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March 20, 2014, 07:13:38 AM
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remember, there's a little bit emule in everyone of u Grin Grin

Now ur happy and all smiling because price seems to bounce off from the down trend?

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March 20, 2014, 07:27:31 AM
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We smile all the times, my friend.
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March 20, 2014, 07:30:02 AM
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(in words ONE)


This was unnecessary and dickish.

Don't be a dick (second rule of feedback)  Tongue

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March 20, 2014, 07:31:00 AM
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I am ready for another dump. Will it happen?
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March 20, 2014, 07:38:23 AM
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I am ready for another dump. Will it happen?

Don´t think so....  Cheesy
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March 20, 2014, 07:45:11 AM
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My comments regarding "price" were not intended as "speculation" (but seemingly have been interpreted that way).

The market will decide "how much NXT is worth" and that value will be mostly determined because of the usefulness of the platform.

Perhaps people might consider "quoting this post" instead of the other but of course people are only going to quote what suits them.


I don't really know any other way to interpret what you said. It's pretty clear if you ask me and if you feel I'm taking you out of context I'd love to be shown in what way.

Anyway, I think I've said enough on all of this. Anyone who doesn't get what I'm saying at this point is probably never going to get it. I'm glad I got it off my chest and now it's time to move along. Feel free to talk all the shit about me you want.

Take a look at this, salsacz posted this earlier: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0BwAGADgnQcrtdXE5MkF5S05oaHM/edit?pli=1

"Very high" is relative anyways. As CIYAM just said, the market forces will decide the price - NXT will have value, but the price (or at least the fees) need to be low enough so that services can use NXT without paying exorbitant fees. Whether this is $1 with 0.01 fees or even $2, who knows.

IMO, you'd have more success if your statements were more constructive. Pointing out things that are in development (for example, instant transactions) and basically creating a ruckus of it isn't going to be very well received.

I took a look at your reddit post, and basically it can be broken down to two sections: upcoming features and fees.

1) Calling NXT a bait and switch is a little disingenuous because those features mentioned on the sidebar of reddit are in development. So far two of the things on that list are already implemented, and we are testing the AE right now. Going from 0 to 3 out of 4 implemented, in four months, and you're complaining about being lied to? I don't see you blaming Auroracoin for not being in the hands of Icelanders yet... it's "in progress". (Btw, the first post of this thread clearly states that instant transactions are in progress. Hopefully you read that post before investing...)

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A) Fees can be changed. We may eventually switch to Optical's system, who knows. Btw, this problem is not unique to NXT, all crytpos have hard-coded "min" fees.
B) AE was never planned to do HFT (I can pull up a quote of CFB from a long time ago). How are you going to do HFT on a blockchain that runs on a 1 minute timer? Imo, the AE serves a more useful purpose - such as gateways, kickstarter and things I can't even think of right now - than simply acting as a stock market. Thus, fees really are not that big of a deal (assuming they remain small, refer to A)) for people who don't do HFT. Also, exchanges normally charge 0.15% or even higher for a successful trade. NXT charges the min fee to post an order - different systems for different purposes.

Lastly, you've ignored all the projects that are going on right now *not* on your lists. Like others have said, I don't think you're "spreading FUD", but the way you're going about this is not as helpful as you think. Okay, you've outlined some problems, that's good, we need people who can see problems - now, how can you help remedy them?

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March 20, 2014, 07:55:22 AM
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Don't know if it was posted yet:

http://www.ofnumbers.com/the-guide/
NXT mentioned here: http://www.ofnumbers.com/2014/03/04/chapter-3-next-generation-platforms/

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March 20, 2014, 08:10:21 AM
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Marketing "Fast" is a successful Nxt marketing theme. I think my 47 second video could be made faster, creating a new Nxt testnet account, logging out and back in all in under 30 seconds. It is just one example of the "Instant" Functions of Nxt.     nxtra.org/nxtclient/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br4HEt_HbOY
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Last edit: March 20, 2014, 09:15:26 AM by Daedelus
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My comments regarding "price" were not intended as "speculation" (but seemingly have been interpreted that way).

The market will decide "how much NXT is worth" and that value will be mostly determined because of the usefulness of the platform.

