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[iglasses]

bitmaintech is a scam do not buy
no costumer service
1 month to get a miner, 48 hours my ass
hope you dont get a bad miner good luck getting it fixed.
I thank sushi is on drugs and cant do his job

bitmaintech and sushi are two different sites.

bitmaintech is not a scam

[Easy2Mine]

bitmaintech is a scam do not buy
no costumer service
1 month to get a miner, 48 hours my ass
hope you dont get a bad miner good luck getting it fixed.
I thank sushi is on drugs and cant do his job

Competitors getting nervous?

Hey FastShit Community Liaison is this one of your new spam account?

[aztecminer]

for new in antiminer S1.
if you need PSU, don't look Watt only.
please check Ampere in 12V.
Minimum requirement Ampere in 12 V is 30 A

This is a good point.  I recommend Corsair power supplies - at least 750 watt models or higher.  The CX750M is a modular design so you'll have less cable clutter and it supplies 46 Amps on the +12V rail.  Whichever power supply you're using, look at the +12V DC Output amperage and ensure that it's greater than 30 Amps.

Even something like this will work but I like the CX750 better

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028

that is an 80+ bronze. is not a good recomendation for psu because of it's effiency of 80% .. can do better and buy 92% effiecient psu's like rm1000 can host two oced ants.. i saw someone post an 80+ bronnze psu was pulling 400 watts per non oced ant . should choose 92% efficient psu to mine with imo . choice of psu is most important for longterm mining considerations.

agreed

Have you guys looked at what the actual power savings are in comparison to the added cost of a >bronze supply?  For almost every attempt I've made to justify higher efficiency supplies the savings just never make it worth while.

well lets see if i can calculate non-oced ants.. the difference is about 50 watts per ant between 80% efficiency (aprx 400 watts) from 92% efficiency (aprx 350 watts) from earlier screenshot of an 80% efficient psu in this thread:

(second post down screenshot 80% bronze psu ants running @400 watts each) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417159.2460

two ants per psu equals around 100 watts saved. that is about $10 - $12 per month per every two ants @.10kw ?? cx750 psu @$90.00 per ant (newegg) initial cost while rm1000 is @$100 per ant initial (newegg). in addition can oc two ants on rm1000 .

Well you convinced me. I live in a high power cost region (Con Ed charges 0.10c/kw for supply and 0.10c/kw for delivery), so just ordered a Corsair RM1000.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139057

Side note. I run 2 OC-ed Ants on Corsair AX1200. Do you think it can take a third (maybe non OC-ed) or not advisable

i ran some tests on a ax1200i platinum psu i had and i ended up putting that psu into my sons new uber pc i built him.. it will work well to power his video cards .. after all my testing i now only use rm1000's for mining. however you could run two non-oced ants ( i have not tested two oced ants on them yet ) on an rm850 although u might have to find an additional pci-e cable for it since it ships with only three.. i have so many psu's now that i have plenty of pci-e cables to go around. to answer your question i am not sure. how much power are the two oced ants pulling through the ax1200 ?? you can test it. i think ax1200 will shut down if it draws too much. i popped another brand psu one time drawing to much power from it . you will understand why i used the term 'popped' when/if it ever happens lol.

[aztecminer]

for new in antiminer S1.
if you need PSU, don't look Watt only.
please check Ampere in 12V.
Minimum requirement Ampere in 12 V is 30 A

This is a good point.  I recommend Corsair power supplies - at least 750 watt models or higher.  The CX750M is a modular design so you'll have less cable clutter and it supplies 46 Amps on the +12V rail.  Whichever power supply you're using, look at the +12V DC Output amperage and ensure that it's greater than 30 Amps.

Even something like this will work but I like the CX750 better

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028

that is an 80+ bronze. is not a good recomendation for psu because of it's effiency of 80% .. can do better and buy 92% effiecient psu's like rm1000 can host two oced ants.. i saw someone post an 80+ bronnze psu was pulling 400 watts per non oced ant . should choose 92% efficient psu to mine with imo . choice of psu is most important for longterm mining considerations.

agreed

Have you guys looked at what the actual power savings are in comparison to the added cost of a >bronze supply?  For almost every attempt I've made to justify higher efficiency supplies the savings just never make it worth while.

well lets see if i can calculate non-oced ants.. the difference is about 50 watts per ant between 80% efficiency (aprx 400 watts) from 92% efficiency (aprx 350 watts) from earlier screenshot of an 80% efficient psu in this thread:

(second post down screenshot 80% bronze psu ants running @400 watts each) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417159.2460

two ants per psu equals around 100 watts saved. that is about $10 - $12 per month per every two ants @.10kw ?? cx750 psu @$90.00 per ant (newegg) initial cost while rm1000 is @$100 per ant initial (newegg). in addition can oc two ants on rm1000 .

