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March 14, 2012, 03:58:36 AM
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Eh? No, DeepBit still uses something like bitcoind to put a new address in each new block.

DeepBit: you considered changing that after the last few pool hacks that have occurred elsewhere?
i.e. your mining bitcoinds (or equivalent) can have a wallet with no value if you change it to accept your own fixed address to payout to that's not in that wallet.
... of course this requires the payout code to also be somewhere else ... which should be ... well ... more secure than if it isn't already :)
Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean :)
Only a small amount is stored online for payments, the rest is in our cold storage.

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March 14, 2012, 04:35:54 AM
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Eh? No, DeepBit still uses something like bitcoind to put a new address in each new block.

DeepBit: you considered changing that after the last few pool hacks that have occurred elsewhere?
i.e. your mining bitcoinds (or equivalent) can have a wallet with no value if you change it to accept your own fixed address to payout to that's not in that wallet.
... of course this requires the payout code to also be somewhere else ... which should be ... well ... more secure than if it isn't already Smiley
Sorry, I don't understand what do you mean Smiley
Only a small amount is stored online for payments, the rest is in our cold storage.
I'm obviously talking stuff you clearly already know but I'll word it this way to explain what I mean:

At the moment you must be using bitcoind (or a similar program) to generate the getwork answers.
(I'll just assume it is bitcoind, but it could be another program that does the same work required to create a getwork)
When someone requests a getwork, somewhere at the end of the request chain bitcoind replies with the header and the midstate with a payment address that is unused.
When someone sends back a proof of work >= block difficulty, that will of course be to that same payment address, then the next available payment address will be used for all subsequent getwork requests ... until the next block etc.
Thus the bitcoind that is providing the getworks also contains the wallet with the addresses that all the blocks are paid into (and waiting to mature for the next 100 blocks)

If you modify bitcoind to accept an address to pay the blocks into rather then using it's wallet to supply addresses, then the bitcoind does not actually contain any wallet addresses with value and that payment address could be in a wallet anywhere you like
Thus if anyone hacks into the server (or has admin access to it like Linode allowed to happen to slush) they cannot steal much since they firstly will need to restart bitcoind with a new address - which would be rather obvious when it happens - and only any blocks generated after that with the wrong address would be lost - and it's not too hard to see that the address has changed and thus the server has been hacked into and needs something done about it.

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March 14, 2012, 05:56:30 AM
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Statistics don't seem to be updating o.o

Code:
171081 2012-03-14 05:23:03 00000000000002a74060d0dd7f97a6484ac047b0d39c33dc7fe86caee73a8e0d
171079 2012-03-14 04:49:00 000000000000022c9ddc7ade486b22dcf5673c0083d4f89333d30e09bacf147b
171077 2012-03-14 03:45:46 000000000000060baca81bb980618d3def95edfe3b7c70dfa4b9c6a85631d8df
171066 2012-03-14 02:01:29 0000000000000a2b80893930de6f5eddb3fc59a767363963a76b2018cb2a38de
171061 2012-03-14 01:12:17 000000000000040da70c1ac9e7b2fc4e97ab72fa8bd266ba35ecec00e2dd6b49

and from deepbit

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Time/Link Found in Your Total Reward
13.03 20:12:58 0h 06m 177 361842   0.02372444

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March 14, 2012, 05:59:09 AM
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Statistics don't seem to be updating o.o

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171081 2012-03-14 05:23:03 00000000000002a74060d0dd7f97a6484ac047b0d39c33dc7fe86caee73a8e0d
171079 2012-03-14 04:49:00 000000000000022c9ddc7ade486b22dcf5673c0083d4f89333d30e09bacf147b
171077 2012-03-14 03:45:46 000000000000060baca81bb980618d3def95edfe3b7c70dfa4b9c6a85631d8df
171066 2012-03-14 02:01:29 0000000000000a2b80893930de6f5eddb3fc59a767363963a76b2018cb2a38de
171061 2012-03-14 01:12:17 000000000000040da70c1ac9e7b2fc4e97ab72fa8bd266ba35ecec00e2dd6b49
Your source is incorrect. Statistics are updated properly.

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March 14, 2012, 10:59:19 PM
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The block stats show "Average in last 24 hours: 2133680 (+42.5%)" which means terrible luck I think?
According to my rewards I think that makes sense. However I've never seen so many long polls showing up in cgminer today. >.> What's up with that?
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March 14, 2012, 11:55:59 PM
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The block stats show "Average in last 24 hours: 2133680 (+42.5%)" which means terrible luck I think?
According to my rewards I think that makes sense. However I've never seen so many long polls showing up in cgminer today. >.> What's up with that?


Longpolls mean a new block is starting, but doesn't mean that deepbit found the block.
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March 15, 2012, 02:16:37 AM
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A new block on the entire bitcoin network?
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March 15, 2012, 03:06:22 AM
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A new block on the entire bitcoin network?
Yes.

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March 15, 2012, 04:03:55 AM
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A new blog on the entire bitcoin network?


Add this to your favorites

http://blockchain.info/
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March 15, 2012, 04:06:43 AM
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A new blog on the entire bitcoin network?
Add this to your favorites
http://blockchain.info/
As I said earlier, this site is not 100% accurate, use http://blockorigin.pfoe.be/

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March 15, 2012, 04:18:02 PM
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Server maintenance in progress, some interruptions are possible.

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March 15, 2012, 05:47:45 PM
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3 hour 20 minute block last night. Holy jebus.
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March 15, 2012, 06:04:55 PM
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3 hour 20 minute block last night. Holy jebus.
Yesterday AND today we had 1-hour periods without any blocks in the entire network, not only in our pool. So yes, bad luck happens with anyone.

