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June 02, 2014, 07:44:14 AM
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Again you are mistaking the Vostok battalion, either knowingly or unknowingly. I had earlier posted about the Vostok guys.

First of all, many of the journalists in the Western media mistook the Elite Vostok Brigade of the Donetsk People's Army for the Chechen Vostok Battalion (which is actually controlled by the Chechen clan-leader Badrudi Yamadayev, who is fiercely opposed to Ramzan Kadyrov). The Donetsk Vostok brigade is composed of former Ukrainian soldiers, and there are no foreigners among them.
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June 02, 2014, 11:48:19 AM
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Russia is going to put forth a UN Security Council resolution to immediately stop military activity in Ukraine, secure the civilian population and to create humanitarian aid corridors. This must be done as a pre-requisite for fulfilment of Geneva agreements:
http://rbcdaily.ru/world/562949991635688



"Svoboda"'s Tjagnibok suggests that the Parliament (Rada) closes the border with Russia and introduces Visum-regime.
http://ria.ru/world/20140602/1010332117.html

This act aims to deprive Ukrainians and Novorossian's from earning their livelihood, and to prevent families living on both sides of the border (of which there are a lot) from visiting each other.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 02, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
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Ukrainian fighter jets have bombed the administration building in Lugansk city, causing dozens of deaths and injuries. Details are still being awaited. A large number of people are trapped inside the building, which is currently on fire.

http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/
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June 02, 2014, 02:21:03 PM
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NATO says that its position on Ukraine is fundamentally different from the Russian one:
http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1233139?utm_medium=rss20

Given that Russia disapproved of the civilian killings and urges talk and federalisation of the country, I take it NATO have just said that they are for unitary country, governed by an iron hand disregarding how many people are killed in the process.



More propaganda from Ukrainian Ministry of internal affairs, painting the resistance as baby-eating monsters, who destroy the infrustructur of Ukraine by being in the building and thus forcing the furry Ukrainian Army to bomb them:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/02/n_6201365.shtml

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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 02, 2014, 02:36:25 PM
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Ukrainian fighter jets have bombed the administration building in Lugansk city, causing dozens of deaths and injuries. Details are still being awaited. A large number of people are trapped inside the building, which is currently on fire.

http://rt.com/news/163076-ukraine-lugansk-clashes-jet/

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the self-defense forces at the moment report one fatality and 10 people sustaining injuries.

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At least five people have been killed in the attack

dozens of deaths and injuries

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Russia sends "humanitarian aid" to defend its borders against the crazy Ukrainians committing genocide against their own people.

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June 02, 2014, 02:43:29 PM
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And who the fuck are the "self defence forces"?

Defending what? They want an independent, new, country between Russia and the Ukraine?
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June 02, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
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UN has been sending peacekeeping forces to some places that you'll be hard-pressed finding on the map. Yet the topic of sending peacekeepers to Ukraine is a taboo. Makes you think, eh?

As for humanitarian aid. Russia requested permission to do so, and was denied. It is now pushing this through UN Security Council.

Currently, Slavjansk is under siege - no one comes in no one gets out. In Donetsk, people who tried to collect the dead from around the airport got shot dead by the military. Ambulance came under fire. There is need for humanitarian aid, where ever it comes. But EU must first admit that there is a problem in Ukraine before mounting any aid, and according to EU - everything is fine. Being killed by artillery fire has been added to the list of natural causes.

And who the fuck are the "self defence forces"?

Defending what? They want an independent, new, country between Russia and the Ukraine?

Defending Novorossia, a new self-proclaimed independent republic. They defend their right to be what they are on their land.

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June 02, 2014, 02:55:24 PM
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UN has been sending peacekeeping forces to some places that you'll be hard-pressed finding on the map. Yet the topic of sending peacekeepers to Ukraine is a taboo. Makes you think, eh?

As for humanitarian aid. Russia requested permission to do so, and was denied. It is now pushing this through UN Security Council.

LOL!
Have you ever seen a rich person in the city, attacking a homeless guy and shouting "stop resisting! Just let me give you the bloody money!" No? Me neither.

Or how about a drug dealer trying to inject an "unreliable" customer with more drugs to keep him hooked? Yeah, that sounds more like what Russia is trying to do to the Ukraine.
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June 02, 2014, 03:48:56 PM
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Right Sector neo-Nazis were ambushed near the city of Konstantinovka by the Donetsk People's Army. A huge cache of arms, including sophisticated machine guns were recovered from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsF4_OD2F-o
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June 02, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
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UN has been sending peacekeeping forces to some places that you'll be hard-pressed finding on the map. Yet the topic of sending peacekeepers to Ukraine is a taboo. Makes you think, eh?

As for humanitarian aid. Russia requested permission to do so, and was denied. It is now pushing this through UN Security Council.

LOL!
Have you ever seen a rich person in the city, attacking a homeless guy and shouting "stop resisting! Just let me give you the bloody money!" No? Me neither.

Or how about a drug dealer trying to inject an "unreliable" customer with more drugs to keep him hooked? Yeah, that sounds more like what Russia is trying to do to the Ukraine.

Peacekeeping forces need not be Russian, as long as Russian contingent is present. Humanitarian help could be sent through UN or Red Cross. No problems there.
The problem is that in these cases the West first needs to acknowledge that there is trouble in Ukraine.

