[ANN][DASH] Dash (dash.org) | First Self-Funding Self-Governing Crypto Currency

[DaveJones]

Allocate $x every month from the budget payouts to a hack the anon tech bounty.

Awards paid out to anyone that produces verified evidence.

When fixed, start the bounty again.

If hacks take 12 months, each year the bounty could build to values that would attract the best code breakers. It should become harder to break things after fixes.

You want to build up a $1m, or even $10m, bounty over time  to make a statement over security.

In theory it should not be difficult provided money incentives are there.

Kristov Atlas identified sybil attack on the mixing parties as a possible weakness when he did his review.

Back then the count of mixing parties were 2, to increase speed. But 2 is very easy to identify the other party. So mixing parties got up to 3 to fix that. But 3 is still low and can be sybil-attacked. All one has to do is run multiple sybil-mixing-parties bots, all day long, to "catch" those mixing. The cost of doing so would be in the fees paid to do all the mixing. Now, if you have this thing running all the time, at some point you'll catch someone who is mixing alone and you can pretend to be all his other mixing partners. At that point you have verifiable evidence that at least one tx got deanonymized. Your bounty prize will easily exceed the fees paid.

Sybil attacking the mixing parties is much cheaper than sybil attacking masternodes. And this needs fixing.

Now send me the bounty

So why does everyone else say Dashcoin is sybil attack resistant when there are several examples where the security has been shown to be anything but, even by its own supporters?

This is another example of the Dash-Insta-Scam in action.

[AlexGR]

Allocate $x every month from the budget payouts to a hack the anon tech bounty.

Awards paid out to anyone that produces verified evidence.

When fixed, start the bounty again.

If hacks take 12 months, each year the bounty could build to values that would attract the best code breakers. It should become harder to break things after fixes.

You want to build up a $1m, or even $10m, bounty over time  to make a statement over security.

In theory it should not be difficult provided money incentives are there.

Kristov Atlas identified sybil attack on the mixing parties as a possible weakness when he did his review.

Back then the count of mixing parties were 2, to increase speed. But 2 is very easy to identify the other party. So mixing parties got up to 3 to fix that. But 3 is still low and can be sybil-attacked. All one has to do is run multiple sybil-mixing-parties bots, all day long, to "catch" those mixing. The cost of doing so would be in the fees paid to do all the mixing. Now, if you have this thing running all the time, at some point you'll catch someone who is mixing alone and you can pretend to be all his other mixing partners. At that point you have verifiable evidence that at least one tx got deanonymized. Your bounty prize will easily exceed the fees paid.

Sybil attacking the mixing parties is much cheaper than sybil attacking masternodes. And this needs fixing.

Now send me the bounty

So why does everyone else say Dashcoin is sybil attack resistant when there are several examples where the security has been shown to be anything but, even by its own supporters?

This is another example of the Dash-Insta-Scam in action.

Most of the sybil-resistance aspect is focused on the mixing node and not the mixing party*.

The economic disincentives (price of DASH would have to skyrocket to acquire a very large portion of the masternodes) are considered ok, plus on a functional level we have the multi-round mixing that makes the probabilities insanely low. The more "real" problems begin with efficient IP and metadata obfuscation.

In terms of sybil attacking the mix-party, that's another issue. Actually it's a different thing to approach this theoretically, and different actually pulling it off. The second requires resources and money (far less than acquiring masternodes though - although if you want to be unmasking every transaction, you must be doing so much mixing that it'll be insane in terms of tx volume - and very visible).

Plus there are techniques with which the sybil mixing party cannot be certain. If you are mixing your coins with two of your wallets, then you are occupying two mixing seats while the sybil is the third. So at that moment he doesn't know with certainty who is who. He needs to occupy 2 seats to single out the third one. And he must also do it consistently over many rounds to not lose the trail - while not being interfered with a liquidity provider, etc etc. But you play a game of chance and in the end of the day you may have some verifiable transaction that got "cracked". It's possible if you have money to pay mixing fees for 24/48/72hrs.

* Cryptonote is vulnerable too in that aspect if a lot of coins are in possession of specific entities because they can unmask the real parties that are mixing. Monero for example says that Bytecoin is unsafe for mixing for this reason - as some Bytecoin stakeholders hold a lot of coins and thus when the coins are mixed, these can identify/single out the others who are mixing. After the latest pump of Monero, I'm not sure how the ownership stakes are for Monero and if these stakes present a threat to Monero mixing as well.

