NXT :: descendant of Bitcoin - Updated Information

[DrearyUrbanite]

hasrate.org vs nxtp00l.org ?

Too early to tell. I am mining both for now since having two is better than one.

[Eadeqa]

Non-unique asset names are already here. JL added the code. I'm only trying to salvage what's salvageable. Do you like gold.034 and gold.381 better?

Regarding the code, cfb would have to do that. JL doesn't have the time, and I don't know enough java (yet).

Yes, I know. I quoted the commit.

Your example is good. That is what my bad feeling is about. Who's going to trade that? What is the 'real' gold asset? Names are important to people.

Well, is the real gold the guy that buys the asset name first? Nope, not the best solution either.

With unique assert names, what if the scammer issues gold asset first? Now he owns that asset name forever.  What about other people who want to sell gold if the name is unique?

[ChuckOne]

Well its a tough problem. if there was a way to say exclude someone from the blockchain who failed to announce his intention to mint a block than it would be easier. that's the first problem that needs to be solved.

*edit* cfb do you know how to do this?

Do you mean, there is a ambiguity in the interpretation of nothing?

Does no block from account A mean: A did not forge.
Or
Does no block from account A mean: A did forge but is late.
Or
Does no block from account A mean: A did forge privately.

[achimsmile]

Do you like gold.034 and gold.381 better?

You should buy my gold.goldgold 

I think it's a great idea to tie a unique alias to the asset!

[Come-from-Beyond]

Well its a tough problem. if there was a way to say exclude someone from the blockchain who failed to announce his intention to mint a block than it would be easier. that's the first problem that needs to be solved.

*edit* cfb do you know how to do this?

Why do u think that an average programmer could know this? This is a conceptual issue.

[ChuckOne]

Could somebody of them pleeease fix their nodes? -.-

Code:

[2014-03-20 19:23:54.605] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:54.720] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:55.145] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:55.251] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:55.448] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:55.602] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:55.755] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:23:56.016] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.442] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.452] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.472] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.473] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.485] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.488] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.492] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:01.510] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.684] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.702] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.726] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.737] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.747] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.757] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.774] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:06.787] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:11.958] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node8-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:11.965] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: emoneyru3-nxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:11.983] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:11.989] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:11.993] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 01-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:12.005] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 03-nxtcloud.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:12.010] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 19:24:12.024] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: node6-mynxtcoin.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 21:20:50.247] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 21:32:29.738] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 21:47:13.529] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 21:55:26.216] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 22:02:15.434] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 22:08:51.672] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[2014-03-20 22:18:55.983] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com
[.... 150 times the same ....]
[2014-03-21 21:12:32.292] DEBUG: Invalid peer address: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com:80, java.net.UnknownHostException: 02-emoneyru.rhcloud.com

[Anon136]

Well its a tough problem. if there was a way to say exclude someone from the blockchain who failed to announce his intention to mint a block than it would be easier. that's the first problem that needs to be solved.

*edit* cfb do you know how to do this?

Why do u think that an average programmer could know this? This is a conceptual issue.

erm. well you might know. i dont know what you dont know.

[NxtMinnow]

Anon136 I think you should read this http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

[NxtMinnow]

'the coin that shall not be named" could help define network topology

Well its a tough problem. if there was a way to say exclude someone from the blockchain who failed to announce his intention to mint a block than it would be easier. that's the first problem that needs to be solved.

*edit* cfb do you know how to do this?

Why do u think that an average programmer could know this? This is a conceptual issue.

erm. well you might know. i dont know what you dont know.

[Anon136]

Anon136 I think you should read this http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

wow what a bad ass!

[NxtMinnow]

The US political regulation disrupting international Visa and Mastercard customers is a sign of disadvantages inherent in the centralized payment systems.

Read: http://en.ria.ru/business/20140321/188628529/Visa-Mastercard-Freeze-Customer-Cards-at-Russian-Bank.html

Anon136 I think you should read this http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

wow what a bad ass!

[arafel71]

Guerre? je ne suis pas d'accord.

You cannot fight with knives against tanks.

hum, with AT we will have weapon for fight against ethereum. We cannot ''underestimate'' them power for attract people. i see 3 weeks ago a lot of young people really happy to mine ether in their testnet.  They have a really good public relation and ''show them face to public'' .So public can associate ''real human'' with this project.  Maybe we need to do ''our coming out'' and go out our confort zone. All nxt group of java developper stay in shadow (me too also), this is only reflexion : can we stay like this .  Ether is now your main competitor.

But we need more than AT/E, we need a "lego" for creating decentralized apps and a button for creating new cryptocoins - on top of nxt

I agree with you, you should see the ''basic'' set of instruction code of ciyam. Maybe a no computer science man will only see a set of some logical operator ''AND'', ''OR'' etc...   But the fact is you can build an upper level langage like C or java base on this kind of instruction which allow to build in a more easy way application or ... everything you want..you will have your ''lego'' like this. This is target of vitalik also ...    With this kind of upper level langage base upon platform nxt we can imagine to build a ''nxt facebook'', a ''nxt twitter'', etc... on top of nxt with some requirements about security or anonymity . This my every day work, many customer want only to press a ''button'' but often this button required 1,  100 to 30 000 or 100000 days men to achieve.  

think about a scheme like this :
binary (0,1)-> hexadecimal instruction  > assembler code (X86,68000, Z80 etc...) -> langage (java, C) -> Application .

