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[Anon136]

network topography is not a quantitative quality. the idea that we can define its qualities in an objectively valid way presupposes that we have a better solution to exactly the sorts of problems that proof of stake blockchains were invented to solve in the first place.

[wesleyh]

Hey, new version at http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

Basically, I changed asset issuance;

See this screen below, you'll see there are a bunch of extra settings. The most important of which is the suffix.

Now that the asset exchange allows non-unique names you'll see duplicate listings. I don't like this. Now, in the future I will show as XYZ.001, XYZ.002 etc (it doesn't yet now for technical reasons), but even that is not a good solution. We need some kind of branding.

That's why I added a suffix field. This field should be set to an alias you control.

This allows you to brand your asset. For example, if you sell gold, instead of it being displayed like "gold.012" you can display as "gold.yourname".

The prefix (gold) is not unique, the suffix is (since it's an alias which is already unique).



There are a few other fields also like tags but I don't really use these now. I added this because CFB is also adding tagging capability to his digital goods store. However, he is doing it server side, I'm doing it client side. I don't like that. I would like for both api's (asset exchange and DGS) to have as much in common as possible). I'm only adding tagging here as a proof of concept at the moment.

Anyway, this is how an asset with a suffix looks like in the sidebar:



This too I would like to see integrated on the server side, as an extra field in the assets table. Why? Because right now I have to do double the requests; I have to first fetch the asset, if it has an alias assigned to it, fetch the alias and check to see if it belongs to the asset issuer (if not it is not displayed). So this is not as efficient, and since it's a field that can never change, it doesn't make sense not to integrate it in to the asset exchange table.

Of course, only if you guys (the community) like this feature.

Please let me know your feedback on this. I think it solves all the issues; we have a non-unique prefix and a brandable, unique suffix.

Thanks to pandaisftw and jl777 for the ideas.

Test this, and let me know if you find any bugs or have suggestions.

Donations appreciated at 8189784314684138350

[ChuckOne]

network topography is not a quantitative quality. the idea that we can define its qualities in an objectively valid way presupposes that we have a better solution to exactly the sorts of problems that proof of stake blockchains were invented to solve in the first place.

And now again, please. For ChuckOne and all of those with lesser English skills.

[Anon136]

if anyone has any proposals that they would like to submit for review by the techdev committee than send them my way and i will add them to our public repo on bitbucket

[Anon136]

network topography is not a quantitative quality. the idea that we can define its qualities in an objectively valid way presupposes that we have a better solution to exactly the sorts of problems that proof of stake blockchains were invented to solve in the first place.

And now again, please. For ChuckOne and all of those with lesser English skills.

ok so the idea is that if we could measure and define the qualities of the network topography in a way that all observers could agree on than we would have never needed sotoshis invention. that is PRECISELY the problem that satoshi solved with proof of work and blockchain. if we could have measured the network topography in an objectively valid way than it would have always been immediately obvious to everyone involved if someone ever tried to do a doublespend.

[ChuckOne]

Hey, new version at http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

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Great work.

One word about more code in common: run for it. I think JL is open for that.

About the non-uniqueness of assets. Well, nice idea of having a branding via an alias, but I still do not like it. It is just a feeling.

Maybe, somebody could give me a good feeling of non-unique asset names.

[wesleyh]

Hey, new version at http://nxtra.org/nxt-client/

[...]

Great work.

One word about more code in common: run for it. I think JL is open for that.

About the non-uniqueness of assets. Well, nice idea of having a branding via an alias, but I still do not like it. It is just a feeling.

Maybe, somebody could give me a good feeling of non-unique asset names.

Non-unique asset names are already here. JL added the code. I'm only trying to salvage what's salvageable. Do you like gold.034 and gold.381 better?

Regarding the code, cfb would have to do that. JL doesn't have the time, and I don't know enough java (yet).

[ChuckOne]

Non-unique asset names are already here. JL added the code. I'm only trying to salvage what's salvageable. Do you like gold.034 and gold.381 better?

Regarding the code, cfb would have to do that. JL doesn't have the time, and I don't know enough java (yet).