[Riseman]

I suppose all these Sybil-attack arguments can be concluded that every crypto is vulnerable but some are less vulnerable than others. So which is more resistant: Dash or the M-coin?

[AlexGR]

I suppose all these Sybil-attack arguments can be concluded that every crypto is vulnerable but some are less vulnerable than others. So which is more resistant: Dash or the M-coin?

In theory cryptonote should be better unless there is some fucked up accumulation percentage. Who knows for sure.

[TaoOfSaatoshi]

...and if by some form of miracle someone does go through the expense and excruciating circumstances to actually pinpoint the sending address, after all that, Dash reverts back to Bitcoin pseudo-anonymity, which is pretty hard to crack in its own right.

After which, the coins could be re-mixed again, so you would need to do the whole process over again. Is someone willing to keep shelling out money forever just to render transactions pseudo-anonymous? I don't see the financial incentive.

[AlexGR]

After which, the coins could be re-mixed again, so you would need to do the whole process over again. Is someone willing to keep shelling out money forever just to render transactions pseudo-anoymous? I don't see the financial incentive.

It depends on the bounty

[eduffield]

I am on slack now.
Hi this is chaeplin confirming that is the real me on slack

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Welcome back!  

[bitcoinbs]

we supporting DASH

Exchange DASH directly with perfect money, okpay, payeer, advcash, epay, btc, eth

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[TanteStefana2]

I am on slack now.
Hi this is chaeplin confirming that is the real me on slack

Yaaay!  You wouldn't believe how much we missed you!!!  ::hugs::

[tcherkin]

Hello,

I am supporter of DASH since it was DARK Coin in the past.

I composed DARK Coin Anthem in 2014 which is now DASH Orchestral Anthem, maybe some of you will still remember it

Feel free to listen to it here:

https://soundcloud.com/tcherkin/darkcoin-orchestral-anthem-short-version

And a slightly longer version is here:

https://soundcloud.com/tcherkin/darkcoin-orchestral-anthem-long-version

Actually it is a live performance, but I am thinking to make a studio recording for a better sound. The orchestra consists of 90 people performing it.

I hope you will enjoy it

[bitcoinbs]

we supporting DASH

Exchange DASH directly with perfect money, okpay, payeer, advcash, epay, btc, eth

Happy trading dc-ex.com

Am I to understand that this "exchange" was only started on SEPT 1st 2016?



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yes started 1st september

[qwizzie]

Hello,

I am supporter of DASH since it was DARK Coin in the past.

I composed DARK Coin Anthem in 2014 which is now DASH Orchestral Anthem, maybe some of you will still remember it

Feel free to listen to it here:

https://soundcloud.com/tcherkin/darkcoin-orchestral-anthem-short-version

And a slightly longer version is here:

https://soundcloud.com/tcherkin/darkcoin-orchestral-anthem-long-version

Actually it is a live performance, but I am thinking to make a studio recording for a better sound. The orchestra consists of 90 people performing it.

I hope you will enjoy it

thats great, i was actually looking for this recentely and could not find it anymore. My very first post regarding Darkcoin back in 2014 was actually a reply on your post.
you could say your music got me into Darkcoin / Dash

[qwizzie]

Interesting, Poloniex influence on Dash traded volume finally deminishing ?
 

[splawik21]

BTC instant ~30$ crash.
Any news why?

[Lebubar]

I am on slack now.
Hi this is chaeplin confirming that is the real me on slack

Happy to see you around again Welcome back.

[toknormal]

BTC instant ~30$ crash.
Any news why?

Hillary fainting ?

or...

most probable explanation: a coordinated chinese attack to trigger stop-loss-margin-calls.

[Otoh]

BTC instant ~30$ crash.
Any news why?

No idea, but it paid for lunch I found when I got back (3 times over)

