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April 08, 2014, 06:26:16 PM
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Looks like this night will be the night of long knives in the South-East.
The coup government in Kiev that overthrew legitimate government of Ukraine now raises the punishment for coup actions to 15 years in prison. It also is on a determined path to suppress the South-East with extreme violence. People in Donetsk and other towns are pulling to the centre, preparing for a siege. May of the defenders are Afghan veterans, who are prepared to fight back to the end.

In the meantime, in Odessa, Ultra-nationalists are hunting down people wearing Georgy (Victory) bands, and swastika was drawn on the Holocaust memorial.

In light of this Kiev government prepared and ratified an amnisty for the currently imprisoned criminals, releasing every 5th inmate (about 25000 people).

More new here:
http://www.vesti.ru/theme.html?tid=105474
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vesti.ru%2Ftheme.html%3Ftid%3D105474&edit-text=&act=url

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“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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April 08, 2014, 06:28:49 PM
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worst case scenario the euro value falls for 20% and that's it


20% is more than enough. Have you ever heard about market derivatives?

iirc the average leverage on French banks is like 53 so make the numbers, a 20% drop will wipe out everyone who has above 5 leverage that is more like a blood rain

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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April 08, 2014, 06:53:59 PM
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This is getting interesting: in Lviv (Western Ukraine!), there is some unrest as people are dissatisfied with the new prosecutor, appointed by the coup government_:
http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1459011&tid=105474

By the way, here is a timeline of recent events:
http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

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April 08, 2014, 07:10:29 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKMVFtPsFI#t=46

Freedom of Speech in the Ukrainian parliament  Roll Eyes
Just found it there:

http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/

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Video of fighting in Kiev Rada shows the true nature of the evil leaders of the coup. The Ukrainian people should hang their heads with shame for allowing thugs and criminals to seize power. As for Kerry, he is just pouring petrol on the fire. Wake up Ukraine before the USA destroys your country with EU help. Dont vote for the Chocolate King because he will turn into a Chocolate Samovar and melt under pressure.
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April 08, 2014, 07:46:37 PM
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EU helped Greece as no one else, Greece brought it on itself..

The EU destroyed Greece with all the stupid reforms which were forced upon the Greek government and the people. Greece would have been better without the Euro.

oh please prove this stupid theory

the Greeks raised loans to repay their previous loans which they had to pay because they raised a too big loan
the EU had nothing to do with it




worst case scenario the euro value falls for 20% and that's it


20% is more than enough. Have you ever heard about market derivatives?

I just try to point out your fallacies and misunderstandings - I have no intentions to argue with you and this is totally off topic, end of discusion. Back to Ukraine.

I'm just saying it would devaluete it but not kill it

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April 08, 2014, 08:04:26 PM
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EU helped Greece as no one else, Greece brought it on itself..

The EU destroyed Greece with all the stupid reforms which were forced upon the Greek government and the people. Greece would have been better without the Euro.

oh please prove this stupid theory

the Greeks raised loans to repay their previous loans which they had to pay because they raised a too big loan
the EU had nothing to do with it
Eu dint let them default, remember papandreus did asked for a referendum and he was quickly removed by EU even if it was elected and replaced by a unelected head and same story happen on Italy with Mossi

Los desesperados publican que lo inventó el rey que rabió, porque todo son en el rabias y mas rabias, disgustos y mas disgustos, pezares y mas pezares; si el que compra algunas partidas vé que baxan, rabia de haver comprado; si suben, rabia de que no compró mas; si compra, suben, vende, gana y buelan aun á mas alto precio del que ha vendido; rabia de que vendió por menor precio: si no compra ni vende y ván subiendo, rabia de que haviendo tenido impulsos de comprar, no llegó á lograr los impulsos; si van baxando, rabia de que, haviendo tenido amagos de vender, no se resolvió á gozar los amagos; si le dan algun consejo y acierta, rabia de que no se lo dieron antes; si yerra, rabia de que se lo dieron; con que todo son inquietudes, todo arrepentimientos, tododelirios, luchando siempre lo insufrible con lo feliz, lo indomito con lo tranquilo y lo rabioso con lo deleytable.
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April 08, 2014, 09:07:04 PM
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This one is a bit "old", but I just discovered it an it gave me good laugh, courtesy 2DF from Germany.   Grin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-Xz-dTTRgY
(Select "Translate captions" in the video and YouTube will translate Russian Captions to English on the fly.)

We all need a few laughs in these darkening times...

