[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[oaxaca]

Windows 10 released today...I'm going to test V12 on the public release. It was working well on the insider preview. Anyone else install it yet?

I'm gonna wait for a few days to weeks - lol


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So far, so good...The Edge browser is way better than IE, but I still won't use it probably. Dash wallet is still mixing away, no problem yet.

Why would you go anywhere near Windows 10?  Your computer needs an operating system, fine I get that.  Just use *nix.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/29/windows_10_sysadmin_says_average_joe_will_be_happy/

"Microsoft's spying on you is pretty awful. Windows 10 calls home with essentially every last thing you do and search for by default. Finding and disarming all the different ways Microsoft spies on you is difficult at best, and a futile game of whack-a-mole at worst."

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[sangoku]

ShadowCash is the one coin to rule them all!!

Ah ah ah ah ah ah, it's a joke ?
The shadowcash wallet is very very slow, not stable, crash for nothing.

Thats because it's not dummy proof.

Shadowcash, seriously

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/shadowcoin/#charts

Volume (24h)   10 BTC...

And the best instamine, oups premined... 6 485 253 in one time !!!

[TanteStefana2]

Windows 10 released today...I'm going to test V12 on the public release. It was working well on the insider preview. Anyone else install it yet?

I so don't trust microsoft, I'm going to wait a few months first, let everyone ask the questions and get answers then I'll be able to find help when I need it and not have to join a forum or wait for an answer ;P  LOL

[iCEBREAKER]

This is a professional project, led by an award-winning developer, and supported by an intelligent, hardworking community.

 The network presently is stronger than its ever been, growing continuously under your trolling efforts.

The market is flipping you the bird, and you just keep on posting your crap filled with delusions of grandeur. It's quite sad.

Anyway, you're not going to change, but unfortunately for you and your comrades, neither are we. Our focus on delivering an exceptional product has never been greater. The future is Dash! Have fun wasting your time...

That's a load of Happy Talk which does nothing about the forgotten goals of i2p integration and Masternode blinding.

Until you fix its "bad crypto" your network will never be strong.

[Sub-Ether]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg28917
'Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.'

~~Satoshi~~

[TanteStefana2]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1790.msg28917#msg28917
'Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately.  Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other.  BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
The networks need to have separate fates.  BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.'

~~Satoshi~~

Wow, he sure was right about the tyrannical attitude of Bitcoin users, LOL

[Macrochip]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

This just beautifully illustrates toknormal's point on how programmers aren't economists. In German there's a term for people who attempt to be experts beyond their own actual area of expertise and rightfully fail at such. It's "Fachidiot" and literally translates to "subject idiot", meaning you're so focussed on your own subject that you fail to apply it in a meaningful way beyond that scope unable to crossover to other fields.
Maxwell sure is a Fachidiot.

[Jacksp]

Monero, sdc, crave... all alts want kill dash, but they cant do it

Only DASH can kill DASH

haha
neither!
0.12 will be the next step, are you ready?

[oblox]

Why isn't there a proposal to create a $100,000 break 8 rounds of Dash anonymity bounty?

I would vote on something like that. An ongoing fund that continues to grow monthly $500+ until claimed after starting at $5-10k. Not sure anyone would vote to fund $100k off the bat when ~8000 Dash/mo would wipe out other feature-worthy proposals.

[TanteStefana2]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

This just beautifully illustrates toknormal's point on how programmers aren't economists. In German there's a term for people who attempt to be experts beyond their own actual area of expertise and rightfully fail at such. It's "Fachidiot" and literally translates to "subject idiot", meaning you're so focussed on your own subject that you fail to apply it in a meaningful way beyond that scope unable to crossover to other fields.
Maxwell sure is a Fachidiot.

That's really funny, I didn't know that one.  What's interesting with Evan is that he is not just a programmer (since age 15), but also a Financial analyzer, having created his own analysis of the stock market and selling his data through his website when he was still a kid.  But, although he always seems to be way ahead of everyone, he also asks for opinions, yet has a philosophy that he is following to solidify the foundation of Dash.  So he gathers everyone, listens to all opinions, and finds the right direction to go in.  I've been excited since day one, impressed since at least day 14, at least!

