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[sin242]

Gotta disagree..   I like the Fisker Karma's solution much better....   The theory that is, not the actual company.

We can already see how well that worked out...

I won't argue that Musk is a boss...

[SoapMaker]

Hey Darkcoiners,

I just updated my MN today to version 11.06
This was 6 or 8 hours ago now.
My node now shows as "unlisted" on this page.
Did I break my node or is everything ok ?



Thanks

[camosoul]

Gotta disagree..   I like the Fisker Karma's solution much better....   The theory that is, not the actual company.

We can already see how well that worked out...

I won't argue that Musk is a boss...

Recently gave away all of the company's patents, too. For free. To the world.

I don't get patents on my inventions, either. I could be a billionarie, but My Fellow Americans need the stuff I design, and they need to not be gouged with government-enforced monopolies.

[Taylor05]

Hey Darkcoiners,

I just updated my MN today to version 11.06
This was 6 or 8 hours ago now.
My node now shows as "unlisted" on this page.
Did I break my node or is everything ok ?



Thanks

I'm afraid it is not up. Not showing when I enter your IP into masternode list on my MN. You may need to send restart instructions and make sure darkcoind is actually running.

[eltito]

I think a lot of the sell pressure at the moment is due to impatience. People see other coins moving and dump because they want a piece of the action. If you make BTC on other coins, that's fine and well, but the majority of people lose. The altcoin market is worse than penny stocks.

Not off topic at all...

I'm glad to see the impatience. More DRKs for me. I don't even want a Model S and these fools are buying me one...

A model S would be a waste of money atm wouldn't it? Personally I think I'm gonna wait a few years to see if they can make the design better and get the price down. I think at the moment you're gonna be paying a lot for a little, it's a huge hassle to charge. Cool tech, just not really there yet.

My daily driver is a 2013 Leaf.  The charging thing took a little getting used to, but it's basically a non-issue at his point.  And it goes about 1/3 the distance a Model S does on a charge.  DCQC stations are popping up everywhere and I can basically go anywhere in my region (Tahoe to San Francisco) without major problems.

The Model S is much more convenient that what I drive, and will easily reach oil burner levels of convenience once Tesla's battery swap stations start coming online.

Is there a price premium for driving an EV?  Depends on a lot of things I guess.  Tax incentives, special insurance rates, special electric rates offset that, plus there are still a lot of "free" public charging stations.  Also a lot of other perks, like car pool lane access, designated parking, very low maintenance costs' etc.

[sin242]

I just don't feel full electric cars are the future.  Unless there is some radical improvement in battery/power storage tech it won't take
the #1 spot.  It would need to be some form of hybrid like a hydrogen fuel cell.


That said.. if i was commuting to work on a daily basis and it was some significant distance, I would be giving something like a Leaf a hard look
for pure commuting.  But for anything else not so much.

[toknormal]

long quote

If that quote's going to be bumped all the way through the thread it would good if my apology to Nthelight could be appended the complete picture.

[coins101]

If you have to go with something, Tesla is it, for now.

But, all energy stems from the sun, which is driven by hydrogen. Toyota is working on hydrogen power and refueling infrastructure. That's the way to go.

The only problem is, other than having to wait 30 years for the tech, Toyota make horrible looking cars.

But, back on topic, when they open pre-orders with DRK, I'll put down a deposit.

[thelonecrouton]

Bah, I want the engine out of this thing - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/trident/iceni/86795/trident-iceni-diesel-v8-sports-car-promises-over-100mpg - in my trusty L200 pickup.

Which I will then run on cheap vegetable oil.  

edit: until a nuclear option is available, obviously.

[camosoul]

I think a lot of the sell pressure at the moment is due to impatience. People see other coins moving and dump because they want a piece of the action. If you make BTC on other coins, that's fine and well, but the majority of people lose. The altcoin market is worse than penny stocks.

Not off topic at all...

I'm glad to see the impatience. More DRKs for me. I don't even want a Model S and these fools are buying me one...

A model S would be a waste of money atm wouldn't it? Personally I think I'm gonna wait a few years to see if they can make the design better and get the price down. I think at the moment you're gonna be paying a lot for a little, it's a huge hassle to charge. Cool tech, just not really there yet.

My daily driver is a 2013 Leaf.  The charging thing took a little getting used to, but it's basically a non-issue at his point.  And it goes about 1/3 the distance a Model S does on a charge.  DCQC stations are popping up everywhere and I can basically go anywhere in my region (Tahoe to San Francisco) without major problems.