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March 15, 2012, 08:28:35 PM
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I'm testing P2SH implementation, so small part of our blocks may be marked as /P2SH/, don't worry.

So is P2SH fully implemented or are you still in the testing phase?
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March 15, 2012, 08:36:23 PM
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I'm testing P2SH implementation, so small part of our blocks may be marked as /P2SH/, don't worry.
So is P2SH fully implemented or are you still in the testing phase?
Well, I tried to delay it as much as possible but this is not productive already, so I'll give up.
Currently P2SH is deployed and expected network switch date is 01.04.2012 unless something happens. Sorry for that.

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March 15, 2012, 08:41:21 PM
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I'm testing P2SH implementation, so small part of our blocks may be marked as /P2SH/, don't worry.
So is P2SH fully implemented or are you still in the testing phase?
Well, I tried to delay it as much as possible but this is not productive already, so I'll give up.
Currently P2SH is deployed and expected network switch date is 01.04.2012 unless something happens. Sorry for that.

No need to apologize.  Who knows, maybe this will actually be the greatest thing since sliced bread?

I just can't see making a major and permanent change for a temporary and, sometime in the future, self obsolescent vulnerability.

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March 18, 2012, 02:29:25 AM
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Is it common for someone to not receive a reward payment immediately?

I have a reward payment of 1.12 BTC that was supposedly sent to me from Deepbit a few hours ago.  This transaction is showing in my list of "rewards" on Deepbit, but it has yet to hit my wallet and is not yet showing in Blockexplorer.

I've never run into this before, so I'm just a bit curious, although I would assume the payment will eventually go through.

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March 18, 2012, 04:35:05 AM
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I have a reward payment of 1.12 BTC that was supposedly sent to me from Deepbit a few hours ago.  This transaction is showing in my list of "rewards" on Deepbit, but it has yet to hit my wallet and is not yet showing in Blockexplorer.

I've never run into this before, so I'm just a bit curious, although I would assume the payment will eventually go through.
This situation is explained on the help page shown after each payment request.
Blockexplorer can only show your transaction after it gets the first confirmation. You may try to find it here: http://bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin/txlist/
It's the queue of unconfirmed TXes.

Time to get the first confirmation depends on interval between blocks and some other things, usually it should be around 10 minutes but in the worst case delays up to a few hours are possible. If you see the record in your payments list it will surely be confirmed.

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March 20, 2012, 04:33:21 AM
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19.03 22:18:40   3h 53m    966   1584231     0.02957334
19.03 21:50:28   3h 24m    350   582220     0.02915565
19.03 21:39:36   3h 14m    239   384413     0.03015377
19.03 21:29:55   3h 04m    59   93375     0.03064525
19.03 21:28:24   3h 02m    1244   2004247     0.03010308
19.03 20:49:40   2h 24m    731   1259703     0.02814433
19.03 20:25:33   1h 59m    330   500802     0.03195874
19.03 20:16:17   1h 50m    431   698913     0.02990859
19.03 20:02:52   1h 37m    2641   4351399     0.02943617

there seems to be a problem o.o look at the times Cheesy

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March 20, 2012, 02:53:57 PM
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19.03 22:18:40   3h 53m    966   1584231     0.02957334
19.03 21:50:28   3h 24m    350   582220     0.02915565
19.03 21:39:36   3h 14m    239   384413     0.03015377
19.03 21:29:55   3h 04m    59   93375     0.03064525
19.03 21:28:24   3h 02m    1244   2004247     0.03010308
19.03 20:49:40   2h 24m    731   1259703     0.02814433
19.03 20:25:33   1h 59m    330   500802     0.03195874
19.03 20:16:17   1h 50m    431   698913     0.02990859
19.03 20:02:52   1h 37m    2641   4351399     0.02943617

there seems to be a problem o.o look at the times Cheesy

No, Im seeing weird times as well



Block   Shares   
Time/Link   Found in   Your   Total   Reward
20.03 12:47:37   2h 59m    217   478603     0.02199004
20.03 12:38:44   2h 50m    953   1880610     0.02457740
20.03 12:02:41   2h 14m    93   139456     0.03234353
20.03 12:00:18   2h 11m    394   679727     0.02811276
20.03 11:47:44   1h 59m    1356   2550346     0.02578709
20.03 10:56:15   1h 08m    1650   2997624     0.02669614
20.03 09:54:17   0h 05m    83   121767     0.03305904
20.03 09:47:53   0h 06m    172   313507     0.02660866
20.03 09:41:10   0h 01m    52   82425     0.03059751
20.03 09:39:25   0h 01m    24   47570     0.02446920

Weird stuff I've saw the last few days

3 hour rounds with less than half a million shares ?



20.03 02:20:01   0h 01m    31   64879     0.02317391
20.03 02:18:40   3h 53m    852   1584231     0.02608332
20.03 01:50:28   3h 24m    315   582220     0.02624008
20.03 01:39:36   3h 14m    207   384413     0.02611644
20.03 01:29:55   3h 04m    59   93375     0.03064525
20.03 01:28:24   3h 02m    1022   2004247     0.02473098
20.03 00:49:40   2h 24m    648   1259703     0.02494874
20.03 00:25:33   1h 59m    268   500802     0.02595437
20.03 00:16:17   1h 50m    397   698913     0.02754921
20.03 00:02:52   1h 37m    2272   4351399     0.02532335
19.03 22:35:16   0h 09m    90   162900     0.02679558


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