[TanteStefana2]

Why isn't there a proposal to create a $100,000 break 8 rounds of Dash anonymity bounty?

I would vote on something like that. An ongoing fund that continues to grow monthly $500+ until claimed after starting at $5-10k. Not sure anyone would vote to fund $100k off the bat when ~8000 Dash/mo would wipe out other feature-worthy proposals.

Yah, that would be fun, but then those coins would just sit there for ever and ever.  Granted, it would be better than them never having come into existence, but I want to see as many coins distributed as possible.  I'd rather they didn't just sit around but create liquidity

IMO, it's a good thing that it is getting harder and harder to create a masternode.  I think this because someone has to start spending their coins.  I'm spending my income every month to pay for bills, etc... and I don't feel bad about it, 'cause my little bit circulates around (and I need it, LOL)  Eventually we need to make this wonderful coin functional for the people for it's intended use.  As a currency.  Right now, the best we have is a border less money transfer service, but so does everyone else.  So we have a long way to go and a short time to get there! (smokey and the bandit song, LOL)

[oblox]

Why isn't there a proposal to create a $100,000 break 8 rounds of Dash anonymity bounty?

I would vote on something like that. An ongoing fund that continues to grow monthly $500+ until claimed after starting at $5-10k. Not sure anyone would vote to fund $100k off the bat when ~8000 Dash/mo would wipe out other feature-worthy proposals.

Yah, that would be fun, but then those coins would just sit there for ever and ever.  Granted, it would be better than them never having come into existence, but I want to see as many coins distributed as possible.  I'd rather they didn't just sit around but create liquidity

IMO, it's a good thing that it is getting harder and harder to create a masternode.  I think this because someone has to start spending their coins.  I'm spending my income every month to pay for bills, etc... and I don't feel bad about it, 'cause my little bit circulates around (and I need it, LOL)  Eventually we need to make this wonderful coin functional for the people for it's intended use.  As a currency.  Right now, the best we have is a border less money transfer service, but so does everyone else.  So we have a long way to go and a short time to get there! (smokey and the bandit song, LOL)

Have the funds sit as liquidity providers on the network to assist in DS while the bounty waits to be claimed. It doesn't help getting coins out there, but it helps fix the slowness of one of Dash's key features.

[blobafett2]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

This just beautifully illustrates toknormal's point on how programmers aren't economists. In German there's a term for people who attempt to be experts beyond their own actual area of expertise and rightfully fail at such. It's "Fachidiot" and literally translates to "subject idiot", meaning you're so focussed on your own subject that you fail to apply it in a meaningful way beyond that scope unable to crossover to other fields.
Maxwell sure is a Fachidiot.

shockingly bad to think these 2 are so clueless to argue and show a rift like that in public when they are on the same team, and scary to think decisions in a $4 billion project are influenced by a couple of coders with no clue how your average investor or finance person would run-a-mile reading that. We can only hope for Bitcoin that someone with some $ brings in some adult supervision ASAP and makes some actual decisions.  

Bring on projects with decentralized governance led by mature and professional developers who also understand how the commercial world works....

[coins101]

Why isn't there a proposal to create a $100,000 break 8 rounds of Dash anonymity bounty?

I would vote on something like that. An ongoing fund that continues to grow monthly $500+ until claimed after starting at $5-10k. Not sure anyone would vote to fund $100k off the bat when ~8000 Dash/mo would wipe out other feature-worthy proposals.

Yah, that would be fun, but then those coins would just sit there for ever and ever.  Granted, it would be better than them never having come into existence, but I want to see as many coins distributed as possible.  I'd rather they didn't just sit around but create liquidity

IMO, it's a good thing that it is getting harder and harder to create a masternode.  I think this because someone has to start spending their coins.  I'm spending my income every month to pay for bills, etc... and I don't feel bad about it, 'cause my little bit circulates around (and I need it, LOL)  Eventually we need to make this wonderful coin functional for the people for it's intended use.  As a currency.  Right now, the best we have is a border less money transfer service, but so does everyone else.  So we have a long way to go and a short time to get there! (smokey and the bandit song, LOL)

Have the funds sit as liquidity providers on the network to assist in DS while the bounty waits to be claimed. It doesn't help getting coins out there, but it helps fix the slowness of one of Dash's key features.

