[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[toknormal]

My suggestion is to unite them both, let there be only one !

There's no "mixed message". I have an investment in Dash and my motivation is self-preservation and the health of the network in equal measure.

There's no fun in promoting something that you can see has a gaping great economic hole in it. Worse, the market sees it as well. The only people that don't see it are a very small number of holders with more voting power than sense plus one gatekeeping foot soldier on the [ANN Dash] thread.

[qwizzie]

plus one gatekeeping foot soldier on the [ANN Dash] thread.

You are talking about Dahaa aren't you ? Sorry, but we really do need a foot soldier here to keep the gate open and help us bump stuff.
And Dahaa is doing a really good job !!

[Dahaa]

O great qwizzie, tell me, please, where will the “best” coin grow in the near future? I've been watching you for 3 years and from time to time you predict great growth

plus one gatekeeping foot soldier on the [ANN Dash] thread.

You are talking about Dahaa aren't you ? Sorry, but we really do need a foot soldier here to keep the gate open and help us bump stuff.
And Dahaa is doing a really good job !!

[qwizzie]

Good Lord, that was a fast and timely bump of Dahaa.

I am starting to wonder if you may have three personalities, toknormal.
You have not, right ? Not a little masochistic Russian one deep inside you ?

Edit : i should probably give you more credit then that, so forget i asked. Dahaa is just .. Dahaa. 

[Dahaa]

Answer my question How much will we grow in the same way? You love to make beautiful predictions! It's not funny anymore!

Good Lord, that was a fast and timely bump of Dahaa.

I am starting to wonder if you may have three personalities, toknormal.
You have not, right ? Not a little masochistic Russian one deep inside you ?

Edit : i should probably give you more credit then that, so forget i asked. Dahaa is just .. Dahaa. 

[Dahaa]

Congratulations everyone new bottom is broken dash / btc 0.0052 So soon we will start adding zeros

[qwizzie]

Looks like Bitcoin has flipped (or is about to flip) $13,000 to support and is going towards $14,000  
Expect increased price volatility among Altcoins, when that happens.

Looks like Bitcoin has been making its move after all, these last few days

1 Bitcoin = $13,400

Lets see if it reaches $14,000

Link : https://cryptowat.ch/charts/BINANCE:BTC-USDT?period=1d

[qwizzie]

Did you vote on it ? On the decision proposal itself ? I know you gave feedback, but did you vote on it ?

No. I haven't voted on anything since I lost my ability to do so on Dashcentral, though I could of course have made more effort by doing it manually.

I am curious, were you known as 'dashed' on Dash Central ?

[toknormal]

I am curious, were you known as 'dashed' on Dash Central ?

No. "Roger".

[qwizzie]

I am curious, were you known as 'dashed' on Dash Central ?

No. "Roger".

That is a relief to hear. So how did you loose your ability to vote on Dash Central ?
Was it due to the switch to deterministic masternodes ? Or something else ?

[toknormal]

I dunno. Every time I tried to vote it threw me an error. I mailed (#forgotHisNameThatRunsDashwhale) about it a couple of years back and I think he might have tried something but it didn't work. I did vote on a couple of things though - used the native client, but when it upgraded substantially I needed to do a bit of reconfig and didn't get round to it. (Plus I felt that the proposals were becoming less significant other than the core ones that generally passed anyway).

[qwizzie]

I dunno. Every time I tried to vote it threw me an error. I mailed (#forgotHisNameThatRunsDashwhale) about it a couple of years back and I think he might have tried something but it didn't work. I did vote on a couple of things though - used the native client, but when it upgraded substantially I needed to do a bit of reconfig and didn't get round to it. (Plus I felt that the proposals were becoming less significant other that the core ones that generally passed anyway).

Rango is the one that runs Dash Central. We normally place a shout to rango in the shoutbox of Dash Central, if we have problems with Dash Central. Sometimes they are also related to temp not being able to vote.  After we switched to deterministic masternodes a few years back and got a separate voting address, rango changed how that voting authentication works on Dash Central. A masternode priv key no longer works. I think it needs either the priv key of the new voting address or you need to verify ownership over that new voting address. He mentioned it in the account setup of Dash Central i think.

If you ever feel like voting again and have followed Dash Central latest instructions with regards to voting and still have problems with voting, then just place a shout to rango in the Dash Central shoutbox.

[toknormal]

Oh yeah, Rango, that's right. Dashcentral was dead handy for voting. A brilliant system. One of the best things that ever happened to Dash that site.

[qwizzie]

Oh yeah, Rango, that's right. Dashcentral was dead handy for voting. A brilliant system. One of the best things that ever happened to Dash that site.

