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Author Topic: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too  (Read 1600986 times)
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August 25, 2011, 03:52:12 PM
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Oh god, all this garbage about pool hopping is WHY i came to deepbit.
Slush's bulletproof Anti-Hopper Score system works great. But if my fucking miner goes down i loose out on More than just down time.

Not the case here at deepbit.


And the "please consider delaying stats" What The Fuck? Why? who the hell Wants to wait 120confirmations just to see Any of thier work actually be "legitamit"

I think the TOS route would be quiet effective.

I think their is nothing wrong with DeepBit, aside from all this annoying banter about Hoppers.

Also, Forwhatever it's worth, I've Never Noticed ANYTHING wrong on my end as a "legitamate" miner, So i believe all claims of "legitamate miners suffering" Is complete Bullshit getting spewed out of a hoppers mouth because he wants to Hop and Fuck Everyone Else over by hopping.

If you dont understand WHY hopping is bad, Then dont fucking do it.

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August 27, 2011, 11:20:33 AM
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Are you guys going to add SolidCoin support like BTCGuild?

http://sc.btcguild.com/


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August 27, 2011, 01:40:52 PM
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Are you guys going to add SolidCoin support like BTCGuild?

http://sc.btcguild.com/




So they dropped that I0 coin thingy?

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August 29, 2011, 03:07:25 AM
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Slush's bulletproof Anti-Hopper Score system works great.

"works great" if everyone's miners have an uptime of 99.99%.

But if my fucking miner goes down i loose out on More than just down time.

Coming back to previous paragraph: yes, Score System is made for people who either have mining rigs in datacenters, or take care of their "home-mining-rigs" as if they WERE servers in a datacenter. All the others who have the need to reboot, or even stop-start the mining processes for even just some minutes - get screwed and the score goes down the drain.
And i'm only considering hardware/software-related reboots, not the added % of Winblows crashes.

As much as PPS might be (is) flawed, this Score System is utter crap. But hey, to each his own. The more blind people around, the happier the one-eyed is.


Why the frell so many retards spell "ect" as an abbreviation of "Et Cetera"? "ETC", DAMMIT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera

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August 29, 2011, 03:12:00 AM
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And the "please consider delaying stats" What The Fuck? Why? who the hell Wants to wait 120confirmations just to see Any of thier work actually be "legitamit"

That's actually where i think that BTCGuild's model is close to perfect - instead of robbing you (oh, sorry, i mean "high fees"), their donation->immediate confirmation with no need for the 120 is really, really fair and more than adequate for everyone's needs. You want instant "legitimacy", donate 2.5%. It's not like it's a big value, like 10%.

Why the frell so many retards spell "ect" as an abbreviation of "Et Cetera"? "ETC", DAMMIT! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera

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August 29, 2011, 04:03:51 AM
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And the "please consider delaying stats" What The Fuck? Why? who the hell Wants to wait 120confirmations just to see Any of thier work actually be "legitamit"

That's actually where i think that BTCGuild's model is close to perfect - instead of robbing you (oh, sorry, i mean "high fees"), their donation->immediate confirmation with no need for the 120 is really, really fair and more than adequate for everyone's needs. You want instant "legitimacy", donate 2.5%. It's not like it's a big value, like 10%.


the 10% is if you use PPS method, prop fee is 3% which is .5% higher than BTCguilds donation requirement for what is standard on deepbit.  I used to mine on BTCguild but the constant problems of DDoS's, Server upgrade issues, etc have made it worth my while to come here and pay .5% more than i was at btcguild for MUCH better reliability.

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August 29, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
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Coming back to previous paragraph: yes, Score System is made for people who either have mining rigs in datacenters, or take care of their "home-mining-rigs" as if they WERE servers in a datacenter. All the others who have the need to reboot, or even stop-start the mining processes for even just some minutes - get screwed and the score goes down the drain.
And i'm only considering hardware/software-related reboots, not the added % of Winblows crashes.
I mine FAR less than 24/7 on Slush and have earned 107% of pure PPS with over 30k shares... so far to that theory.

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August 29, 2011, 12:56:57 PM
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I mine FAR less than 24/7 on Slush and have earned 107% of pure PPS with over 30k shares... so far to that theory.

latest luck was horrible, yet you claim 107% ...


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August 29, 2011, 01:37:48 PM
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I'm surely not going to post payout adresses + transactions now (screenshots I post would of course be called fake), if you don't believe me, read up a bit about pool hopping + slush's bad custom scoring algorithm.
It's also this low just because of the recent bad luck (or operator stealing, there's no way to tell - not that I think Slush would steal!) and was quite a bit higher before.

Anyways, with other scoring methods (like Meni's) you can hop in and out of a pool at will - after a certain amount of shares your payouts will very likely be at 100% expected value. The only problem is with estimating payouts and that this value most of the time won't hold - so people feel as if they are loosing money.

While payout estimates also drop in prop, in a geometrically scored pool they will decay faster (and build up faster...) giving the impression that you "loose BTC" when you stop mining.

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August 29, 2011, 06:14:21 PM
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Hey guys I have an important question I still haven't been able to figure out about deepbit. The stats are delayed by 1 hour and the rewards are updated every hour. Are the rewards that you see after the clock ticks over an hour for the immediately previous hour (block rewards not yet announced on the statistics page) or are they for the hour before the immediately previous hour (the most recent hour on the statistics page)?

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August 29, 2011, 06:54:18 PM
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Would be useless to delay stats if you would still get a live update on payouts, hm?

With 99% certainty also rewards are delayed by 1 hour.

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August 29, 2011, 06:58:26 PM
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Would be useless to delay stats if you would still get a live update on payouts, hm?

With 99% certainty also rewards are delayed by 1 hour.

Well, you wouldn't be able to know specifically how long each block took even if rewards were reported live (at the end of the hour). Plus, by the time you knew how much you had made the hour would be over so I don't see how that would help you.

EDIT: Maybe it would screw up the consistency of reporting in a way that could be exploited I don't know.

EDITEDIT: I just watched the numbers tick over on my deepbit account and it appears that you are right. The rewards are delayed by 1hr just like the block announcements.

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August 30, 2011, 01:42:08 AM
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so sorry bit of a noob question! What does resting the counters do for me?
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August 30, 2011, 01:56:57 AM
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I just noticed it took 45 seconds after the long poll/end of work to get new work on my miners. Also noticed my payouts are less; especially for really short blocks (got my first zero payout ever at 5.5 Ghash/s).

My net connection is good.

Anyone know what is going on?

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August 30, 2011, 02:00:25 AM
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so sorry bit of a noob question! What does resting the counters do for me?

gives them a breather from all the hard work...
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August 30, 2011, 02:03:11 AM
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thanks
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August 30, 2011, 02:09:48 AM
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thanks

You do know I was joking, right?
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August 30, 2011, 02:40:38 AM
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thanks [for the chuckle!]

You do know I was joking, right?

Fixed it. Wink

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August 30, 2011, 03:05:21 AM
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Ahaha.
It's the same thing as pushing the reset button on your cars odometer.

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August 30, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
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What's up with the new difficulty being reported as 1777774 on deepbit but 1779164 everywhere else?

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