The Model S is much more convenient that what I drive, and will easily reach oil burner levels of convenience once Tesla's battery swap stations start coming online.

Is there a price premium for driving an EV?  Depends on a lot of things I guess.  Tax incentives, special insurance rates, special electric rates offset that, plus there are still a lot of "free" public charging stations.  Also a lot of other perks, like car pool lane access, designated parking, very low maintenance costs' etc.

I looked at the Leaf and I just can't justify it... I'm not a city dweller. It wouldn't even get me to the Post Office and back... CHAdeMO is just plain weaksauce... IF you've got an inadequate battery, then an inadequate charging infrastructure looks like it fits... But it's really just a completely inadequate overall product... Kinda like Cloak and XC.... ;-)

To me, it's actually MORE convenient than oil-burner levels. And I'm still in love with my recently destroyed VW TDI Passat... If you must burn dinos, that's how it's done. 55MPG and makes even the most expensive exotic sports cars cry uncle while lasting an easy half million miles... Very few TDIs die of natural causes. They're murdered by idiot American 'mechanics;' as was mine... Why should I go to a gas station when the car can gas itself up while I GO DO USEFUL STUFF! People can't seem to grasp the idea of decoupling themselves from the refueling operation... I don't give a shit if it takes all night; I'm sleeping, watching TV, screwing hot chicks, designing cool gun stuff, ranting on my blog, hunting trolls... It takes me precisely zero hours, zero minutes, and zero seconds to recharge the car. I'm sure it takes at least 3 minutes to buy gas, and you had to go out of your way to get it. Gas Stations and Overpriced Convenience Stores have become such a subtle brainwash that people don't understand that it can be entirely done away with... Just like "Central Issuing Authority" and "Backing" for money...

Stupid is as stupid does. Intelligent choices follow the same thread, always...

[camosoul]

Bah, I want the engine out of this thing - http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/trident/iceni/86795/trident-iceni-diesel-v8-sports-car-promises-over-100mpg - in my trusty L200 pickup.

Which I will then run on cheap vegetable oil.  

edit: until a nuclear option is available, obviously.

I used to roll WMO in my old Chevy LUV diesel. ;-) Crank the torsion bars and find some air!

[camosoul]

If you have to go with something, Tesla is it, for now.

But, all energy stems from the sun, which is driven by hydrogen. Toyota is working on hydrogen power and refueling infrastructure. That's the way to go.

The only problem is, other than having to wait 30 years for the tech, Toyota make horrible looking cars.

But, back on topic, when they open pre-orders with DRK, I'll put down a deposit.

Combusting hydrogen and crushing it into helium and heavier elements with gravity are not even close to the same thing. "Hydrogen" is not the future because we can't have that much gravity in every car without creating a blackhole out of the little place we call Earth.

We can, however, take advantage of that giant fusion reactor in the sky that we're currently squandering in favor of cancer... We've already go it, in abundance, more than we'll ever figure out how to use. And we're squandering it. Waste not, want not...  Waste something that amazing, work like a slave for no reason and die a horrible, slow death. It's tossing more energy at us per square meter than would could ever know what to do with, and we're throwing it all away and drilling the lube out of the tectonic plates instead... Earthquakes, anyone? Duh...

Batteries are workable right now. Tesla uses 10 year old tech and it's not merely viable, it's preferable to oil. It can only get better from here...

[phzi]

If you have to go with something, Tesla is it, for now.

But, all energy stems from the sun, which is driven by hydrogen. Toyota is working on hydrogen power and refueling infrastructure. That's the way to go.

The only problem is, other than having to wait 30 years for the tech, Toyota make horrible looking cars.

But, back on topic, when they open pre-orders with DRK, I'll put down a deposit.

Combusting hydrogen and crushing it into helium and heavier elements with gravity are not even close to the same thing. "Hydrogen" is not the future because we can't have that much gravity in every car without creating a blackhole out of the little place we call Earth.

We can, however, take advantage of that giant fusion reactor in the sky that we're currently squandering in favor of cancer... It's tossing more energy at us per square meter than would could ever know what to do with, and we're throwing it all away and drilling the lube out of the tectonic plates instead... Earthquakes, anyone? Duh...