It would have to be a temporary situation until a defined bounty level was reached. $100k was off the top of my head. $20k could be enough. Once the level is reached, the funds would have to be transferred to BTC and held in escrow.

A pen tester / hacker would not want to be paid in Dash if they were successful as there would be price volatility risks.

There is no getting away from it. This proposition is a double edge sword.

edits

[TanteStefana2]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

This just beautifully illustrates toknormal's point on how programmers aren't economists. In German there's a term for people who attempt to be experts beyond their own actual area of expertise and rightfully fail at such. It's "Fachidiot" and literally translates to "subject idiot", meaning you're so focussed on your own subject that you fail to apply it in a meaningful way beyond that scope unable to crossover to other fields.
Maxwell sure is a Fachidiot.

shockingly bad to think these 2 are so clueless to argue and show a rift like that in public when they are on the same team, and scary to think decisions in a $4 billion project are influenced by a couple of coders with no clue how your average investor or finance person would run-a-mile reading that. We can only hope for Bitcoin that someone with some $ brings in some adult supervision ASAP and makes some actual decisions.  

Bring on projects with decentralized governance led by mature and professional developers who also understand how the commercial world works....

It's good that they are passionate, but yes, such arguments should be private, or at least then, semi private with the main players "board of directors" type of thing. If it had to then go to the general user base, it should be hashed out enough to state the two sides of the argument - professionally - and get consensus from the user base.  The thing is, none of those guys trust the user base.  So no wonder they don't seem to like the way we function here.  Not that I would always have open polls in the future, it's already become difficult to get input from non malevolent people, but Evan solicits ideas, and listens to everyone's input.  These guys are very head strong.  So sure what they say is right, and only interested in winning an argument, not exploring options.

[blobafett2]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

This just beautifully illustrates toknormal's point on how programmers aren't economists. In German there's a term for people who attempt to be experts beyond their own actual area of expertise and rightfully fail at such. It's "Fachidiot" and literally translates to "subject idiot", meaning you're so focussed on your own subject that you fail to apply it in a meaningful way beyond that scope unable to crossover to other fields.
Maxwell sure is a Fachidiot.

shockingly bad to think these 2 are so clueless to argue and show a rift like that in public when they are on the same team, and scary to think decisions in a $4 billion project are influenced by a couple of coders with no clue how your average investor or finance person would run-a-mile reading that. We can only hope for Bitcoin that someone with some $ brings in some adult supervision ASAP and makes some actual decisions.  

Bring on projects with decentralized governance led by mature and professional developers who also understand how the commercial world works....

It's good that they are passionate, but yes, such arguments should be private, or at least then, semi private with the main players "board of directors" type of thing. If it had to then go to the general user base, it should be hashed out enough to state the two sides of the argument - professionally - and get consensus from the user base.  The thing is, none of those guys trust the user base.  So no wonder they don't seem to like the way we function here.  Not that I would always have open polls in the future, it's already become difficult to get input from non malevolent people, but Evan solicits ideas, and listens to everyone's input.  These guys are very head strong.  So sure what they say is right, and only interested in winning an argument, not exploring options.

yes I agree Tante.   my first impression from reading their argument is like Bitcoin has been around for a few years and these guys have become settled and are just arguing like every backroom coder in any corporation trying to 'prove' he is smarter than the other guy.  there's no early-stage passion driving it and making snap decisions and they don't get that being negative and not reaching consensus on decisions hurts them both and seem oblivious to the wider market (they don't seem to feel any urgency of competition). just what it looks like.  I agree to we don't want this for Dash, I hope Evan stays on long term and voices what he thinks is best even with the voting system because founders are always a lot better than people who join later (founders are the entrepreneurs not the employees right).