Damn... Watching it... They hit it spot on in that program!

Google-translated Russian subs from the show
Code:
" Madhouse "
- To the barricades !
- Mr. von Wagner ?
- Mr. Utof ,
as you walked past the barricades ?
- I rode the elevator !
- That's what happens when you have to make a barricade barrier-free ,
Mr Tymoshenko !
- I ...
- What are you actually doing?
You ... What are you doing here ?
What are you here at all staged ? Paralympics what?
Seven days - seven locks ? Or what?
- Is not it seen ? We make revolution!
- Yes, stop , you only grows dull with the people !
- Well, it has proven its effectiveness in popular uprisings !
- Just come k ..
Tell me,
why is there something Russian lettering on transparency ?
- Solidarity with Ukraine !
- Yes -ah !
- It's time for our citizens carrying in their hearts the fire of the revolution ,
and dare these corrupt elites !
Yes -ah !
- And that you that you want to achieve production of the musical "Les Miserables" ?
- Remember, " you have to get to dance the petrified order,
singing them their own tune ! "
- Superb! Andrew Lloyd Webber ?
- Karl Marx !
- And these here - who?
- All - ready to fight the rebels ! Allow me to introduce Comrade Pussy ,
and this - Comrade Pussy .
- Busse ! [ name of the actor in the role of Tymoshenko ]
- Yes, exactly !
- And it's there for the right type of sector?
- We prefer not to find out for sure , but it took us weapons !
- Stop !
Have you forgotten who we are?
- No, we're invaders madhouse !
- Right, share fanatical Democrats.
- Brief - NPD ...
No, better leave a long name ... [ AFD - abbreviation right elective unit in Germany - " Alternative for Germany" ]
- And we are here to objectively explain behind the policy .
- Let me guess, he is responsible for a good mood ?
- Mr. Utof , this time you will not extinguish our revolutionary fire!
Is not it, guys?
- Look, do you really think
today such important things, like revolution , Trust volunteers - lovers like you ?
- We are not lovers ...
Okay, we're here as volunteers , but we do not ...
- Volunteers ? Without money ? We agreed to another !
Disagree !
- What did he say ?
- You can walk !
- Miracle !
I can walk !
- Mr. von Wagner ,
revolution, as in Ukraine, today organized by professionals
that's it, for example!
- Yes, Vitali Klitschko , this is revolutionary !
- You ever heard his fluent ?
- Do not be biased, he wore the same lifetime protection on the teeth.
- I mean , he's not even really in Ukrainian
can not speak, but wants to become president !
- C'mon, as a citizen , I too would be happy , if not
understood every word that says Hauk . [ President of Germany ]
- Forget ...
Remember this puppet fund them . Konrad Adenauer Foundation , a pro - right
John McCain , a former presidential candidate . In December, on the Maidan .
- McCain ? What's he doing , french fries ?
- He and his foundation for a long time working to make Ukrainians
Democracy is compatible with a market economy , a pleasant taste.
- Yeah, just sick of them ...
- Yes, when sick than directly to the West !
- Americans have invested in a coup in Ukraine
a total of 5 mrad . dollars ...
- Yes, it's Putin says so !
- No, Victoria Nuland !
- Fuck you!
- Fuck the EU!
- Look at what I did in December on Independence
Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of the American ...
You just look like an American baker Ukrainian revolution !
Just imagine it's the opposite :
Putin goes to the movement " Occupy Wall Street "
hodgepodge distributes billions of dollars ,
and then stood up and said : "Mr. President , tear down this Wall Street! "
[ reference to Reagan's speech , and then Yatsenuk " tear down this wall " - "Tear down this wall!"]
- Well,
- Well, now we have made ​​it clear that bad - it's the Americans ,
Well that Russian can just attack a sovereign state ?
You'll probably become to explain that there are only Russian carnival note
" Russian Monday" in the Crimea?
[" Russenmontag " - " Rose Monday " - " Pink Monday" - the peak of the German carnival ]
From a military form of ... of ...
of carnival store!
Putin doing the lambada , seizing Ukraine with ass !
You know what I tell you ?
Russian ... what they 've done there - is a violation of international law !
American Foreign Minister John Kerry famously said : " Under the false
pretext to attack the country to push their own interests. "