Batteries are workable right now. Tesla uses 10 year old tech and it's not merely viable, it's preferable to oil. It can only get better from here...

Gotta hop into this OT conversation quickly, with one comment about solar and vehicles:

Solar FREAKIN' Roadways!  http://www.solarroadways.com/intro.shtml

[eltito]

I think a lot of the sell pressure at the moment is due to impatience. People see other coins moving and dump because they want a piece of the action. If you make BTC on other coins, that's fine and well, but the majority of people lose. The altcoin market is worse than penny stocks.

Not off topic at all...

I'm glad to see the impatience. More DRKs for me. I don't even want a Model S and these fools are buying me one...

A model S would be a waste of money atm wouldn't it? Personally I think I'm gonna wait a few years to see if they can make the design better and get the price down. I think at the moment you're gonna be paying a lot for a little, it's a huge hassle to charge. Cool tech, just not really there yet.

My daily driver is a 2013 Leaf.  The charging thing took a little getting used to, but it's basically a non-issue at his point.  And it goes about 1/3 the distance a Model S does on a charge.  DCQC stations are popping up everywhere and I can basically go anywhere in my region (Tahoe to San Francisco) without major problems.

The Model S is much more convenient that what I drive, and will easily reach oil burner levels of convenience once Tesla's battery swap stations start coming online.

Is there a price premium for driving an EV?  Depends on a lot of things I guess.  Tax incentives, special insurance rates, special electric rates offset that, plus there are still a lot of "free" public charging stations.  Also a lot of other perks, like car pool lane access, designated parking, very low maintenance costs' etc.

I looked at the Leaf and I just can't justify it... I'm not a city dweller. It wouldn't even get me to the Post Office and back... CHAdeMO is just plain weaksauce... IF you've got an inadequate battery, then an inadequate charging infrastructure looks like it fits... But it's really just a completely inadequate overall product... Kinda like Cloak and XC.... ;-)

True enough - Model S is definitely the best choice if you can afford it.  Their battery tech and supercharger infrastructure are years ahead of any of their competition.  But price is a huge barrier to entry for the time being (they're looking to remedy that in the next few years). Ford shoehorned an EV drivetrain into the focus and it shows, the Volt is terrible inside, especially the backseat, and it still burns gas, and we won't even talk about the Mitsubishi (I don't know enough about the BMW or the Fiat to render an opinion).

The Leaf works very well for me and my wife in our current situation, but it's probably not something you would want as your only car. Tesla is definitely where it's at right now. Hopefully someday I can afford one.

[camosoul]

True enough - Model S is definitely the best choice if you can afford it.  Their battery tech and supercharger infrastructure are years ahead of any of their competition.  But price is a huge barrier to entry for the time being (they're looking to remedy that in the next few years). Ford shoehorned an EV drivetrain into the focus and it shows, the Volt is terrible inside, especially the backseat, and it still burns gas, and we won't even talk about the Mitsubishi (I don't know enough about the BMW or the Fiat to render an opinion).

The Leaf works very well for me and my wife in our current situation, but it's probably not something you would want as your only car. Tesla is definitely where it's at right now. Hopefully someday I can afford one.

This business of trying to hybridize them with two forms of energy storage, two forms of motive force... You get a much better result from just doing one or the other. If the Volt had no engine, it would have room for plenty of batteries... Such bad ideas and bad combinations of ideas. I get the feeling the entire auto industry is investing in making electric cars look bad on purpose so they can just keep doing what they're doing.

I actually don't want the Model S. What I want is SuperChargers and to put my many KWs of PV to use. But, since it's resale value is damn near 100%, I'm willing to drive it for a few years until the Model E comes out. Then I'll trade it for two of those with no money out of pocket. Some would say that the smart move, from a DRK perspective, is to just hodl until Model E and I'll have so much money I might just buy a parking lot full of Model S anyway... But I'm sick of waiting for the world to catch up with me. Been like that my whole life. It's time to live a little. I'm willing to sacrifice a certain percentage to have it now. I'm not going to live forever. And, I'm not likely to die of natural causes, given the business that I'm in coupled with the extreme perversion of contemporary government... Gotta do it while I'm still above ground.

[thunderdrum]

No compromise. Please quote me and spend 15 mins of your time explaining why this is not scamcoin.

I's ok - I'll explain it to you since you seem to have fallen foul of an extreme case of hypocracy.