As for drugdealer analogy. Hmm... I beg to differ. Russia is trying to wean Ukraine off the cheap gas, for starters Wink



Some news:

Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs condemns air strikes against Lugansk:
"On the 2nd of May Kiev government has again conducted a crime against its own people. Peaceful residents of Ukraine were killed as a result of an air strike against the building of Lugansk regional administration."
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1233571?utm_medium=rss20



The head of UN urges Poroshenko to use peaceful means of stabilising the situation in the East and to initiate a dialogue with Russia:
http://ria.ru/world/20140602/1010396026.html

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June 02, 2014, 06:49:47 PM
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Right Sector neo-Nazis were ambushed near the city of Konstantinovka by the Donetsk People's Army. A huge cache of arms, including sophisticated machine guns were recovered from them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsF4_OD2F-o

Hahaha funny , but please explain to us, how ground/air weapons arrived in hand of calm citizen in a city ??
How simple citizen living in a city, can in 2 months , put down heavy helicopter gunship ??
Is any citizin in Ukraine have a Kalashnikov ??
If tomorrow Ukrainia send people over the Russia with Guns to fight against the gouvernement, do you think really ... Russia will let people moving ??
Russia just do repression as they can do it the best => weapons / force ... and kill the democratic way.
Russia since the start lie to all poeple openly, push propaganda all over ... What ... ? Russian mafia do not want to let the business ...
If Russian was so proud to put people more happy ... why coal mine was fully loaded with children ... Huh
Come back in 10 years later ... to see if really Crimea people will live better then now ... hoo and what about all the weapons sized by the russia ? Naval , weapons ect... ? Hoo is it a gift ?
Russia just wanted to protect their money and get the only naval point on this area ... how ? Not by making good trust ... just by poisonning the country with some solders.... armed.

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June 02, 2014, 06:57:13 PM
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What naval weapons? Russia return to Ukraine the ships that could go under their own steam - they are in Odessa.

As for weapons, you forget that not all Ukrainian army is fighting against its own people.

Now the interesting thing about that video is that they captured a few German and American-made units, M-16 in particular. One commentator says that this corresponds to the fact that during Maidan shooting there were shells from 5,56×45mm calibre, used by NATO.

“Dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what is easy and what is right.”
“We are only as strong as we are united, as weak as we are divided.”
“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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June 02, 2014, 06:58:57 PM
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The NATO support for Ukraine is continuing unabated, despite the carpet bombing campaign.

US to provide $18 million aid to Ukraine to 'boost security measures' - Pentagon official

http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_02/US-to-provide-18-million-aid-to-Ukraine-to-boost-security-measures-Pentagon-official-7438/
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June 02, 2014, 07:01:07 PM
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$18 million is so generous help, especially when a debt is twice higher than GDP. I remember when USA provided "$10000 aid" to moldavia once, that was incredibly generous too.
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June 02, 2014, 07:07:09 PM
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Also I would love to see the opinion of another polish official , like Jarosław Kaczyński who lost his brother in a mysterious accident a few years ago Smolensk , which was "obviously" not the fault of... anybody.

Yes and how russian managed this accident, does it need to be recalled that all body parts was mixed in coffin when they get shipped back to Poland ?
Why the first plane landed correctly with all the press team ?
Why Russian keep all evidences from the plane and not sent to poland yet ?

Smolensk ... the place where thousands polish officers were killed by .... ? Russian ... they took big time to try to erase this big lie... they claims since the start nazis killed them ... but russian army killed them.

And now Russia claims that the plague is back on Ukraina and of course the army is behind ... what will be the next lie ?


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June 02, 2014, 07:09:30 PM
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What naval weapons? Russia return to Ukraine the ships that could go under their own steam - they are in Odessa.

As for weapons, you forget that not all Ukrainian army is fighting against its own people.

Now the interesting thing about that video is that they captured a few German and American-made units, M-16 in particular. One commentator says that this corresponds to the fact that during Maidan shooting there were shells from 5,56×45mm calibre, used by NATO.

1 only ??
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June 02, 2014, 07:09:34 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLVsP4M6ITU&list=PLmyeYXPoJZYpoojX_GF19WF7BJ2IdAgED

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June 02, 2014, 07:12:33 PM
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Ukrainian army shells Semyonovka village near Slavyansk leaving it without electricity.

http://en.itar-tass.com/world/734418

The village is located on the outskirts of Slavyansk.
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June 02, 2014, 10:30:30 PM
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And now Russia claims that the plague is back on Ukraina and of course the army is behind ... what will be the next lie ?

This sentence identifies you as a troll. Welcome to the company of Pagan. Smiley



A humoristic mute cartoon about how badly Ukraine wants to get into EU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOPbUoZwoEM



A small footnote on RT and the annals of history:

14:24
Ukraine’s electoral body officially declares Poroshenko president

Ukraine’s Central Electoral Commission published official results of the May-25 presidential election on Monday. The winner – Petro Poroshenko – gained 54.70 percent of the vote. Yulia Tymoshenko, who came second, got 12.81 percent. The turnout was 51.7 percent. The inauguration of the new head of state is expected to take place on June 7.



Biaden will head the US delegation to Poroshenko's inauguration:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/06/140602_rn_poroshenko_biden.shtml



Russia's envoy to UN, Churkin, presented to the Security Council the project on resolution on the state of humanitarian affairs in Ukraine:
http://itar-tass.com/politika/1233883?utm_medium=rss20


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June 03, 2014, 05:01:43 AM
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The truth about Vostok....

Understanding the Mysterious Appearance of the Chechen ‘Vostok’ Battalion in Eastern Ukraine

http://www.jamestown.org/single/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=42447#.U41V7vmSw_s
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