Except that the minimum for 80+ Bronze is 85% at 50% load, not 80%. That Bronze rated Corsair CX600 has been tested to run 350-400W at a bit over 87% efficiency, so for ~370W DC draw (what mine run at when set to 400MHz), that's 425W AC for the CX600@87% and 407W AC per Ant for the RM1000@91%. That's a savings of 18W per unit, or 36W together. For me at ~$0.15/kWh, or a savings of a little under $4 per month for two Ants.

I'd probably still go with the RM1000 just because it looks like a really nice supply and it's not group regulated, but it's a long payoff for that vs two CX600's if the price difference is $100.

rm1000 will be better psu in long term for future miners or will be better suited for use in a pc. you could sell them easier i think if you had to sell some of your psu's. i think rm1000 is the best choice for miner psu.

[S4VV4S]

bitmaintech is a scam do not buy
no costumer service
1 month to get a miner, 48 hours my ass
hope you dont get a bad miner good luck getting it fixed.
I thank sushi is on drugs and cant do his job

bitmaintech and sushi are two different sites.

bitmaintech is not a scam

Bitmain is the most straightforward Asic Miner manufacturer there is.
THEY ALWAYS DELIVER!!!

And best part is: NO PRE-ORDERS.

Whoever calls Bitmain a scammer I call them a bullshitter.

I have ordered quite a few miners from Bitmain and ALL of them arrived in excellent condition so far.

[sbfree]

bitmaintech is a scam do not buy
no costumer service
1 month to get a miner, 48 hours my ass
hope you dont get a bad miner good luck getting it fixed.
I thank sushi is on drugs and cant do his job

bitmaintech and sushi are two different sites.

bitmaintech is not a scam

Bitmain is the most straightforward Asic Miner manufacturer there is.
THEY ALWAYS DELIVER!!!

And best part is: NO PRE-ORDERS.

Whoever calls Bitmain a scammer I call them a bullshitter.

I have ordered quite a few miners from Bitmain and ALL of them arrived in excellent condition so far.

Bitmain is one of the best, and still improving. I have purchased well over 30 units from different orders, and they all got here. Yes, slight kinks here or there, but nothing major, and no complaints on my part.
Bitmaintech, bring on the S2, we're ready!!

[grizlyadams74]

i have 3 and want more
they shafted me real good
and cant do business with them till they make it wright.

[dropt]

rm1000 will be better psu in long term for future miners or will be better suited for use in a pc. you could sell them easier i think if you had to sell some of your psu's. i think rm1000 is the best choice for miner psu.

The RM1000 is overkill for 90% of the standard PC builds out there, not to mention the efficiency drops like a rock the higher you go.

There are other reasons why one might not consider the RM1000 to be ideal as well, but I agree that it seems to be a good unit (and I like the rounded corners).

On another note, for those of you running the RM1000 with overclocked ants, how warm do the wires/connectors get at the PSU end?  I have 2 on an XFX Pro1000 Platinum and the connectors are noticeably warm to the touch.  They aren't even overclocked.

[grizlyadams74]

How long does it take for them to actually ship from china ??
I ordered mine yesterday when will they have shipped it ??
Thanks,
JT

I ordered 2 on Monday and 1 yesterday morning. They are both shipped and enroute via UPS. Delivery to NY by Friday.

1 i ordered took a month to get no refund on the price drop

[aztecminer]

rm1000 will be better psu in long term for future miners or will be better suited for use in a pc. you could sell them easier i think if you had to sell some of your psu's. i think rm1000 is the best choice for miner psu.

The RM1000 is overkill for 90% of the standard PC builds out there, not to mention the efficiency drops like a rock the higher you go.

There are other reasons why one might not consider the RM1000 to be ideal as well, but I agree that it seems to be a good unit (and I like the rounded corners).

