[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[bigrcanada1]

1) Argument by Gibberish - another example of fallacious reasoning.

2) Circumstantial Ad Hominem

Tok...you are now DASH's Official king of fallacious reasoning.  Zero evidence of propositions made, mountains of technical jargon and babble talk in attempts to make your points seem legitimate.

Argument by Gibberish combined with Propositional Fallacies for the win!  

   

[qwizzie]

I dismiss you premise in its entirety.

Please provide evidence...yet again.  Your question to me can in no way be construed as evidence of you claims.  Its irrelevant...

For transparency, are you a masternode owner?

You are not the only one dismissing toknormal premise in its entirety, there is just too much baseless assumptions with toknormal and too much presenting those baseless assumptions as facts.

With regards to your last question, he is indeed a masternode owner (he admitted that publicly before in here), which makes his crusade against masternodes and its owners all the more weird to observe. Everytime he was attacking them, he was basically attacking himself. It would have been funny, if it was not so very twisted.

I only found out that he is actually a masternode owner, after he posted a wish to hard fork Dash and a Dash community member on another forum posted he should just vote with his node. At that point toknormal was already heavily involved in attacks on the Dash masternodes model, so it hit me as hippocrite.I confronted toknormal about it and he confirmed that he is indeed a masternode owner. He also confirmed when i later asked about it, that he actually did not vote on the blockreward allocation change decision proposal, as he lost access to voting through Dash Central. He was aware he could have voted manually, but he choose not to. So here we have toknormal constantly attacking the Dash masternodes model and the blockreward allocation change all these months, yet he did not even took the effort to vote on it.

I too think he has an agenda, i think he wants to find support here to hard fork Dash into a more miner-focused coin. That is the only explanation i can think of why a masternode owner like him, is so focused on trying to discredit Dash masternodes model on a daily basis for all these months.

I think when he noticed that Dash price was in recovery, he decided to change his tactics and adjusted his market theory, so it would not clash as much with his former baseless claim that the Dash price was in a death spiral.

I don't think that change in tactics, will change the view people already have of toknormal, specially the view of those people that have been reading this Dash ANN forum for awhile now. A perfect case of too little too late.

[Alexey45]

Blah blah blah, one chatter. Themselves are not tired of cracking tongues?   
When will we get rich? IT'S TIME!!!
LTC has already become more expensive. It's time for the DASH team to do something!
DASH Give me some signs of life. Or the end, scam?

[dafdaf]

LTC has already become more expensive.

What's the point of comparing prices per coin, Einstein?

[birdonthewire]

LTC has already become more expensive.

What's the point of comparing prices per coin, Einstein?

The proportional cap that it generates, Einstein. Or do you think that the 30th place came from a lottery?

Although you may think that the institutional money that reaches crypto - and that DASH needs more than anyone else - chooses to put its capital after the 500th place in the ranking, of course ...

[toknormal]

which makes his crusade against masternodes the narrative and its owners all the more weird to observe

Defending masternodes against the destruction of their capital.

[birdonthewire]

which makes his crusade against masternodes the narrative and its owners all the more weird to observe

Defending masternodes against the destruction of their capital.

Understood your pro-mining stance, ok.
However :
Are miners TECHNICALLY avoidable with ChainLocks? With the necessary security?

An answer as close as possible to a YES or a NO, please, is appreciated.

A greeting.

[Alexey45]

LTC has already become more expensive.

What's the point of comparing prices per coin, Einstein?

Investors bring money to the TOP 10. Risky investors bring money to the TOP 20, very stupid ones-to the top 30.
DASH will drop out of the top 30, now even complete idiots will not bring money to the DASH team. Bravo! DASHSCAMCOIN

[dafdaf]

LTC has already become more expensive.

What's the point of comparing prices per coin, Einstein?

Investors bring money to the TOP 10. Risky investors bring money to the TOP 20, very stupid ones-to the top 30.
DASH will drop out of the top 30, now even complete idiots will not bring money to the DASH team. Bravo! DASHSCAMCOIN

If investors give any value to price per coin comparisons, well, yes, you might be right, the whole crypto market is probably controlled by simpletons like you. Congrats, Niels Bohr! Your genius will make you rich very soon!

[Dahaa]

Dash command a) dumbass b) scammers c) losers Which option is correct? Meanwhile eth 500 $

[Kavelj22]

Blah blah blah, one chatter. Themselves are not tired of cracking tongues?   
When will we get rich? IT'S TIME!!!
LTC has already become more expensive. It's time for the DASH team to do something!
DASH Give me some signs of life. Or the end, scam?

