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June 04, 2014, 08:13:00 PM
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because it seems Russia is not too eager to rejoin G7?
in Russia we call G7 as 'USA and their underlings', the humor is that 'six' means also 'underling' in Russian.

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June 04, 2014, 08:27:17 PM
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because it seems Russia is not too eager to rejoin G7?
in Russia we call G7 as 'USA and their underlings', the humor is that 'six' means also 'underling' in Russian.

The English "boot-licker" or "stooge" would be a closer translation of the jargon use the the word "six" ("shesterka"). The less pleasant translations would include use of the lower parts of human body anatomy.  Tongue

So, yeah, G1+6 Smiley

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June 04, 2014, 09:39:55 PM
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‘Russian troops in Ukraine? Got any proof?' Putin's best quotes from French media talk
http://rt.com/news/163676-putin-ukraine-french-us/

I am not going to quote all the quotes. I have only one word: Brilliant!

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June 04, 2014, 10:24:50 PM
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lol... here comes the truth about Kiev junta's new offensive... and that too from an American source.  Grin

Ukraine offensive stalled by insurgents, lack of ammunition

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/06/04/ukraine-offensive-stalled-by-insugents-lack-ammunition

Fox. They must have been given green light to publish it with such wording. I see two reasons:
1. The US is preparing to back-pedal on the Ukrainian involvement
2. (more likely) This should prepare the public for why US needs to spend more money on NATO and send money and weapons to Ukraine (to help poor, bullet-deprived National Guard)




Earth to nemo...what is happening to you?
If they don't post any news it's a conspiracy , if they post the fake news is paid propaganda , if they post the real news they must have a hidden agenda...

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June 05, 2014, 04:13:17 AM
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And here is where the IMF loan goes:

Who will benefit from the IMF's $17bn bailout of Ukraine? Not its people

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/who-will-benefit-from-imf-ukraine-bailout-not-its-people
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June 05, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
Last edit: June 05, 2014, 01:46:05 PM by Nemo1024
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Earth to nemo...what is happening to you?
If they don't post any news it's a conspiracy , if they post the fake news is paid propaganda , if they post the real news they must have a hidden agenda...

Sorry but you seems to go the path of 247crypto , If you know what I mean.

Call it paranoia. Everyone has it.
I just can't bring myself to believe that anything good will come from the Fox outlet. Guardian - yes, possibly; Fox - no.



And here is where the IMF loan goes:

Who will benefit from the IMF's $17bn bailout of Ukraine? Not its people

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/20/who-will-benefit-from-imf-ukraine-bailout-not-its-people

Austerity, here we come (and, of course, save the banks first). At least in Russia they revoke th licenses of the banks that are on a course to failure.
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IMF insists on dramatic measures in five main areas of the economy: a sharp currency devaluation, which will increase the cost of all imported goods, a government-funded bailout for domestic banks, government spending cuts, measures to regulate money laundering and a sharp increase in energy prices.

The latter are particularly ironic, since the widespread story in the west is that it is the Russian oil giant Gazprom that is threatening price hikes. The IMF calls for energy prices to be increased by between 240% and 425% over the next four years. No wonder Ukrainian prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk says he will be "the most unpopular prime minister in the history of my country".

Preserving the private-sector banks seems to take precedence over the stated objective of improving government finances. The state will be expected to recapitalise the failed private banks using public resources.



In the meantime, the bounty $500,000 on Oleg Carev's head promised by the National Guard, will be reduced by $20,000 each three days:
http://ria.ru/world/20140605/1010790353.html

Doublespeak alert! Charges against him are:
"Change of territorial integrity of the country by the means of its federalisation"

Federalisation was (and still is) the only way to somehow save territorial integrity of Ukraine.

Oleg Carev is currently in Crimea and intends to oppose the current powers in Kiev from exile.