On another note, for those of you running the RM1000 with overclocked ants, how warm do the wires/connectors get at the PSU end?  I have 2 on an XFX Pro1000 Platinum and the connectors are noticeably warm to the touch.  They aren't even overclocked.

i am using ONE pci-e cable per antminer and they are not warm at all, however my ants colony is in a 60 degree datacenter as well. with all power supplies there is a sweet spot which is about 3/4ths of the power rating which means two ants oced go well on an rm1000 and two non-oced ants go well on an rm850. once you push to the maximum on a psu then drops to about 80% efficiency. my pc builds are pretty much complete total overkill. i only put 1200 watt psu's into my pcs unless i know it is only going to run one video card then i will put in an 850 watt. we should be aiming for that 3/4ths power sweet spot on a psu.

[minternj]

How long does it take for them to actually ship from china ??
I ordered mine yesterday when will they have shipped it ??
Thanks,
JT

I ordered 2 on Monday and 1 yesterday morning. They are both shipped and enroute via UPS. Delivery to NY by Friday.

1 i ordered took a month to get no refund on the price drop

You would earn a lot more support if you posted screenshots of your late order and shipping info.

[MrTeal]

Except that the minimum for 80+ Bronze is 85% at 50% load, not 80%. That Bronze rated Corsair CX600 has been tested to run 350-400W at a bit over 87% efficiency, so for ~370W DC draw (what mine run at when set to 400MHz), that's 425W AC for the CX600@87% and 407W AC per Ant for the RM1000@91%. That's a savings of 18W per unit, or 36W together. For me at ~$0.15/kWh, or a savings of a little under $4 per month for two Ants.

I'd probably still go with the RM1000 just because it looks like a really nice supply and it's not group regulated, but it's a long payoff for that vs two CX600's if the price difference is $100.

rm1000 will be better psu in long term for future miners or will be better suited for use in a pc. you could sell them easier i think if you had to sell some of your psu's. i think rm1000 is the best choice for miner psu.

I never said is wasn't, I just disputed how you went about that. I just have a bit of a pet peeve with people using math to justify the wrong conclusions, and your numbers were wrong since you started with the extremely incorrect idea that the CX600 was 80% efficient. Almost nothing made these days is only 80% efficient from 50-80% load, unless you're talking about the generic grey ones that will come in a $40 case.

I'd disagree that selling the RM1000 for close to full price ($200) would be easier, even to other miners. The number of PC users who are running three GTX780s and an OC'd processor and actually need 1000W is vanishingly small. Getting $50 for a CX600 is likely going to be a lot easier.
The biggest benefit to a single larger PSU is that they tend to be a single massive 12V rail with the minor rails run off that using DC/DC. Some of the smaller ones like the CX600 are group regulated, so they can have issues with crossloads like miners put on them. They're also more flexible; the CX600 could easily become limiting if you want to move up and now power a board that draws 700W. That, and it only uses one plug and the footprint is smaller, so you use less rack space.

Regardless, from strictly business point of view, it's going to take a long time to make up the extra you pay moving from something like a CX600 to an RM1000 based solely on power costs. The gap from silver to gold or gold to platinum is ever more unjustifiable.

[aztecminer]

Except that the minimum for 80+ Bronze is 85% at 50% load, not 80%. That Bronze rated Corsair CX600 has been tested to run 350-400W at a bit over 87% efficiency, so for ~370W DC draw (what mine run at when set to 400MHz), that's 425W AC for the CX600@87% and 407W AC per Ant for the RM1000@91%. That's a savings of 18W per unit, or 36W together. For me at ~$0.15/kWh, or a savings of a little under $4 per month for two Ants.

I'd probably still go with the RM1000 just because it looks like a really nice supply and it's not group regulated, but it's a long payoff for that vs two CX600's if the price difference is $100.

rm1000 will be better psu in long term for future miners or will be better suited for use in a pc. you could sell them easier i think if you had to sell some of your psu's. i think rm1000 is the best choice for miner psu.

I never said is wasn't, I just disputed how you went about that. I just have a bit of a pet peeve with people using math to justify the wrong conclusions, and your numbers were wrong since you started with the extremely incorrect idea that the CX600 was 80% efficient. Almost nothing made these days is only 80% efficient from 50-80% load, unless you're talking about the generic grey ones that will come in a $40 case.