Yes, I know. I quoted the commit.

Your example is good. That is what my bad feeling is about. Who's going to trade that? What is the 'real' gold asset? Names are important to people.

[DrearyUrbanite]

wow crazy the price went up :O

The market has a way of sensing that I am about to get some BTC and make a NXT purchase. It almost always happens.

[wesleyh]

Non-unique asset names are already here. JL added the code. I'm only trying to salvage what's salvageable. Do you like gold.034 and gold.381 better?

Regarding the code, cfb would have to do that. JL doesn't have the time, and I don't know enough java (yet).

Yes, I know. I quoted the commit.

Your example is good. That is what my bad feeling is about. Who's going to trade that? What is the 'real' gold asset? Names are important to people.

Well, is the real gold the guy that buys the asset name first? Nope, not the best solution either.

[ChuckOne]

ok so the idea is that if we could measure and define the qualities of the network topography in a way that all observers could agree on than we would have never needed sotoshis invention. that is PRECISELY the problem that satoshi solved with proof of work and blockchain. if we could have measured the network topography in an objectively valid way than it would have always been immediately obvious to everyone involved if someone ever tried to do a doublespend.

Ah, yeah. I am halfway trough.

So, now what? What is your conclusion?

[arafel71]

Guerre? je ne suis pas d'accord.

You cannot fight with knives against tanks.

hum, with AT we will have weapon for fight against ethereum. We cannot ''underestimate'' them power for attract people. i see 3 weeks ago a lot of young people really happy to mine ether in their testnet.  They have a really good public relation and ''show them face to public'' .So public can associate ''real human'' with this project.  Maybe we need to do ''our coming out'' and go out our confort zone. All nxt group of java developper stay in shadow (me too also), this is only reflexion : can we stay like this .  Ether is now your main competitor.

[TwinWinNerD]

Hey guys, just found out that there is a #nxt channel.

Come and join, we really do need a NXT trollbox!

For newbz:

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=nxtalk

Thx weasleyh

[jztxeno]

hasrate.org vs nxtp00l.org ?

[wesleyh]

Hey guys, just found out that there is a #nxt channel.

Come and join, we really do need a NXT trollbox!

For newbz:

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=nxt

It's actually #nxtalk

http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=nxtalk

[salsacz]

Guerre? je ne suis pas d'accord.

You cannot fight with knives against tanks.

hum, with AT we will have weapon for fight against ethereum. We cannot ''underestimate'' them power for attract people. i see 3 weeks ago a lot of young people really happy to mine ether in their testnet.  They have a really good public relation and ''show them face to public'' .So public can associate ''real human'' with this project.  Maybe we need to do ''our coming out'' and go out our confort zone. All nxt group of java developper stay in shadow (me too also), this is only reflexion : can we stay like this .  Ether is now your main competitor.

But we need more than AT/E, we need a "lego" for creating decentralized apps and a button for creating new cryptocoins - on top of nxt

[TwinWinNerD]

I got some time on my hands, so:

What should I change/add/remove in the reddit sidebar?
http://www.reddit.com/r/NXT/

Thanks for the feedback!

[Anon136]

ok so the idea is that if we could measure and define the qualities of the network topography in a way that all observers could agree on than we would have never needed sotoshis invention. that is PRECISELY the problem that satoshi solved with proof of work and blockchain. if we could have measured the network topography in an objectively valid way than it would have always been immediately obvious to everyone involved if someone ever tried to do a doublespend.

Ah, yeah. I am halfway trough.

So, now what? What is your conclusion?

Well its a tough problem. if there was a way to say exclude someone from the blockchain who failed to announce his intention to mint a block than it would be easier. that's the first problem that needs to be solved.

*edit* cfb do you know how to do this?

[ChuckOne]

Well, is the real gold the guy that buys the asset name first? Nope, not the best solution either.

Of course not, because we have a strong association of what gold is.

But there might be a virtual asset 'Tawo' in the future. The first to issue that might also be its inventor.

[chanc3r]

hasrate.org vs nxtp00l.org ?

Dunno... I got my first payout of 415 NXT from nxtp00l