 PM
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Is there a non-dev explanation of the whole AT thing?
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March 21, 2014, 12:53:03 PM
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This is an amazing community filled with brilliant and wonderful people, especially you, James.  

I remain invested in NXT and will work for its success.

+1
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For the people that don't know how mining work.

Just to let you know, that you can easily mine scrypt coin with cpu, it is not the most efficient way, but it would be a good idea at the moment to beta test the Nxt mining pool. You are welcome to test them. More feedback is always welcome. Still you should be able to get some nxt if you have a fast cpu.

The cpu miner can be get at:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpuminer/

You need to create a .bat file in the directory of the miner as follow:
add in a start.bat file :

START /LOW minerd -o stratum+tcp://hashrate.org:3008 -u 13777396447329170446 -p xxx -t4

For the hashrate.org pool (http://hashrate.org/). OR

START /LOW minerd -o stratum+tcp://p00l.org:3003 -u 13777396447329170446 -p xxx -t4

For the p00l.org pool (http://www.p00l.org/).

Replace the Nxt address with your (-u Nxtadress). Don't change the password (-p xxx). Note also that the argument -t4 will specify the number of cpu thread the miner will use (for example -t4 = 4 threads). Don't put there a number greater than the number of thread of your CPU.

You can follow the nxt mining thread at https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,4399.135.html

Enjoy.

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March 21, 2014, 01:01:25 PM
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I have no negative feelings of animosity towards anyone.  This is an amazing community filled with brilliant and wonderful people, especially you, James.  

I remain invested in NXT and will work for its success.  

Hey, guys, thanks for the bears.  And beers.

To da moon!
Thanx and cheers to you too mate!  Smiley

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March 21, 2014, 01:11:54 PM
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https://www.coinforum.ca/discussion/1242/decentralized-publishing-platform-with-embedded-currency-plus-toronto-meetup

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March 21, 2014, 01:14:58 PM
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Nxt meme....Bears with Beers....to celebrate this pub of a thread.


So the meme is bears holding beers saying cheers to NXT


I don't care if Nxt is serious tech.....this meme is staying....can someone create and post this as I'm not a graphics guy.

Edit: The bears can also be drinking coco or some other beverage....I do not want to turn off those who do not drink.


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Bears holding beers saying cheers to Nxt

FIFY - great meme! Wink

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