Date and time             IP address        Action
2016-09-11 19:53:55   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150462141, amount: 50 BTC, price: 605.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:45:22   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150459828, amount: 50 BTC, price: 605.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:43:27   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150459374, amount: 37 BTC, price: 605.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:43:07   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150459006, amount: 37.00000000 BTC, price: 600.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:41:59   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150459006, amount: 37 BTC, price: 600.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:17:11   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150451401, amount: 37 BTC, price: 623.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:15:45   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150450681, amount: 37.00000000 BTC, price: 625.63 USD)
2016-09-11 19:14:42   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150450681, amount: 37 BTC, price: 625.63 USD)
2016-09-11 19:11:30   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-11 08:36:41   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150371961, amount: 2.01219137 BTC, price: 621.90 USD)
2016-09-11 08:35:26   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150316664, amount: 2.01219137 BTC, price: 622.00 USD)
2016-09-11 08:32:35   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
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2016-09-10 23:34:08   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150316664, amount: 49.76481244 BTC, price: 622.00 USD)
2016-09-10 23:33:16   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150243747, amount: 49.76481244 BTC, price: 623.80 USD)
2016-09-10 13:06:27   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150243747, amount: 50 BTC, price: 623.80 USD)
2016-09-10 11:38:30   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-10 11:17:22   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150230291, amount: 20 BTC, price: 623.10 USD)
2016-09-10 11:15:54   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 149877166, amount: 10.00000000 BTC, price: 627.99 USD)
2016-09-10 11:15:35   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 149877207, amount: 10.00000000 BTC, price: 628.99 USD)
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2016-09-08 14:30:52   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149877207, amount: 10 BTC, price: 628.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:30:31   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149877166, amount: 10 BTC, price: 627.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:30:01   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149877119, amount: 10 BTC, price: 626.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:18:37   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149875860, amount: 10 BTC, price: 625.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:18:02   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149875781, amount: 10 BTC, price: 624.99 USD)
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[bigrcanada1]

BTC instant ~30$ crash.
Any news why?

No idea, but it paid for lunch I found when I got back (3 times over)

Date and time             IP address        Action
2016-09-11 19:53:55   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150462141, amount: 50 BTC, price: 605.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:45:22   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150459828, amount: 50 BTC, price: 605.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:43:27   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150459374, amount: 37 BTC, price: 605.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:43:07   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150459006, amount: 37.00000000 BTC, price: 600.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:41:59   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit buy order (id: 150459006, amount: 37 BTC, price: 600.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:17:11   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150451401, amount: 37 BTC, price: 623.00 USD)
2016-09-11 19:15:45   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150450681, amount: 37.00000000 BTC, price: 625.63 USD)
2016-09-11 19:14:42   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150450681, amount: 37 BTC, price: 625.63 USD)
2016-09-11 19:11:30   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-11 08:36:41   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150371961, amount: 2.01219137 BTC, price: 621.90 USD)
2016-09-11 08:35:26   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150316664, amount: 2.01219137 BTC, price: 622.00 USD)
2016-09-11 08:32:35   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-11 08:31:11   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-10 23:34:08   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150316664, amount: 49.76481244 BTC, price: 622.00 USD)
2016-09-10 23:33:16   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 150243747, amount: 49.76481244 BTC, price: 623.80 USD)
2016-09-10 13:06:27   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150243747, amount: 50 BTC, price: 623.80 USD)
2016-09-10 11:38:30   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-10 11:17:22   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 150230291, amount: 20 BTC, price: 623.10 USD)
2016-09-10 11:15:54   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 149877166, amount: 10.00000000 BTC, price: 627.99 USD)
2016-09-10 11:15:35   88.81.143.xxx   Canceled order (id: 149877207, amount: 10.00000000 BTC, price: 628.99 USD)
2016-09-10 11:15:01   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-09 19:55:18   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-09 06:56:45   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication
2016-09-08 14:30:52   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149877207, amount: 10 BTC, price: 628.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:30:31   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149877166, amount: 10 BTC, price: 627.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:30:01   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149877119, amount: 10 BTC, price: 626.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:18:37   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149875860, amount: 10 BTC, price: 625.99 USD)
2016-09-08 14:18:02   88.81.143.xxx   Opened limit sell order (id: 149875781, amount: 10 BTC, price: 624.99 USD)
2016-09-08 10:52:12   88.81.143.xxx   Logged in using two-factor authentication

Nice tab bro!!!! Which Mersault did you have with dinner?

[110110101]

Hello,

I am supporter of DASH since it was DARK Coin in the past.

I composed DARK Coin Anthem in 2014 which is now DASH Orchestral Anthem, maybe some of you will still remember it

Feel free to listen to it here:

https://soundcloud.com/tcherkin/darkcoin-orchestral-anthem-short-version

And a slightly longer version is here:

https://soundcloud.com/tcherkin/darkcoin-orchestral-anthem-long-version

Actually it is a live performance, but I am thinking to make a studio recording for a better sound. The orchestra consists of 90 people performing it.

I hope you will enjoy it

Just listened to the long version a few times, sounded great! Would be nice to have a even longer piece!