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

Interesting debate going on about blocksize, scaling problems and what Satoshi thought about it,
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3f26b7/thank_you_mike_hearn_for_sticking_up_for_us_this/

This just beautifully illustrates toknormal's point on how programmers aren't economists. In German there's a term for people who attempt to be experts beyond their own actual area of expertise and rightfully fail at such. It's "Fachidiot" and literally translates to "subject idiot", meaning you're so focussed on your own subject that you fail to apply it in a meaningful way beyond that scope unable to crossover to other fields.
Maxwell sure is a Fachidiot.

shockingly bad to think these 2 are so clueless to argue and show a rift like that in public when they are on the same team, and scary to think decisions in a $4 billion project are influenced by a couple of coders with no clue how your average investor or finance person would run-a-mile reading that. We can only hope for Bitcoin that someone with some $ brings in some adult supervision ASAP and makes some actual decisions.  

Bring on projects with decentralized governance led by mature and professional developers who also understand how the commercial world works....

It's good that they are passionate, but yes, such arguments should be private, or at least then, semi private with the main players "board of directors" type of thing. If it had to then go to the general user base, it should be hashed out enough to state the two sides of the argument - professionally - and get consensus from the user base.  The thing is, none of those guys trust the user base.  So no wonder they don't seem to like the way we function here.  Not that I would always have open polls in the future, it's already become difficult to get input from non malevolent people, but Evan solicits ideas, and listens to everyone's input.  These guys are very head strong.  So sure what they say is right, and only interested in winning an argument, not exploring options.

yes I agree Tante.   my first impression from reading their argument is like Bitcoin has been around for a few years and these guys have become settled and are just arguing like every backroom coder in any corporation trying to 'prove' he is smarter than the other guy.  there's no early-stage passion driving it and making snap decisions and they don't get that being negative and not reaching consensus on decisions hurts them both and seem oblivious to the wider market (they don't seem to feel any urgency of competition). just what it looks like.  I agree to we don't want this for Dash, I hope Evan stays on long term and voices what he thinks is best even with the voting system because founders are always a lot better than people who join later (founders are the entrepreneurs not the employees right).

Another good article on the subject:

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/23/bitcoins-war-could-threaten-its-survival.html

Me having some Twitter fun:

https://twitter.com/taoofsatoshi/status/626543562612699137

[TanteStefana2]

yes I agree Tante.   my first impression from reading their argument is like Bitcoin has been around for a few years and these guys have become settled and are just arguing like every backroom coder in any corporation trying to 'prove' he is smarter than the other guy.  there's no early-stage passion driving it and making snap decisions and they don't get that being negative and not reaching consensus on decisions hurts them both and seem oblivious to the wider market (they don't seem to feel any urgency of competition). just what it looks like.  I agree to we don't want this for Dash, I hope Evan stays on long term and voices what he thinks is best even with the voting system because founders are always a lot better than people who join later (founders are the entrepreneurs not the employees right).

Yes, hopefully Dash will eventually be pretty much set, where it is automatically scalable and any other functions can be added on via the proposal system.  Luckily, Evan is a known person (or unluckily for him, LOL)  We can always find him and get him to help direct the coin if needed.  He may eventually want to do other things, start other projects, but he's a thoughtful and known person that can always be reached for guidance when needed

[blobafett2]

yes I agree Tante.   my first impression from reading their argument is like Bitcoin has been around for a few years and these guys have become settled and are just arguing like every backroom coder in any corporation trying to 'prove' he is smarter than the other guy.  there's no early-stage passion driving it and making snap decisions and they don't get that being negative and not reaching consensus on decisions hurts them both and seem oblivious to the wider market (they don't seem to feel any urgency of competition). just what it looks like.  I agree to we don't want this for Dash, I hope Evan stays on long term and voices what he thinks is best even with the voting system because founders are always a lot better than people who join later (founders are the entrepreneurs not the employees right).