- Excuse me, can I still hear this sentence ?
- Yes, of course , so: " Under the false pretext
attack on the country to push their ... "
[ Title: " These weapons Saddam ! "]
Fuck you!
- Language of Diplomacy ...
slightly injured in an era propaganda. When all the points
the war, most willingly listen accursed voice
ie everything that reveals to us the Russian secret service .
On the lips of the imperialists , the members of Western governments
there flies freely thinking about how
they imagine the future of Ukraine , or
who actually shot on Independence .
German media usually do not really know about it ,
because they are too busy with their shortwave
radios searching for those which news that
confirm their prejudices about the " evil Putin ."
So lush color bloom comparison with Hitler.
But comparisons with Hitler should not forget that not everyone who is lame - Goebbels .
Needless to say that Frank-Walter Steinmeier , our new Minister -
Best German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle, from the time
[previous minister , until recently ]
Steinmeier , our four diplomat already
Munich Security Conference ordered
democratically elected president of Ukraine , he
should immediately recognize all the demands of the demonstrators .
Yes, it has a long tradition in our country , we have every protest
movement, which has no time to hide, is recognized immediately .
After it warms up conflicts and good for our arms exports .
Actually , it is unpleasant :
Our foreign policy has been suffering from " premature escalation ."
But what impact has our minister !
There a few months the people stand in the cold, then a shot is fired , the blood flows ,
and only when approaching danger speech has Steinmeier
all quickly come to the table and sign .
Frank- Walter Steinmeier, also signed the agreement ,
yes he did all signs !
I'm afraid to even imagine how many magazines he had already subscribe !
And then he enthusiastically shaking hands of the Nazis from the party "Freedom", and wonders
that this agreement has been violated through this dark hour rabble .
I think it's worthy of the Guinness World Records :
just five weeks after the renovation of German foreign policy
Nazis sat in the Ukrainian government .
It has never worked out so well to see how the West instrmentaliziruet
country if the new globalized trade and entertainment center .
IMF ...
IMF Yanukovych suggested several billion , only when
provided that it will raise gas prices by 40% to the market level .
But this could not accept even a greedy jackass as he ;
and immediately at full power unwound International PR.
Then you should not be confused , this is not some conspiracy theory
it is common practice conspiratorial .
There's frost on the Maidan months their asses demonstrators and that they will receive as a result ?
Higher gas prices !
Well, yes, dear Ukrainians , this is the side effects of freedom.
Actually, I would like here to protect Putin
it may also have interest,
he can also get out of yourself if NATO , breaking all the promises chosen closer ;
but then I saw that his friend , Schroeder, it is protected ,
with remarkable argument : " I did then, too
bombed Serbia in violation of international law ,
and so now do not have to face [ Putin ] finger . "
Well known, Schroeder has always shown the middle finger to international law .
but now
I'll have to change his mind , because if history has taught us anything , and then this :
if Schroeder finds something right , it's right can not be .
- And so ...
Sorry, you do not see what else I 'm saying?
- Excuse me, Mr. Utof , of course, we find it very important that
as you cast your citizens in granite satirical statement.
- In the granite did not cast !
- That's right, and I mean , finish with their
florid phrases, we want to finally rolled to head!
- Exactly!
- Why not , we have here the guillotine.
- Oh, I can not look at the blood !
- Do not worry, we have it from the society " Humane decapitation ."
Now I want to hear your suggestions . Who are you going next ?
- Yanukovych Yanukovych !
- What's he charged with ?
- He oppressed his people !
- Yes, exactly !
- But he was chosen by his people ...
- Yes , the OSCE is also said ...
- Come on, if we were to get rid of every democratically elected representative
who do not like our people , then we would have to go back to the polls ...