This is the latest instruction for being able to vote in Dash Central, after deterministic masternodes were introduced :

3. How do i get my mastenode voting privkey?

When you registered your masternode with the deterministic masternode list, you ran the following command "protx register_prepare collateralHash collateralIndex ipAndPort ownerKeyAddr operatorPubKey votingKeyAddr operatorReward payoutAddress". The voting privkey is the private key of the value votingKeyAddr. To get the voting privkey you have to run "dumpprivkey votingKeyAddr" in the debug console of your unlocked DASH wallet. Voting privkey's start with the character X and are 52 character long.

You can find it under 'My Account' --> 'Edit Masternodes' --> 'Frequent Questions' on the Dash Central website.
I also recommend to do an ownership verification on at least 1 of your masternodes, so your receive a MNO label on Dash Central.
How to do that is also explained there.

[toknormal]

So we're headed into exchange rate territory with BTC that has not been seen since the dawn of Dash. May I suggest a remedy.

We have nearly half of all our new blocks in reserve = dry powder. They don't get used for anything other than to pay masternodes for doing nothing and the new investors in Dash never see that value because it goes straight to paying the cost of holiday cruises (metaphorically speaking of course ). Even masternodes themselves don't see that value because the cryptocurrency exchange markets simply de-capitalise us as they see fit, so nobody is winning.

We could open up that part of the supply to competitive mining and massively raise the cost base of those blocks. That in turn would raise the tradeable price on the open market and ideally arrest the catastrophic loss of capital value in the chain that we're currently seeing (which I think is unjustified under any economic terms but I can see why the market is doing it. It is trying to tell us something and maybe we should listen).

We may have to consider that we made the wrong decision last year with the protocol change and sent it in the wrong direction. Luckily Dash has a governance mechanism and wrong decisions can be reviewed after a reasonably probationary period, possibly taking a broader range of criteria into account than were considered at the time.

Don't worry about loss of nodes. BTC nodes don't have the chance to make any profit at all. They can't even make a business out of running a node. There will always be takers for a commercially competitive margin no matter what the price of Dash.



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[qwizzie]

Well, thats certainly more pics. Lets see if it helps you with expanding your cult club. Having only two members must be such a lonely feeling.

[toknormal]

Lets see if it helps you with expanding your cult club.

Indeed. I should of course join the long queue of recruits for your's.

But allow me to hold my breath for a moment more...

Having mining and masternode margins set at anything other than parity is insane IMO and will never allow Dash's capital value to rise.

We can set the Dash protocol reward ratio at whatever we like but it doesn't enable us to rig markets. If we configure our blockchain to issue one coin at one cost base and another at a totally different cost base, all the market will do is act to reconcile those two cost bases. Now ask yourself, what recourse does the market have to do that ?

Only one: the coin price.

Which means that the ENTIRE CHAIN has to be devalued to reconcile masternode margins with mining margins. That is what free markets do. It's why they exist - to eradicate uneconomic profits that benefit neither investors nor consumers nor owners. We have it in our capacity to address this - just use the protocol to reconcile the margins at the point of production. That way the market can comfortably capitalise us at any price. Not only that: we don't lose any of our utility advantage. Margin parity makes Dash monetarily scaleable.

Margin disparity makes us UNscalable (monetarily). So we crash down as soon as the two get out of sync.

Why can't you folks see this simple fact and just work with the market to make ourselves more competitive ?

[Dahaa]

For 1 eth you can buy almost 6 dashes. Look at the dash / eth diagram to see a 10x drop. dash has become useless junk, confess and don't lie to people!

[qwizzie]

Why can't you people see this simple fact and just work with the market to make ourselves more competitive ? How much pain do you need to take ?

Well that is a very nice and almost emotional ending of yet another attempt of toknormal of trying to brainwash this forum through repetition.
Lets focus on the word 'fact' for a moment, what is a fact precisely ?



Now lets focus on another word, often confused for fact but is in fact something totally different : assumption
I will try to proof my claim it is in fact totally different, by also showing the definition of the word 'assumption', so both 'fact' and 'assumption'
can be compared directly to each other and the difference becomes visible.



In the context at which toknormal misuse the word 'fact', we can assume the 1st definition of assumption is applicable (a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.)
'they made certain assumptions about the market'. That does remind me of someone  

Keep the difference between fact and assumption in mind when reading on the internet ! When someone claims something to be a fact, is that person providing solid proof / hard evidence or
is that person merely providing an assumption and present that as a fact ?

[toknormal]

Good one because grammatical indulgences is all you've got left to offer our investors.

Shame it's just this thread you can police for "wrongthink" and not the market itself. If you could I'm sure you would. I'd stick to the #pumpIsComing line if I were you.