PS : you can build also an application with turing langage but in a really really hard way.

[paradigmflux]

Hey guys, http://hashrate.org has had a bit of a facelift.
Yesterday we paid out 0.008 BTC/MH/day equivilent in NXT - why mine anywhere else?

Great job on this, I'd really like to see a layman's guide on your page as well, for those that want to mine a little bit;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5820979#msg5820979

Check the new "Getting Started" section

[zorke]

Hmmm, Cryptsy is at it again...

Deposited 7500 NXT, 22 hours ago and it is still not added to my balance.
It arrived, minutes after sending, at the correct address. After some e-mails back and forth this was their final response:

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Thank you for providing the information needed.

NXT deposits and withdraws are delayed. NXT is a new coin that we have introduced. There will be some delays as our technical team along with the developers of this coin are working hard to make this new coin run smoothly. Please bear with us as we work to improve your trading experience.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.
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You mean Craptsy
They suck big time!!

[Daedelus]

I do have this problem.

Hey Daedelus (or any other wiki contributor),

Can we update the wiki to mention this issue with the old blockchain explorer, and provide the link to the mynxt explorer? Wouldn't want people accidentally resending transactions when they don't see them in the old blockchain explorer.

Do it yourself you lazy shmo    Contributer's are always in demand and I only started yesterday  


Ok, ok I jest. But as a halfway house, how about you post the text you want and I will try and find the place to put it and update it for you. Deal?

Edit: Maybe I should have read the post below this one before posting. Oops.

[chanc3r]

Hey guys, http://hashrate.org has had a bit of a facelift.
Yesterday we paid out 0.008 BTC/MH/day equivilent in NXT - why mine anywhere else?

Great job on this, I'd really like to see a layman's guide on your page as well, for those that want to mine a little bit;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5820979#msg5820979

Check the new "Getting Started" section

This payout is scrypt I take it

[ChuckOne]

The US political regulation disrupting international Visa and Mastercard customers is a sign of disadvantages inherent in the centralized payment systems.

Read: http://en.ria.ru/business/20140321/188628529/Visa-Mastercard-Freeze-Customer-Cards-at-Russian-Bank.html

Anon136 I think you should read this http://trilema.com/2014/interacting-with-fiat-institution-a-guide/

wow what a bad ass!

Thanks for sharing.

[igmaca]

Hey guys, http://hashrate.org has had a bit of a facelift.
Yesterday we paid out 0.008 BTC/MH/day equivilent in NXT - why mine anywhere else?

Great job on this, I'd really like to see a layman's guide on your page as well, for those that want to mine a little bit;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=345619.msg5820979#msg5820979

Check the new "Getting Started" section

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The URL / cpuMiner.bat requested was not found on this server.

Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) Server at Port 80 hashrate.org

[Daedelus]

My gf laptop has died, something to do with recent Windows updates and she wants to watch her soaps on mine 

 I'll work on the wiki tomorrow...

[mczarnek]

Haven't given up yet.  Is there a reason this wouldn't reliably get random numbers into a decentralized network?

3 forgers at once, first 3 from the list of next forgers in line to forge.

A picks a random number, signs it, and sends to B
B picks random number, signs it, and sends to C
C picks random number, signs it, and sends to A

No machine can pick a number based upon the numbers picked by the other two machines because they don't know them all.

All forgers wait until the other machines have picked a number and have heard from the other machines that everyone is holding onto their digital signature for some data they don't have.  All every forgers knows is the signature of the machine that passed it data.

Now they send their actual data to the next machine, that machine double checks the signature against the data and sees that yes, this is the data that was signed by the last machine.

They sign that data themselves and broadcast it to the network.  Now all forgers know that A has signed that it generated this random number as well as the random number and they have verification from B that B is saying A is telling the truth.

Now every block has a truly unique random number attached to it.

If either A or B are found to not match up, you'd probably want to flag them as suspected liars or manipulators, it could be either one that is lying about the other one, most likely one of them is being honest but there is no way to tell which one.  If they are found to be lying, ditch the random numbers that are disputed.

Every block sum the last 10 minutes worth of random numbers along with the account balances from 1440 blocks ago (or much sooner with this scheme?) and use that to determine who will forge next.

Please attack it!


Looks like ByteCoin agrees with me, after writing this up I did some poking around and something like this should indeed be a way to generate an agreed upon random numbers within a decentralized environment: http://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/1858/is-there-some-way-to-generate-a-non-predictable-random-number-in-a-decentralised

Edit: actually no reason A should only send his signed copy of the data to only B, send it to both B and C.
B should send it's signed copy of the data to A and C, and C to A and B.