I'd disagree that selling the RM1000 for close to full price ($200) would be easier, even to other miners. The number of PC users who are running three GTX780s and an OC'd processor and actually need 1000W is vanishingly small. Getting $50 for a CX600 is likely going to be a lot easier.
The biggest benefit to a single larger PSU is that they tend to be a single massive 12V rail with the minor rails run off that using DC/DC. Some of the smaller ones like the CX600 are group regulated, so they can have issues with crossloads like miners put on them. They're also more flexible; the CX600 could easily become limiting if you want to move up and now power a board that draws 700W. That, and it only uses one plug and the footprint is smaller, so you use less rack space.

Regardless, from strictly business point of view, it's going to take a long time to make up the extra you pay moving from something like a CX600 to an RM1000 based solely on power costs. The gap from silver to gold or gold to platinum is ever more unjustifiable.

sorry i did not mean to turn this into some all out argument over psu's.. buy whatever psu. the math was top of head stab at it. u can go read again do ur own math. i have a few other tricks to decrease heat and increase efficiency we can argue about sometime if u want ?? personally i think need to eat the cost of psu's instead of calculating it into roi.

[mdude77]

Watching.

M

[solitude]

Is the S2 really going to be any more profitable than an S1 purchased today?

It might have double or tripple the hashrate, but it will probably have double or triple the price.

[s1lverbox]

bitmaintech is a scam do not buy
no costumer service
1 month to get a miner, 48 hours my ass
hope you dont get a bad miner good luck getting it fixed.
I thank sushi is on drugs and cant do his job

Really? I purchased on 3 different ocasion from bitmain and once from sushi and never had problem.
So once again--REALY???

[flounderella]

Except that the minimum for 80+ Bronze is 85% at 50% load, not 80%. That Bronze rated Corsair CX600 has been tested to run 350-400W at a bit over 87% efficiency, so for ~370W DC draw (what mine run at when set to 400MHz), that's 425W AC for the CX600@87% and 407W AC per Ant for the RM1000@91%. That's a savings of 18W per unit, or 36W together. For me at ~$0.15/kWh, or a savings of a little under $4 per month for two Ants.

I'd probably still go with the RM1000 just because it looks like a really nice supply and it's not group regulated, but it's a long payoff for that vs two CX600's if the price difference is $100.

rm1000 will be better psu in long term for future miners or will be better suited for use in a pc. you could sell them easier i think if you had to sell some of your psu's. i think rm1000 is the best choice for miner psu.

I never said is wasn't, I just disputed how you went about that. I just have a bit of a pet peeve with people using math to justify the wrong conclusions, and your numbers were wrong since you started with the extremely incorrect idea that the CX600 was 80% efficient. Almost nothing made these days is only 80% efficient from 50-80% load, unless you're talking about the generic grey ones that will come in a $40 case.

I'd disagree that selling the RM1000 for close to full price ($200) would be easier, even to other miners. The number of PC users who are running three GTX780s and an OC'd processor and actually need 1000W is vanishingly small. Getting $50 for a CX600 is likely going to be a lot easier.
The biggest benefit to a single larger PSU is that they tend to be a single massive 12V rail with the minor rails run off that using DC/DC. Some of the smaller ones like the CX600 are group regulated, so they can have issues with crossloads like miners put on them. They're also more flexible; the CX600 could easily become limiting if you want to move up and now power a board that draws 700W. That, and it only uses one plug and the footprint is smaller, so you use less rack space.

Regardless, from strictly business point of view, it's going to take a long time to make up the extra you pay moving from something like a CX600 to an RM1000 based solely on power costs. The gap from silver to gold or gold to platinum is ever more unjustifiable.

sorry i did not mean to turn this into some all out argument over psu's.. buy whatever psu. the math was top of head stab at it. u can go read again do ur own math. i have a few other tricks to decrease heat and increase efficiency we can argue about sometime if u want ?? personally i think need to eat the cost of psu's instead of calculating it into roi.

No no, I think it was a good discussion and I for one feel more informed now after following this , so thanks everyone

[bitcoin_miner]

bitmaintech is a scam do not buy
no costumer service
1 month to get a miner, 48 hours my ass
hope you dont get a bad miner good luck getting it fixed.
I thank sushi is on drugs and cant do his job

Really? I purchased on 3 different ocasion from bitmain and once from sushi and never had problem.
So once again--REALY???

I purchased at previous month, delivery on time..
now I use antminer S1 in my home

[Tikii]

I Ordered on March 10 Bitmain shipped on time now i just have to wait for them to get here.

[joshv06]

Bitmain, I PM'd you about a bulk order.