Switzerland freezing $1bn in assets of former Ukrainian and Egyptian presidents
http://rt.com/business/163776-switzerland-freezes-ukraine-assets/

I wonder how long it will be before we read of Poroshenko's assets being frozen in the Swiss banks.

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June 05, 2014, 01:46:33 PM
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10:36
Russia’s ambassador returns to Kiev, plans to attend Poroshenko inauguration

Russia’s ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov will attend the inauguration of Petro Poroshenko as Ukrainian president, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin told ITAR-TASS on Thursday. It was decided that Zurabov will take part in the official ceremony of Ukraine’s presidential inauguration, which is due to be held on June 7. Zurabov will not participate in the reception after the ceremony, the news agency said. He is returning to Kiev to resume his work as ambassador after the Ukrainian presidential election.



09:54
Medvedev calls G7 support for Ukraine military operation ‘cynicism without limit’

Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev on Thursday accused the Group of Seven of backing Ukraine’s military operation in eastern parts of the country. “The so-called G7 even talks about the measured actions of the Ukrainian army against its own people,” Medvedev said at a meeting with ministers. “Cynicism knows no limit in this case.” In a communiqué released at a G7 summit in Brussels on Wednesday, world leaders encouraged Ukraine to “maintain a measured approach in pursuing operations to restore law and order,” AFP said. Medvedev also said that the Ukrainian authorities are speaking about “the absence of refugees” from their state. “It is a lie,” he said.

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June 05, 2014, 02:04:54 PM
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10:36
Russia’s ambassador returns to Kiev, plans to attend Poroshenko inauguration

Russia’s ambassador to Ukraine Mikhail Zurabov will attend the inauguration of Petro Poroshenko as Ukrainian president, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Grigory Karasin told ITAR-TASS on Thursday. It was decided that Zurabov will take part in the official ceremony of Ukraine’s presidential inauguration, which is due to be held on June 7. Zurabov will not participate in the reception after the ceremony, the news agency said. He is returning to Kiev to resume his work as ambassador after the Ukrainian presidential election.





As I said in the other thread , they've got what they wanted they are leaving the rest in the hands of the EU.
Feels like after ww2 Germany ...


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June 05, 2014, 02:23:04 PM
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We'll see about that... Wink

Also, you have to give Putin points for style: when asked what he thinks of the leaders of G7 dining at a table without the President of Russian Federation, he replied:

"I wish them bon appetit."

http://www.forbes.ru/news/259451-putin-pozhelal-uchastnikam-sammita-g7-priyatnogo-appetita
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Kiev sets aside $17.34 million for payment to those participating in the punitive operations in the South-East:
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/05/n_6209257.shtml


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June 05, 2014, 09:56:02 PM
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Ukraine partially closes the border with Russia at 7 checkpoints in Lugansk and 1 in Donetsk:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/06/140605_rn_russia_ukraine_border.shtml

And how are they going to enforce the rest of the stretch?  Roll Eyes



The leader of Ingushetia said that among the resistance fighters there are 20-25 Ingush volunteers, 4 of them are reportedly among the dead.
http://www.newsru.com/russia/05jun2014/ingush.html



Head of the electoral staff of Poroshenko was found murdered in Vinnitsk region
http://ria.ru/world/20140605/1010867710.html

Readers comment that the "winning" side started cleaning up those, who knows too much about rigging of the elections.

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June 06, 2014, 03:41:27 AM
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Ukraine partially closes the border with Russia at 7 checkpoints in Lugansk and 1 in Donetsk:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/rolling_news/2014/06/140605_rn_russia_ukraine_border.shtml

And how are they going to enforce the rest of the stretch?  Roll Eyes

Some of the checkpoints which they have mentioned here (Dolzhansky, Chervonopartizansk, Krasnaya Mogila.etc) are currently under the control of Lugansk People's Army.
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Poroshenko promises that peace and stability in Ukraine will be restored within 3 months of his inauguration. He promises wide-range amnesty during his inauguration in the 7th and a peaceful approach. He also promises decentralisation and that he conducts negotiations with EU, USA and Canada regarding development of such plan (interesting that he needs to consult with NATO first, and not with his people, also wonder if it'll be federalisation that Russia was suggesting all along)
http://ria.ru/world/20140606/1010903392.html



However, enough of the doublespeak.