 Embarrassed Embarrassed Embarrassed

On a sad note:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d55B3OGLj-Q
These medics describe how medicaments and medical equipment was extracted from hospitals and driven to "remote storage" in huge volumes, while they desperately needed said medicaments to treat the wounded from Maidan. They wonder if that was done specifically to increase the number of dead and to escalate the situation.

 Cry Cry Cry

Terrorist operation "peaceful demonstrators":
In German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaoI3x6GmQY
In Russian: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Oed2DDOi7A
German mainstream media (as the rest of the West) was portraying Yanukovich as a monster who ordered to slaughter his people, while  the footage above disproves that notion, showing that the police was under strict orders not to react to provocations on to maintain defensive positions.

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April 09, 2014, 02:25:36 AM
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Americans are getting ready:

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Another American military ship will soon arrive for deployment at the Black Sea as the Ukrainian crisis continue, Derek Chollet, the US Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs told the House Armed Services Committee.
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April 09, 2014, 08:30:35 AM
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Americans are getting ready:

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Another American military ship will soon arrive for deployment at the Black Sea as the Ukrainian crisis continue, Derek Chollet, the US Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs told the House Armed Services Committee.

http://rt.com/news/us-destroyer-black-sea-289/

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April 09, 2014, 09:09:57 AM
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Americans are getting ready:

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Another American military ship will soon arrive for deployment at the Black Sea as the Ukrainian crisis continue, Derek Chollet, the US Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs told the House Armed Services Committee.

http://rt.com/news/us-destroyer-black-sea-289/

yeah

ready to dive in black sea

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April 09, 2014, 09:34:07 AM
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Support from German intellectuals:
http://rt.com/news/germans-support-putin-ukraine-265/
http://www.nrhz.de/flyer/beitrag.php?id=20163

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April 09, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
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Putin is getting good support from the general public in various EU nations such as the UK and Germany. I have noticed opinion polls showing strong voice against any EU intervention.
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April 09, 2014, 11:38:33 AM
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Why does everyone frown down on many of the Ukrainian states turning to Russia when just a few weeks ago everyone wanted them to turn their backs on Russia and move to the EU?
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April 09, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
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http://rt.com/business/putin-ukraine-economy-gas-353/

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Russia can’t continue to prop up Ukraine’s faltering economy, and this responsibility should fall on the US and EU, which have recognized the authorities in Kiev but not yet given one dollar to support the economy, President Putin said.

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Georgia's ex-general Tristan Citelashvili stated that snipers shooting to kill on Midan were from Georgian ex-president's Saakashvili's guard, and that he knows the names of those four Georgian snipers:

http://www.interfax.ru/world/370642



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In Oval Office:
- Mister President, we have a good and a bad news.
- Start with the good one.
- Crimea is back with Ukraine.
- Yess!!! We've finally pushed those Russians! And the bad?
- The whole of Ukraine joined Russia.

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200 years ago everyone studied French, and we reached Paris.
70 years ago everyone studied German, and we reached Berlin.
Now everyone studies English... Maybe they shouldn't try their chances...

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April 10, 2014, 02:12:11 AM
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Georgia's ex-general Tristan Citelashvili stated that snipers shooting to kill on Midan were from Georgian ex-president's Saakashvili's guard, and that he knows the names of those four Georgian snipers

Is Saakashvili still alive? I am sad that the Ukrainians haven't learned anything from what happened to Saakashvili. The US used him, and later dumped him. The same will happen to all those anti-Russia types in Kiev.
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April 10, 2014, 07:48:06 AM
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Georgia's ex-general Tristan Citelashvili stated that snipers shooting to kill on Midan were from Georgian ex-president's Saakashvili's guard, and that he knows the names of those four Georgian snipers

Is Saakashvili still alive? I am sad that the Ukrainians haven't learned anything from what happened to Saakashvili. The US used him, and later dumped him. The same will happen to all those anti-Russia types in Kiev.

Not just alive, but also kicking. He was on Maidan, giving flaming speeches not long before the violence from the "protesters" started. Coincidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD14Uip6FOo


By the way, I should have written "retired general", not "ex-general".

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Not just alive, but also kicking. He was on Maidan, giving flaming speeches not long before the violence from the "protesters" started. Coincidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD14Uip6FOo

I thought he was in jail. The current Georgian president had accused Mr. Saakashvili of gross incompetence, and mental issues. Who released this psychopath from the jail?
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Not just alive, but also kicking. He was on Maidan, giving flaming speeches not long before the violence from the "protesters" started. Coincidence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HD14Uip6FOo

I thought he was in jail. The current Georgian president had accused Mr. Saakashvili of gross incompetence, and mental issues. Who released this psychopath from the jail?

His American benefactors? Smiley
He was not imprisoned, though. He had questioning summons sent to him:
http://rt.com/news/saakashvili-questioning-criminal-georgia-569/

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April 10, 2014, 11:48:41 AM
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EU helped Greece as no one else, Greece brought it on itself..

The EU destroyed Greece with all the stupid reforms which were forced upon the Greek government and the people. Greece would have been better without the Euro.

http://chaostrading.weebly.com/2/post/2012/02/a-history-of-greek-defaults.html
http://greece.greekreporter.com/2014/01/26/born-in-debt-greeces-history-of-borrowing/



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New Age of DEFI
A Non-Code Platform for
Decentralized Trading Instruments

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