Actually,i am not a Dash fan. But i find it somehow inaccurate to judge the value of a coin only by its price in the market. If you invested in Dash few years ago then you should now become a millionaire after the 2017 crypto boom when the price of Dash surpassed 1$. The opposite would apply if you bought Dash at that ATH price.

I don't think that Dash is a scam or a plan to scam anybody even i have other critics over it.

[qwizzie]

New feature on AltcoinsTalks forum - you can teleport your rank from bitcointalk
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5290710.0

I just stumbled upon it. Does anyone feel tempted to make the switch, knowing they can keep their rank ?

Altcoinstalk Dash Forum
https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?board=5.0

Personally i think me and my rank are too old for switching or for teleportation  
Something for you toknormal ? A whole Dash forum to imprint your market beliefs on, the possibilities for conversion are endless. Talking about untapped potential....

[lukikato]

dash and ltc prices are currently equivalent to only a few cents different,
Will the dash price be so high?
or ltc will be shot high, yo we'll see the beginning of 2021

[AzzAz]

DASH is in the 10 of minable coins and in fact is more realistically in the top 5 of minable coins.

DASH is half POS and half POW ( to be precise: 55% POS - 45% POW ) coin, so if we talk marketcap, it is far from top 5.  But that is not the problem, problem is that it is sliding down...
For MN owners that got in long ago it is not so big problem, but user base can not sustain on MN owners only. So DASH is becoming MN owners group's coin. Furthermore, miners are weird group, who they are really?

[JollyGood]

Dash is certainly not a scam but there are some users posting in this thread claiming that was a scam when it started out and some claim to some degree it has scam-attributes because of the voting power masternode operators have with regards to the direction Dash will go down because of them playing a role in the key decision making process. Dash is no scam.

Actually,i am not a Dash fan. But i find it somehow inaccurate to judge the value of a coin only by its price in the market. If you invested in Dash few years ago then you should now become a millionaire after the 2017 crypto boom when the price of Dash surpassed 1$. The opposite would apply if you bought Dash at that ATH price.

I don't think that Dash is a scam or a plan to scam anybody even i have other critics over it.

[qwizzie]

I would not go so far as to say Dash governance model to some degree has scam attributes, due to masternode operators playing a role in the key decision making process.
I misunderstood you there, i think you were just stating what was used against Dash in the past, my mistake.

In some crypto projects the power lays with miners (Bitcoin Cash for example, just look at the latest hard fork where miners have a lot of power and directly influence the direction of that project).
With Dash the power indeed lays more in the hands of masternode operators, who vote on budget proposals and vote on decision proposals that can directly influence the direction of the Dash project.

In other crypto projects like Proof of Stake projects, the power is in the hands of those holding the coins (the more coins they hold, the more power they have), with DeFi projects the power seems to be concentrated at developer level, giving developers often centralized power over DeFi smart contracts, through their God-mode Admin keys. And i am sure there are also crypto projects where the power is concentrated in yet another way.

There are so many different proof of ..... type of projects these days. So many different ways power is concentrated in a project.

Dash is certainly not a scam but there are some users posting in this thread claiming that was a scam when it started out and to some degree it has scam-attributes because of the voting power masternode operators have with regards to the direction Dash will go down because of them playing a role in the key decision making process. Dash is no scam.

Actually,i am not a Dash fan. But i find it somehow inaccurate to judge the value of a coin only by its price in the market. If you invested in Dash few years ago then you should now become a millionaire after the 2017 crypto boom when the price of Dash surpassed 1$. The opposite would apply if you bought Dash at that ATH price.

I don't think that Dash is a scam or a plan to scam anybody even i have other critics over it.

[JollyGood]

Sorry for the confusion, I modified my post to provide clarity.

I would not go so far as to say Dash governance model to some degree has scam attributes, due to masternode operators playing a role in the key decision making process.
I misunderstood you there, i think you were just stating what was used against Dash in the past, my mistake.

In some crypto projects the power lays with miners (Bitcoin Cash for example, just look at the latest hard fork where miners have a lot of power and directly influence the direction of that project).
With Dash the power indeed lays more in the hands of masternode operators, who vote on budget proposals and vote on decision proposals that can directly influence the direction of the Dash project.

In other crypto projects like Proof of Stake projects, the power is in the hands of those holding the coins (the more coins they hold, the more power they have), with DeFi projects the power seems to be concentrated at developer level, giving developers often centralized power over DeFi smart contracts, through their God-mode Admin keys. And i am sure there are also crypto projects where the power is concentrated in yet another way.