Perhaps people might consider "quoting this post" instead of the other but of course people are only going to quote what suits them.


I don't really know any other way to interpret what you said. It's pretty clear if you ask me and if you feel I'm taking you out of context I'd love to be shown in what way.

Anyway, I think I've said enough on all of this. Anyone who doesn't get what I'm saying at this point is probably never going to get it. I'm glad I got it off my chest and now it's time to move along. Feel free to talk all the shit about me you want.


Boo Hoo.


Your are very skilled, I don't think I have ever seen anyone throw so much FUD around and get thanked for it afterward  Cheesy My jaw actually dropped and I reluctantly finding myself admiring you slightly.

I invite anyone who is still interested to re-read the fees discussion from where Brian jumped in, his argument briefly from memory

Fees are too high > I don't think fees will change (tollbooth) > We're too decentralised, decision won't be made (crap like this, fees too danmn high (after we had theoretically just dropped it??)) > We're too centralised relying on JL (hit by bus)..
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Perhaps your preference is a distributed network? Wink Being all over the place and not debating one point at a time and mixing in assertions is textbook of a certain kind of bahaviour that nobody values here...

Largely ignoring solutions and questions people we're posing, to continue a crusade all the while declaring Nxt a failure in various ways (POS 0). You don't have faith in the devs but you soon change your tune in later posts. All under the guise of "critical friend".


Very impressive.



EDIT: P.S. In case anyone is wondering, I haven't sent any PMs to Brian.
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March 20, 2014, 08:26:29 AM
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Moving on. No more Brian discussion please.
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March 20, 2014, 08:35:11 AM
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Moving on. No more Brian discussion please.

Agreed
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March 20, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
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There's just 1 problem with a list of predefined categories though; it's centralized.

As far as I understand, the DGS (digital goods store) also won't have categories. CFB does not like this idea of centralization. (even though it would help the user)
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March 20, 2014, 08:40:48 AM
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Jemand aus Berlin hier? BitcoinPaul wo kommst Du her?
Hier mal reinschauen, Deutscher Journalist sucht Story über einen Berliner der sich in Kryptos engagiert. Wenn es ein Nxter wäre um so besser:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522420.0
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March 20, 2014, 08:41:24 AM
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I posted it to get opinion of others (as it is scheduled to be the default client that is distributed with NRS server)

The general consensus is that wesleyh client's password generator is safe

http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/53659/is-this-password-generator-safe

Thanks for having that checked! As the second user says, it uses seedRandom.js in case Crypto is not available - not just Math.random  https://github.com/davidbau/seedrandom
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March 20, 2014, 08:42:54 AM
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There's just 1 problem with a list of predefined categories though; it's centralized.

As far as I understand, the DGS (digital goods store) also won't have categories. CFB does not like this idea of centralization. (even though it would help the user)

how about storing the information about categories locally in a file, people can share the file if they like.
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March 20, 2014, 08:45:03 AM
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wesleyh, any progress on getting the Mac client updated?
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March 20, 2014, 08:45:30 AM
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There's just 1 problem with a list of predefined categories though; it's centralized.

As far as I understand, the DGS (digital goods store) also won't have categories. CFB does not like this idea of centralization. (even though it would help the user)

how about storing the information about categories locally in a file, people can share the file if they like.


This could again be a task for a service provider. He checks each asset and adds it to a category.
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March 20, 2014, 08:46:09 AM
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wesleyh, any progress on getting the Mac client updated?

OK sorry! I will try to release an update today.
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March 20, 2014, 08:46:28 AM
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In order to motivate visits and participations on this thread I decided to donate 201 nxt to an account and the first person who logs on it is free to transfer the money to an account of your own. The password is this entire post itself. Keep participating, discussing and coding guys!

Selling Qora for 5 satoshi each.
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March 20, 2014, 08:51:07 AM
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There's just 1 problem with a list of predefined categories though; it's centralized.

As far as I understand, the DGS (digital goods store) also won't have categories. CFB does not like this idea of centralization. (even though it would help the user)

how about storing the information about categories locally in a file, people can share the file if they like.


This could again be a task for a service provider. He checks each asset and adds it to a category.

not necessarily be the task for service providers, every one can tag the assets and share their version of the file.
also good if there are service providers doing the task.
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