While he was saying it, Pentagon sent military advisors to Ukraine (and we all know what military advisors do in proxy conflicts):
http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/06/06/n_6210817.shtml

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France will not bow down to the US.  Grin

France defends sale of Mistral assault ships to Russia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27729578

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French President Francois Hollande has come under sustained pressure from European allies over the Mistral-class helicopter carriers, which are set to be delivered to the Black Sea ports in Crimea, annexed by Russia in March.
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Congrats Ukraine, for reaching the new milestone!

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France will not bow down to the US.  Grin

France defends sale of Mistral assault ships to Russia

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27729578

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French President Francois Hollande has come under sustained pressure from European allies over the Mistral-class helicopter carriers, which are set to be delivered to the Black Sea ports in Crimea, annexed by Russia in March.

pb is US is threatening FR with that BNP scandal. such BS. they came after that bank only because we wouldnt back down regarding the mistral sales.
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pb is US is threatening FR with that BNP scandal. such BS. they came after that bank only because we wouldnt back down regarding the mistral sales.

France should stay strong and be its own master. No one should say that it to jump into an alliance with Russia if it defies a US(NATO) order. If France decides to not finish building those ships, it must be done on the premise of what is good for France, not on what is good for the US.



While in Ukraine...

East, west Ukraine at odds over country’s future – Gallup poll
http://rt.com/news/164076-ukraine-poll-east-west/

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“Only a slim majority of Ukrainians overall (51.2 percent) agree that the interim government in Kiev is the legitimate government of Ukraine. That figure rises only slightly to 53.5 percent when Crimeans are excluded from the results,” a poll issued by Gallup, an American research-based, global performance-management consulting company, finds.

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One of the questions in the poll, which was called ‘Favorability toward the United States’ Role in Crisis’, asked if the US has played a “mostly positive” role or a “mostly negative role” in the Ukrainian crisis. The results showed that 58.8 percent of residents in the west think that US interference with their country’ affairs is positive. However, southern and eastern Ukraine doesn’t trust ‘the US cookies’, with only 25.9 and 17.1 percent respectively showing support for Washington.

These are yet more maps that can be safely added to the collection in the "Two Ukraines" blog:
http://yablor.ru/blogs/dve-ukraini/3638493



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June 06, 2014, 12:46:03 PM
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^^^ The favorability ratings in the West and Center will change once the NATO soldiers establish their bases there and behave like the way they do in places like Japan and Germany.  Grin
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^^^ The favorability ratings in the West and Center will change once the NATO soldiers establish their bases there and behave like the way they do in places like Japan and Germany.  Grin

You are pro-east right? Or pro-Russian?

Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).

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Some people might dislike the possible establishments of the NATO soldiers, others don't as they are going to receive the safety they deserve (against Russia & the east..).

Safety they deserve, from the American soldiers? They will be better off with soldiers from Sudan or Saudi Arabia instead.  Grin

Forgot incidents such as these?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-21626049
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident
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Putin, Poroshenko meet on D-Day sidelines, call for end to E.Ukraine bloodshed
http://rt.com/news/164236-putin-poroshenko-ukraine-bloodshed/

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Both leaders “have spoken for a prompt end to bloodshed in southeast Ukraine as well as for an end to military actions from both sides – from the side of the Ukrainian armed forces and the supporters of federalization of Ukraine,” said Putin’s press secretary, Dmitry Peskov.

Putin and Poroshenko also agreed that there is “no alternative” to “peaceful political means” to resolve the conflict in Ukraine.

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“It is important to fight and fight again, and keep fighting, for only then can evil be kept at bay, though never quite eradicated.”
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