Yes, hopefully Dash will eventually be pretty much set, where it is automatically scalable and any other functions can be added on via the proposal system.  Luckily, Evan is a known person (or unluckily for him, LOL)  We can always find him and get him to help direct the coin if needed.  He may eventually want to do other things, start other projects, but he's a thoughtful and known person that can always be reached for guidance when needed

yes i'm sure he will.  secret to leadership is delegation anyway and Evan is doing everything right it seems to found the project and create a path to letting it grow through the later stages itself and depend less on his involvement which is what every founder should do.  Seems like Bitcoin left this out of the plan.  I hope Dash gets on with adoption soon, adding lots of services and ways to pay with Dash and buy Dash with fiat for the average user (on their mobile...), and all of that should be wired with instant transactions and they should be dirt cheap to do (the default even).  Looking at Dashtalk, you have to click 2 pages away from the homepage to even find merchants and can't see any easy way for merchants to learn how to integrate Dash - this should be on the homepage and need to get Dash out there.  I get Dash is still early stage but it might need to grow up quick if Bitcoin isn't going to start winning on mass adoption because the wider market is going for mobile payments like Apple pay etc and all cryptos are competing with that now, i'm in Dash because I think it's the project that can achieve this, and i feel less like that about Bitcoin after reading the devs argue.  it will be interesting anyway

[TanteStefana2]

yes I agree Tante.   my first impression from reading their argument is like Bitcoin has been around for a few years and these guys have become settled and are just arguing like every backroom coder in any corporation trying to 'prove' he is smarter than the other guy.  there's no early-stage passion driving it and making snap decisions and they don't get that being negative and not reaching consensus on decisions hurts them both and seem oblivious to the wider market (they don't seem to feel any urgency of competition). just what it looks like.  I agree to we don't want this for Dash, I hope Evan stays on long term and voices what he thinks is best even with the voting system because founders are always a lot better than people who join later (founders are the entrepreneurs not the employees right).

Yes, hopefully Dash will eventually be pretty much set, where it is automatically scalable and any other functions can be added on via the proposal system.  Luckily, Evan is a known person (or unluckily for him, LOL)  We can always find him and get him to help direct the coin if needed.  He may eventually want to do other things, start other projects, but he's a thoughtful and known person that can always be reached for guidance when needed

yes i'm sure he will.  secret to leadership is delegation anyway and Evan is doing everything right it seems to found the project and create a path to letting it grow through the later stages itself and depend less on his involvement which is what every founder should do.  Seems like Bitcoin left this out of the plan.  I hope Dash gets on with adoption soon, adding lots of services and ways to pay with Dash and buy Dash with fiat for the average user, and all of that should be wired with instant transactions and they should be dirt cheap to do (the default even).  Looking at Dashtalk, you have to click 2 pages away from the homepage to even find merchants and can't see any easy way for merchants to learn how to integrate Dash - this should be on the homepage and need to get Dash out there.  I get Dash is still early stage but it might need to grow up quick if Bitcoin isn't going to start winning on mass adoption because the wider market is going for mobile payments like Apple pay etc and all cryptos are competing with that now, i'm in Dash because I think it's the project that can achieve this, and i feel less like that about Bitcoin after reading the devs argue.  it will be interesting anyway

I know at least one person who is waiting for the proposal system to launch an amazing sounding campaign.  I'm sure there are others, but it's all hush hush until v12 is stabilized and running  We will also have our first professional video out which will be launched as part of the "roll out" campaign with a press release.  September / October will be very exciting for Dash!  Beware everyone!

And if marketing funds can be put to use by that point, it could be even bigger.  Even if it takes until January 2016 to begin a long term marketing plan, nobody else will be able to touch what we'll be able to do.  We can actually start reaching out to the average person!  I'm sorry to sound insubordinate, but we will quickly overcome Bitcoin, we'll be better known, and more functional and begin actually servicing people's needs (not just a place to "invest") And there will be no looking back.  Why?  Because we have funding from the blockchain which will fund marketing like no other project before.