There are so many different proof of ..... type of projects these days. So many different ways power is concentrated in a project.

[qwizzie]

Thank you, much more clear.

Sorry for the confusion, I modified my post to provide clarity.

I would not go so far as to say Dash governance model to some degree has scam attributes, due to masternode operators playing a role in the key decision making process.
I misunderstood you there, i think you were just stating what was used against Dash in the past, my mistake.

In some crypto projects the power lays with miners (Bitcoin Cash for example, just look at the latest hard fork where miners have a lot of power and directly influence the direction of that project).
With Dash the power indeed lays more in the hands of masternode operators, who vote on budget proposals and vote on decision proposals that can directly influence the direction of the Dash project.

In other crypto projects like Proof of Stake projects, the power is in the hands of those holding the coins (the more coins they hold, the more power they have), with DeFi projects the power seems to be concentrated at developer level, giving developers often centralized power over DeFi smart contracts, through their God-mode Admin keys. And i am sure there are also crypto projects where the power is concentrated in yet another way.

There are so many different proof of ..... type of projects these days. So many different ways power is concentrated in a project.

[afbitcoins]

With regards to toknormal being a masternode owner and yet being negative about the way the reward allocation is split. This is not twisted at all. It is a natural reaction to the economics it all. As he has explained many times in many different ways.

There was some comparison with litecoin in a previous post. So I'm going to go ahead and compare.

Does litecoin have instantsend transactions? No
Does litecoin have private mixing builtin? No
Does litecoin have protection of chainlocks against 51% mining attack? No
Does litecoin have a treasury to fund development work and marketing and give grants to 3rd parties who may benefit its network? No
Does litecoin have much in the way of active development? No (as far as I know)
Does litecoin have a platform for dapps? No
Does litecoin have an investment foundation so that the network can actually own gold and other assets? No
Is litecoin an innovator in the crypto space? No

Dash has all this. Dash should be killing it. But wait theres a little bit more.
Are both coins proof of work? Is Dash?

Does litecoin split rewards so miners get less than half the supply of new coins and more than that is airdropped to set of wealthy owners?

There lies the difference. As far as my judgement goes dash overpays its service layer. The service layer is great. But just not worth almost 50% of the entire supply to pay for it. Most masternode owners are in utter denial of this. At this time Dash is leading the way in showing that masternode coins are not a winner. As far as I know there isnt yet a masternode coin which restrains the masternode reward. All succumb to the temptation of rewarding too much free coins to the masternodes.

Toknormal is bullish dash, despite his belief that the direction is wrong with regards to rewarding the miners, he is staying with it, still invested. This is someone who likes dash and still believes in it. But wishes to influence the thinking behind the reward split. What would his vote have achieved if he had voted anyway? Perhaps influencing the community carries more weight than that vote would have done.

All those first points that Dash has in its favour they are great. Dash could be great.

[xkcdd]

Does litecoin have instantsend transactions? No
Does litecoin have private mixing builtin? No
Does litecoin have protection of chainlocks against 51% mining attack? No
Does litecoin have a treasury to fund development work and marketing and give grants to 3rd parties who may benefit its network? No
Does litecoin have much in the way of active development? No (as far as I know)
Does litecoin have a platform for dapps? No
Does litecoin have an investment foundation so that the network can actually own gold and other assets? No
Is litecoin an innovator in the crypto space? No

Dash has all this. Dash should be killing it. But wait theres a little bit more.
Are both coins proof of work? Is Dash?

Does litecoin split rewards so miners get less than half the supply of new coins and more than that is airdropped to set of wealthy owners?

This is a false dichotomy.  You wilfully neglect the important differences and mark down only the inconsequential differences.

Does litecoin have its own investment in Silbert's DCG?  Yes.  https://twitter.com/Grayscale/status/1329903523702648832
Is the inflation rate (S2F) in LTC lower than DASH?  Yes.   https://www.litecoinblockhalf.com/
Does Litecoin have better brand recognition in the sector than DASH.  Yes.
Does litecoin have derivatives, eg on BitMex etc.  Yes.


These four key differences ensure that Litecoin gets investment capital while DASH is left out in the cold.  I would say the primary one is being part of DCG's investment.  I note also that ETC, a coin that is 51% attacked frequently and offers zero value otherwise is also part of the trust and performs well in the market.  Do not underestimate the power of DCG's blessing has, they own over 2% of all the Bitcoin supply in the GBTC trust.  DASH should be so lucky.  Our flows of institutional money are severely restricted by not being part of the 'in' crowd.