::::::::::::::::: INVESTMENT ALERT (MINER-EDITION) :::::::::::::::::

I think it's important to point out that DRK is rapidly becoming one of the most viable and miner-friendly coins around.

This has been a result of the devs taking a pro-active approach to the corrosive effect that mining has had on markets in the past, with the need to get holdings offloaded within a very narrow valuation window to optimise ROI.

They did it at the coin's launch by introducing the X11 algorithm which increased mining profitability through improved efficiency, and now they're doing it again by addressing ongoing intrinsic value of mined holdings.

In addition to all that, in keeping with the libertarian and "disruptive technology" ethics of its founders, miners can now enjoy a continued revenue return on their assets WITHOUT having to compromise the equity element. This has never been possible with any other coin directly from the coin's own algorithm and gives miners 2 potential sources of income from a single crypto-currency.

Note - the non-mining revenue option is also available to holders who acquired their holding through trading, but miners have first call on it since all coins require to be mined before they are bought.

All in all, this forms an unbeatable deal for miners since they now have far more latitude in optimising their return on mining investment. The only thing that's had anything remotely similar is Proof of Stake blockchains with an interest bearing element, but then, they're not exactly "miner friendly" are they  

::::::::::::::::: END INVESTMENT ALERT (MINER-EDITION) :::::::::::::::::

...in other words, miners are top of the pecking order when it comes to this coin. It's in their hands before anyone else's and they've got more options over what to do with it then anyone else.

So please don't try to sell us sob stories about how miners are losing out. They have a wealth of coins to choose from and anyone else who wants this coin it any other coin has to buy it from a miner. As I've pointed out above, miners are EVEN in a position to receive the masternode income - so they can have their cake and eat it.

SNIIP

No time to read all that. This is still scamcoin. 20% tax is too much. Someone please explain.

 
Haha, toknormal,You can't wake up the guy who fake sleep. And you can't spread the true to the guy who don't want it.

Trol or FUD: if you come here for some "other reason", Just like your predecessor, you will be crushed by the community~ 

More cheap DRK please~ Accumulating everyday~

[SoapMaker]

Hey Darkcoiners,

I just updated my MN today to version 11.06
This was 6 or 8 hours ago now.
My node now shows as "unlisted" on this page.
Did I break my node or is everything ok ?



Thanks

I'm afraid it is not up. Not showing when I enter your IP into masternode list on my MN. You may need to send restart instructions and make sure darkcoind is actually running.

Hey,

Thanks Taylor05, first post !
I couldn't figure out where I went wrong,
finally i just stopped & restarted darkcoind.
& now I'm listed.

[Ignition75]

Mummy didn't buy me a red firetruck for my 4th birthday...

You Sir, won the official Bitcointalk award for the most annoying, stubborn and unintelligent trolls ever.
Day by day posting non-existing issues under the false "concerns" for the "people".

You are making joke out of yourself, and your trolling is very obvious.
Go back to whatever scam coin you hold.
I'm surprised that folks here still carry on discussion with you. Back to ignore.

XC Bagholder... Spent a looong time on the Polo TrollBox discrediting DRK and promoting XC with every breath he had...

[Ozziecoin]

Miners currently making losses will make funds back when coin value rises. If you don't like that then stop mining in the meantime. As miners, you join the party or go home. You do not make the rules.

[Ignition75]

wow.. i just noticed we are number 2 in the most viewed posts of the altcoin announcement thread
(https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0)

just some more posts and we can beat dogecoin with most viewed posts...
edit : okay okay .. actually a lot more posts to beat Dogecoin

views Dogecoin : 1261934
views Darkcoin : 1067747
views NXT        : 1001442

I just wanna thank all the trolls for the unintentional support they are all showing us, we all really appreciate it.

I agree the incessant and laughably transparent trolling of this thread has kept it at the top of the stack for weeks now!
I doubt even 1 newb has been swayed by the childish repeating of FUD by certain individuals.

the latest round of crying about the MN payments just shows everyone that there really is nothing even the most ardent naysayers have to throw at DRK.
talk about clutching at straws........

I mine DRK and have no problem losing 20% to MasterNodes that provide the double service of Anonymous transactions while promoting a proliferation of vital network nodes.

the funny part is it is still more profitable to mine than it is to have a MN for the cost involved

You might forget the cost of running your rigs while one MN need only 10$/month for running VPS?

$5 a month for a droplet with Digital Ocean